Erling Haaland / signs for Dortmund

[Johan07]

Why? Who even came up with 80 million? Why 80 million and not 40 million or 100 million?

It was quoted in one of the posts I replied to.
My point was that it does not matter what the transfer fee is.
If its high; wages and agents fees will be lower, if he actually has a release clause (doubt it myself but it would not be the first time for Salzburg, look at Liverpools new recruit); wages and agent fees will skyrocket.
Transfer fees are overrated, clubs have advanced algorithms that they use when they calculate the total worth of a player.
Then its basically an auction between the interested parties where the interest sets the total value.
After that its mostly just allocation of the money = in which pockets it ends up.
Its basic market economics.
People make way too much of transfer fees on here.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Complete lottery whether this lad can immediately come in and do a job, and given his age and the league he's come from, I suggest he's not. You might be right that we need a player but he's not it if we need cover.

If not him, we should be looking at Soumare at Lille. He’s exactly what we need

 

[Nick7]

Complete lottery whether this lad can immediately come in and do a job, and given his age and the league he's come from, I suggest he's not. You might be right that we need a player but he's not it if we need cover.

So turn down the chance to sign a player that’s scored 28 goals so far this season? Who should we be getting in instead?

 

[roonster09]

It was quoted in one of the posts I replied to.
My point was that it does not matter what the transfer fee is.
If its high; wages and agents fees will be lower, if he actually has a release clause (doubt it myself but it would not be the first time for Salzburg, look at Liverpools new recruit); wages and agent fees will skyrocket.
Transfer fees are overrated, clubs have advanced algorithms that they use when they calculate the total worth of a player.
Then its basically an auction between the interested parties where the interest sets the total value.
After that its mostly just allocation of the money = in which pockets it ends up.
Its basic market economics.
People make way too much of transfer fees on here.

We don't know any of that, no one knows how much his agent wants, what his wage demands are. You just set one number and assumed that fee minus transfer fee is what his agent and player will get.

If that's the case, Dortmund would have dropped from this deal long back.

 

[Lash]

We don't know any of that, no one knows how much his agent wants, what his wage demands are. You just set one number and assumed that fee minus transfer fee is what his agent and player will get.

If that's the case, Dortmund would have dropped from this deal long back.

This is what I don't get about people claiming he's going to be astronomical. Where have Dortmund ever splashed that sort of money around on a player. It's not their MO.

 

[roonster09]

This is what I don't get about people claiming he's going to be astronomical. Where have Dortmund ever splashed that sort of money around on a player. It's not their MO.

Exactly. Some random paper came up with 60-80 million number, now people are trying to fit everything around that.

 

[lsd]

So turn down the chance to sign a player that’s scored 28 goals so far this season? Who should we be getting in instead?

A proven striker and not someone playing in the Austrian league

 

[VP89]

A proven striker and not someone playing in the Austrian league

Name a proven striker who would fit Ole's system and is available?

Besides, it's not like Haaland hasn't showcased his abilities well in the Champions League

 

[Johan07]

We don't know any of that, no one knows how much his agent wants, what his wage demands are. You just set one number and assumed that fee minus transfer fee is what his agent and player will get.

If that's the case, Dortmund would have dropped from this deal long back.

Thats not what I said at all. The opposite actually.
'I made an example based on another posters transfer fee quote, to explain why that it does not matter for a club that buys Haaland where the money it will commit to ends up/is allocated. Thus arguing why transfer fees are overrated.
I dont understand the point you are trying to make though tbf.

 

[roonster09]

Thats not what I said at all. The opposite actually.
'I made an example based on another posters transfer fee quote, to explain why that it does not matter for a club that buys Haaland where the money it will commit to ends up/is allocated. Thus arguing why transfer fees are overrated.
I dont understand the point you are trying to make though tbf.

No, you just made assumption that in the end club will end up paying 80 million in one way or the other.

Highest agent fee paid by clubs was by Liverpool and that was 32 million in total for numerous transfers and contract extension but somehow you came up with how Haaland agent will be paid so much that we will end up paying 80 million.

Before you give Pogba example, that was different case. Pogba and his agent had 25% share in his transfer fee

 

[Nick7]

If not him, we should be looking at Soumare at Lille. He’s exactly what we need

He’s a midfielder, no?

A proven striker and not someone playing in the Austrian league

Name one.

 

[432JuanMata]

A proven striker and not someone playing in the Austrian league

He scored 8 goals in 6 CL games including 3 against Napoli and a goal at Anfield. We be insane to not try get him. Martial is 24 we should go for someone his age and he is showing he is a top future talent

 

[Tom Cato]

For the umpteenth time in this thread.

Haaland has a release clause of £20 million in his contract. Several clubs have put in a bid for this amount. Including Manchester United.

Haaland is NOT valued for his goalscoring in Austria - Haaland is valued for his at times dominant performances in Champions League over 6 games. His contributions in the Austrian League are certainly weighted, but they are second to Champion League by a wide margin.

The Champions League games have such a high impact value because he's broken scoring records for a tournament debutant AND his age group.

Haaland is a WILD talent that i available for a sum that barely dents our transfer budget. For a club that is in trouble if Martial, Rashford or now Greenwoo gets injured to not go after such a low-risk enormou reward signing, is just impossibly bad business.

So we are in for him, bigtime.

 

[golden_blunder]

Well, its interesting that. I personally find Greenwood to be too slow (or he is not slow, but he does not have lightning pace) to play as proper RW. Inside forward or what you want to call it, OK. But his future position is at #9 IMO.
Then we have to consider what happens if we bring in Sancho? Who at least is my first choice offensively this summer.
Is there really place for both Sancho and Haaland in this squad considering what would happen to Greenwood and his minutes then?
Plus we need at least two top class midfielders this summer. Three if Pogba departs.

Easy choice. Sancho in. Martial out. Too injury prone

 

[eldanielito]

Don't know if Tuttosport is reliable but i have a feeling he will end up at Juve. Hopefully i'm wrong. If he comes here i actually think he will have an impact straight away.

 

[golden_blunder]

.....it's like getting with a girl that everyone wants to be with, only to get with her and you wonder what the fuss was all about.

And then she says actually it’s your fault because you lied to her. You told her that you have a big willy that you like to wave around but actually you don’t, you have a little one and you don’t know how to use it

 

[Inigo Montoya]

He’s a midfielder, no?


Name one.

Yes a very good one. Bags of energy, good technique. Just what we’re missing in CM

 

[AaronRedDevil]

And then she says actually it’s your fault because you lied to her. You told her that you have a big willy that you like to wave around but actually you don’t, you have a little one and you don’t know how to use it

This is bringing back bad memories for you isn't it?

 

[golden_blunder]

Yes a very good one. Bags of energy, good technique. Just what we’re missing in CM

The games I’ve seen him in; which aren’t a lot, id agree with his strengths listed above but imho he’s quite slow recycling the ball

 

[golden_blunder]

This is bringing back bad memories for you isn't it?

Shhhh

 

[Matt6677]

A lot of noise coming from Italy that he’s going to Juve.......

if that’s the case then that agent of his is pulling all the strings yet again and he’s basically just being pawned around to the club that will pay the agent the biggest fee......or he’s thrown his toys out of the pram over not getting his way with Pogba

is he going to get much game time at Juve? Also when is someone going to look at their FFP? Their wage bill must be astronomical these days.....

Oh we never get who we want!

 

[Jonno]

We are a cnuthair away from being in another attacking crisis and having to play Lingard up front - anyone turning their nose up at one the top striking prospects in Europe is mad.

And not just that, Martial and Rashford whilst showing big improvements as they get older have proven to be quite hot and cold over the years, and as such another addition could be extremely healthy for competition and an attractive alternative for certain games. Not to mention Haaland is one of the hottest young prospects in world football.

It just makes sense.

 

[Art Vandelay]

And not just that, Martial and Rashford whilst showing big improvements as they get older have proven to be quite hot and cold over the years, and as such another addition could be extremely healthy for competition and an attractive alternative for certain games. Not to mention Haaland is one of the hottest young prospects in world football.

It just makes sense.

Yeah and it's not like even at their best they are terrifying teams. We need options and improvement pretty much everywhere. If we were to start turning down signings because other areas need improved too we would end up signing no one.

 

[onetwo3oclock4oclockrock]

If he really has a 20 mill clause, I can not understand how it's possible not to support this transfer. Even if he flops massively in Utd, we could still sell him for 30 mill next year. It's such a no-brainer.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Yeah and it's not like even at their best they are terrifying teams. We need options and improvement pretty much everywhere. If we were to start turning down signings because other areas need improved too we would end up signing no one.

Sign’em all and let the football gods sort it out.

 

[SATA]

Maybe we are really getting Dybala this time while Haaland goes to Juve as a replacement. I’m calling it first, Ed is working behind the scenes since the transfer window

 

[Rocknrolla69er]

For the umpteenth time in this thread.

Haaland has a release clause of £20 million in his contract. Several clubs have put in a bid for this amount. Including Manchester United.

Haaland is NOT valued for his goalscoring in Austria - Haaland is valued for his at times dominant performances in Champions League over 6 games. His contributions in the Austrian League are certainly weighted, but they are second to Champion League by a wide margin.

The Champions League games have such a high impact value because he's broken scoring records for a tournament debutant AND his age group.

Haaland is a WILD talent that i available for a sum that barely dents our transfer budget. For a club that is in trouble if Martial, Rashford or now Greenwoo gets injured to not go after such a low-risk enormou reward signing, is just impossibly bad business.

So we are in for him, bigtime.

Totally agree wth your comments, one question though who originally stated he had a £20m release clause, I've not yet seen where this informations originated from

 

[Eriku]

Sign’em all and let the football gods sort it out.

 

[NoLogo]

If he really has a 20 mill clause, I can not understand how it's possible not to support this transfer. Even if he flops massively in Utd, we could still sell him for 30 mill next year. It's such a no-brainer.

Exactly. We have bought shitty players for way more and this guy promises to be one of the best strikers in Europe in a couple of years.

He is fast. Build like a tank. Has a great shot on him and can score with his head as well. Not buying him for this price would be madness.

 

[Berbasbullet]

He's not going for £20m. How many fecking times!!!

But that’s his release clause supposedly?

Or are you including wages/agent fees which obviously co exist with every transfer, why is that suddenly a huge deal now? We don’t talk about signing Daniel James for 15 mil + all the extras, or AWB, or Maguire.

We need another striker, we can absolutely afford him and a winger/CM/LB especially as we sold Lukaku.

 

[Santoryo]

He scored 8 goals in 6 CL games including 3 against Napoli and a goal at Anfield. We be insane to not try get him. Martial is 24 we should go for someone his age and he is showing he is a top future talent

Fred was a proven player in the CL yet he took over a year just to settle in the league. I think people underestimate how hard the transition is from a far lower league to the PL. Not to mention we're talking about a 19 year old kid.

If he's being brought for the future and he cost the supposed 20 million than fair enough but those people saying and expecting the kid to come here, get straight into the line up and set the world on fire have this whole thing wrong. That won't happen.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Exactly. We have bought shitty players for way more and this guy promises to be one of the best strikers in Europe in a couple of years.

He is fast. Build like a tank. Has a great shot on him and can score with his head as well. Not buying him for this price would be madness.

Neh we might have to pay some agent fee’s, not worth it, just like when we missed out on Hazard rightfully so....

 

[NoLogo]

Neh we might have to pay some agent fee’s, not worth it, just like when we missed out on Hazard rightfully so....

I think it's totally the players decision right now. Obviously we are very interested in him if Ole personally talks travels to Salzburg to talk to the lad. Now I think it's simply the question if him and Raiola see us as the right step in his career or if they want to take an intermediate step like Dortmund/Leipzig. And of course we have to fight off competition from Juve and pretty much every other top club in Europe as well.

 

[Berbasbullet]

I think it's totally the players decision right now. Obviously we are very interested in him if Ole personally talks travels to Salzburg to talk to the lad. Now I think it's simply the question if him and Raiola see us as the right step in his career or if they want to take an intermediate step like Dortmund/Leipzig. And of course we have to fight off competition from Juve and pretty much every other top club in Europe as well.

Is Raiola his agent? Or is it his Dad? Or both?

I do feel like if it’s Raiola then surely he ain’t coming United?

 

[Tom Cato]

Totally agree wth your comments, one question though who originally stated he had a £20m release clause, I've not yet seen where this informations originated from

I (think) it was first commented in German newpaper Bild quite a while ago. It was later (more recently) confirmed by RP Leipzigs DOF that the clause was in fact 20 million Euro, but pundits and everyone else, myself include just run with £ since its more easily relatable.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Is Raiola his agent? Or is it his Dad? Or both?

I do feel like if it’s Raiola then surely he ain’t coming United?

Raiola isn’t his dad!

 

[Berbasbullet]

Raiola isn’t his dad!

 

[sun_tzu]

Is Raiola his agent? Or is it his Dad? Or both?

I do feel like if it’s Raiola then surely he ain’t coming United?

Yes he's the agent... Allegedly looking for about £10m for arranging the transfer

A lot of money been placed on him going to juve on the last 24hours

Would be logical for juve as they know they have to replace Ronaldo and higuain over the next couple of years and I could long term see haaland with dybala behind him being a good partnership

Then again could just be raiola tarting h round everybody looking for the biggest pay off

 

[Art Vandelay]

If Raiola is his dad then he definitely won't sign for us. Roy Keane ended his career.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

If Raiola is his dad then he definitely won't sign for us. Roy Keane ended his career.

No it was Raiola who ended Keane’s career but Keane’s son Robbie carried on the legacy