What were their second ones out of interest?Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (Man Utd) - 52.7%
Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool) - 49.2%
Mauricio Pochettino (Spurs) - 49.2%
I like this first year manager in their respective clubs stat
I hope we win but if we don't then I hope he goes. I would never hope for us not to win any match. But if we don't then it shows he is not good enough. Whether he is sacked or not is a different issue and is up to the owners.We stay 8th.
If you’re hoping he’s going to get the boot you are going to be disappointed.
If we don't win a PL away game it shows the manager isn't good enough? Clueless.I hope we win but if we don't then I hope he goes. I would never hope for us not to win any match. But if we don't then it shows he is not good enough. Whether he is sacked or not is a different issue and is up to the owners.
You need get over the fact he’s here a good while longer and just back the team and really hope for the best. Nothing will change if we lose tomorrow, that’s very very obvious. Pointless putting energy into wishing he was gone at this point.I hope we win but if we don't then I hope he goes. I would never hope for us not to win any match. But if we don't then it shows he is not good enough. Whether he is sacked or not is a different issue and is up to the owners.
When that team is at the bottom of the PL and has even sacked their manager. I would expect Manchester United to win these kinds of games. If your expectations are so low now that we don't expect to win against the bottom team then I guess you support the manager more than the club. I want the best for Manchester United. I am not a newbie who started supporting them after they start winning under SAF. I have been a supporter from the 60s and have supported them even in the old 2nd division under Doc as we can see the progress there. From the second week we led the 2nd division. No one wanted to play against us. Not even the teams in the first division in the Cup. Now it seems all the smaller teams want to play against us.If we don't win a PL away game it shows the manager isn't good enough? Clueless.
Sometimes wanting the best for the club long term conflicts with the best results short term. You can't just say "if Ole wins trophies I'll be the most happy" but not be prepared to give him time to grow and allow a certain amount of failure to grow.When that team is at the bottom of the PL and has even sacked their manager. I would expect Manchester United to win these kinds of games. If your expectations are so low now that we don't expect to win against the bottom team then I guess you support the manager more than the club. I want the best for Manchester United. I am not a newbie who started supporting them after they start winning under SAF. I have been a supporter from the 60s and have supported them even in the old 2nd division under Doc as we can see the progress there. From the second week we led the 2nd division. No one wanted to play against us. Not even the teams in the first division in the Cup. Now it seems all the smaller teams want to play against us.
I want us to win every game including today. If Ole wins trophies I will be most happy. Because he is a legend as a player. It doesn't mean he is the man to lead us as a manager. If he can't beat teams like Watford then he is not good enough.
It's nothing to do with 'supporting the manager rather than the club' it's just knowing football isn't as straightforward as 'x team is bottom so we should definitely win' especially when we know we haven't got the quality of players we had in the past.When that team is at the bottom of the PL and has even sacked their manager. I would expect Manchester United to win these kinds of games. If your expectations are so low now that we don't expect to win against the bottom team then I guess you support the manager more than the club. I want the best for Manchester United. I am not a newbie who started supporting them after they start winning under SAF. I have been a supporter from the 60s and have supported them even in the old 2nd division under Doc as we can see the progress there. From the second week we led the 2nd division. No one wanted to play against us. Not even the teams in the first division in the Cup. Now it seems all the smaller teams want to play against us.
I want us to win every game including today. If Ole wins trophies I will be most happy. Because he is a legend as a player. It doesn't mean he is the man to lead us as a manager. If he can't beat teams like Watford then he is not good enough.
I agree. When Fergie lost at home to York City it was proof he wasn't up to it. Like idiots, the club stuck with him and what did he ever accomplish.When that team is at the bottom of the PL and has even sacked their manager. I would expect Manchester United to win these kinds of games. If your expectations are so low now that we don't expect to win against the bottom team then I guess you support the manager more than the club. I want the best for Manchester United. I am not a newbie who started supporting them after they start winning under SAF. I have been a supporter from the 60s and have supported them even in the old 2nd division under Doc as we can see the progress there. From the second week we led the 2nd division. No one wanted to play against us. Not even the teams in the first division in the Cup. Now it seems all the smaller teams want to play against us.
I want us to win every game including today. If Ole wins trophies I will be most happy. Because he is a legend as a player. It doesn't mean he is the man to lead us as a manager. If he can't beat teams like Watford then he is not good enough.
already with escuses ..What do you mean? They should have beaten Liverpool last week. It's no easy game.
He's going nowhere.
Tell him POF. I keep trying to tell people Rashford will be better than Cristiano Ronaldo but everyone thinks I’m crazy... however I bet they said the same thing when I said Ronaldo would be great after his second season with us.I agree. When Fergie lost at home to York City it was proof he wasn't up to it. Like idiots, the club stuck with him and what did he ever accomplish.
We were in relegation form which carried over from last season and we got battered mercilessly against Everton 4-0 and turned over at home to cardiff for the final send off game.I really don’t understand some supporters wanting him out.
Ok, some of the football has been shit to watch, but we have hardly been getting battered by teams. In fact, I can’t remember one game this season where we’ve been battered. Can’t say the same under any season Jose was here.
Recently, the football has been good - really good - and a bit of polish up front and we are putting teams out of sight by HT.
For the first time in years I can see the identity of the team taking shape. I get the transfer process and I’m totally buying Ole’s vision.
Whilst I’m not 100% sure if Ole is the man to bring us league titles again, I’m behind him to rebuild and reestablish some substance, foundations and mentality back into United. I still feel his coaching squad needs some proven winners (at top level coaching, not playing) and I feel he can be tactically naive. But there’s nothing to say that won’t improve the more he manages in this league?
I didn’t expect us to be in the top 4 this season. But I now have hope. This window will tell us a lot about the boards vision too.
If you can except the club is in a rebuild period, then I’d suggest we are potentially in a great place at the moment.
Why are you bringing up last seasons heavy defeats? I didn’t mention them because we have adjusted the dressing room and shifted some of the players that didn’t want to be here.We were in relegation form which carried over from last season and we got battered mercilessly against Everton 4-0 and turned over at home to cardiff for the final send off game.
This season up until last month the form was a disgrace, it was like 5 wins in 14 or something. That's why we wanted him out the door, that's not hard to understand which is why the manager appealed to the players that they were at risk of getting him sacked.
He's now slowly turned results around on the pitch and arguably now has earned himself more time to deliver this plan that he speaks of.
The point is anyway if a manager has a plan(which every manager does btw), it should never protect them from the immediate present
Exactly this. Manchester United success through the decades is all about youth, trusting the manager, trusting the process and being ready for the long term investment and return. Those who don’t get that need to read up on the club’s history.I cannot believe so called Utd fans who do not realise that we are rebuilding after a sustained period of poor transfer windows. Teams that are successful and win the Premier League have a rough average age of 26/27 years old. Even the great "young teams" that Utd had in the Fergie era had this average age. So we had some older players (over 30) who set the culture, some players in their prime (25-30) who you could be assured of 7/10 virtually every game and then some younger players (under 25)
At the moment due to really poor long term planning by the club and even worse decisions by a series of managers, if you look at our squad right now where are the senior and prime age players who are Utd quality? They simply are not there - certainly not a strong group of 5-8 players who form the backbone of our team! I would argue our best two players right now are 22 year olds - Rashford and McT. The only player in their prime who we have whom I would definitely say is now again producing the goods week on week is de Gea.
So we have huge pressure on very young shoulders and I think Ole is doing a great job with that group. It might be difficult for some fans but we need to encourage our young lads, give Ole some time and hope that from now on the future transfer windows will be as good as last summers or better....
I brought up last season because you said you we had never been battered and couldn't say the same for Mourinho's team, even though we never did get battered under his watch and we surely didn't get outplayed and made to look like farmers playing against farmers.Why are you bringing up last seasons heavy defeats? I didn’t mention them because we have adjusted the dressing room and shifted some of the players that didn’t want to be here.
If you haven’t seen improvements this year in style and players happiness, then fair enough.
I don’t think the squad is all that, and given the injuries to Martial and Pogba, I think we are in a good place. Clearly you think we should be doing better.
It’s not just about a managers plan, it’s about a collective vision with the whole club - I think it’s the most promising we’ve had for years. Again, if you don’t see this then so be it.
Support the manager and you might enjoy Christmas lad.
We're also incredibly boring.The jury is still well put for me in Ole, these games have become consistently predictable. Watford are a terrible side and we’re making them look like a great counter attacking side.
Bull fecking shit.You can’t legislate for the quality of performances that Rashford and Lingard, among others, are putting in. The ball bouncing off their shin pads isn’t management. It’s lazy football.
Lingard is our best ‘fit’ option at #10. There’s a reason we’re in sixth-ish position and it’s got less to do with management and everything to do with the quality of players in the first team.
You can convince yourself that McTominay and Fred are good enough, too. But they’re not; not really.
Exactly what's wrong with this club
I’m right. I usually am.Bull fecking shit.
Ok. Theres something wrong with a person when they somehow have different opinions on the same matter within the space of a year. You weren't churning out these excuses last year.I’m right. I usually am.
We weren’t playing a midfield three of McTominay, Fred and Lingard last season. It’s a midfield that wouldn’t look out of place in the bottom half. A couple of bulldog mentality performances against better midfields doesn’t detract from the fact that they’re nowhere near the required standard.Ok. Theres something wrong with a person when they somehow have different opinions on the same matter within the space of a year. You weren't churning out these excuses last year.
I’m right. I usually am.
Heres an opinion of yours from just over a year ago.Who isn’t trying tonight?
I can see lots of huffing and puffing. I can’t see any movement or sign of coaching.
We're drawing at half time to one of the shittest PL sides ever and have probably been the worse team.You can’t legislate for the quality of performances that Rashford and Lingard, among others, are putting in. The ball bouncing off their shin pads isn’t management. It’s lazy football.
Lingard is our best ‘fit’ option at #10. There’s a reason we’re in sixth-ish position and it’s got less to do with management and everything to do with the quality of players in the first team.
You can convince yourself that McTominay and Fred are good enough, too. But they’re not; not really.
So even though lingard has been shit for the last two years or so you can’t plan for him being shit? Makes sense. Look at the tactics, outside of putting Messi as our 10 and hoping for a moment of magic, we won’t be successful because we have zero movement. Everything we do is too predictable. We may not have the quality of City or Liverpool but the truth is Ole’s tactics do anything to help the players.You can’t legislate for the quality of performances that Rashford and Lingard, among others, are putting in. The ball bouncing off their shin pads isn’t management. It’s lazy football.
Lingard is our best ‘fit’ option at #10. There’s a reason we’re in sixth-ish position and it’s got less to do with management and everything to do with the quality of players in the first team.
You can convince yourself that McTominay and Fred are good enough, too. But they’re not; not really.
I was right then, yes.Heres an opinion of yours from just over a year ago.
I imagine now you see coaching and movement?
Wasnt there a common opinion on here that one or two poor performing players and its on them, multiple poor performing players and its on the coach?I was right then, yes.
I’m not seeing a great deal of movement today, no. I’m not really seeing work rate either. We’ve been shite. Some of the players look pissed. What’s your point?
Because my point is that a coach can’t really legislate for the quality of performances that Rashford, Lingard and McTominay are putting in during that half. They’ve been pathetic.
I guess Ole is at fault for De Gea, too?Wasnt there a common opinion on here that one or two poor performing players and its on them, multiple poor performing players and its on the coach?
Sickening.
