Nice one @Regulus Arcturus Black . Ok, now when i think that we solved this question lets go on another; how many championship managers are better than Ole? Who is watching championship regulary here?
The “Ole In” Brigade
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Honestly don't get how people can trust Ole to be the man to lead us back to glory. His past records are not indicating any of that or anything close that he is the man for the job. So what are you basing your trust on exactly? Even if we're losing or inconsistent, I can't look back and say "Give him time, look at how he rebuilt x club" .
This is why fans are impatient with him, we don't have evidence that he has done what he says he is doing which is a rebuild. It's why he is easily tagged as clueless by some. You need a bloody good CV if any top company is going to hire you.
So what exactly are you basing your trust in Ole on? This I honestly want to know
This is why fans are impatient with him, we don't have evidence that he has done what he says he is doing which is a rebuild. It's why he is easily tagged as clueless by some. You need a bloody good CV if any top company is going to hire you.
So what exactly are you basing your trust in Ole on? This I honestly want to know
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This is where you are faulty Spanner. We need a good manager and we need better players. A manager doesn't get top 4 unless he has a proper team. And it takes a few windows to build a good team, it doesn't happen overnight.
I agree with everything you said. Ole deserves to be in place till the end of the season and then the club can evaluate. If we finish 5th or better and we are playing decent football, he should definitely stay. If 7th or worse and the football is dire, then he goes. If it's somewhere in the middle of those two scenarios then we flip a coin because there is no good answer.
If we are being logical and reasonable here the only managers I would have managing us from the current list of managers managing in PL would be Klopp and Pep and maybe Rodgers but he is also a suspect. I wouldn't touch any of the rest to manage us. The point is if we are to replace Ole then it better be someone who can take the club forward and not just sideways. This whole idea let us just sack ole even if that means hiring Mark Hughes or Moyes then No I am not for it. Our next manager should be someone who has a proven pedigree and knows how to build a squad and suits our current squad.
Poch?
Not going to happen.
Ole is the perfect fit for what the club want. A manager that will get time from the fans due to his status.
A manager who will not publicy shame the board for lack of backing.
Sacking him and hiring a decent manager will mean more problems for Ed and the board as they will be consistently asking for players and backing to build a team.
Ed and the board do not want this. they would prefer spending minimal sums and getting top 10.
I said from the current list of managers managing in PL. Poch is not managing anyone. But yes I would have him, although not his biggest fan but I can be patient with him.
Like the proven pedigrees of LVG and Mou? That went well. I'll say this again, too many of you believe we have a divine-right to be a top club. You seem to believe that Pep and Klopp and all the best managers should be begging to come here and manage. It just doesn't work like that in the real world.
I think he will be sacked after this season. The only way he remains is if we finish top 4 or win EL. Cannot see both happening. The next 4 odd months are important for Ole to show if we are actually improving or he is just as clueless as people think he is.
This is exactly why we will not be successful
How can you have a manager based on the next 6 months, you either back him or sack him.
So what happens when we do not finish top 4 or win the EL, sack him wait around hire a manager wait for him to assess the squad for 2 months and miss out on transfers.
So frustrating this.
No point sacking him for him to be replaced by another nobody. It depends on what our board is thinking and that is the real issue. I do not trust this board one bit. If they have decided they are going to sack him then they should and appoint the manager they want to take this club forward. Maybe it is Poch or someone else but I don't trust this board.
What makes you say that ? I think nobody would touch him.
No one trusts the board.
I agree 100%. Ole isn't a good manager so we need to replace him.
I just don't see him getting the sack now till the end of the season. Cannot see it happening.
5 points behind lampard in 4th isn't miles behind. You forget that this club finished 6th last season (even after a run of prolonged form that was nothing short of divine) and we then took a chainsaw to that squad in midfield and attack with no subsequent reinvestment in those areas. That we're still as close as we are despite such massive holes in the squad and the one player who could have solved many of our issues totally uncommitted to even playing a game of footy for us shows how well Ole has done.
I'd love to see what others would have achieved with such a depleted squad and little to no support from an incompetent board. Poch had Levy, Klopp has Edwards, Pep has Txiki and Ferran, who has Ole got? Everyone is losing their shit but they STILL haven't focused their attention on the real issues at the club.
I think the Haaland transfer has cemented a lot more negativity. I know Raiola is a factor but what's the point in having Ole here if he can't attract that type of player? Knows his dad and is the same nationality (presumably a big influence as one of the all time top Norwegian strikers). We were clearly in for him based on his responses.
If we're really that unappealing then it could be a huge problem the longer it persists...
If we're really that unappealing then it could be a huge problem the longer it persists...
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Man I read my post again and saw no where where I wrote anything about Sir Alex Ferguson. Did your rage blinkers kick in?
Well, I don’t have to wonder more if it is about football at all or if you just don’t like Solskjaer. When you put lot of those managers infront of Solskjaer it is not about football. Thank you for proving my point couple of days ago.
I guess that any person on this planet is better coach than Solskjaer. By looking at some posts.Nice one @Regulus Arcturus Black . Ok, now when i think that we solved this question lets go on another; how many championship managers are better than Ole? Who is watching championship regulary here?
And that large chunk of the fanbase will say they're just being realistic. There's this incredible doublethink with some fans at the moment in which they will roundly criticize the players at the club, gladly stating almost everyone at the club is a steaming pile of horse manure, and yet expect the manager to achieve with them.
Half of the youngest top 10 starting XI sides fielded in the Premier League so far this season are from United. The other teams to feature are Cheslea (twice), Arsenal, Bournemouth and Southampton. You'll notice these are some of the most inconsistent sides in the league so far. We also have a wafer thin squad that is reliant on Pogba to be our creative outlet, wortunately has been out since August. It's a risk that's backfired.
Now, clearly we should be doing better than we are doing, but to the point where we should sack him and bring in another who will just face the same issues we've had this year. Will a new manager come in and suddenly add depth to the squad while finding creativity from nowhere? Or will he do the same thing and look to add reinforcements in January? We've stripped the squad down to the bare bones and regardless of who we bring in, we are going to have to be patient while we rebuild and while the youth players develop a bit of consistency in their game. Someone other than Ole may well be better placed to do that, but a lot of the criticism pointed at him seems a little unfair to me.
There is no revisionism that was the best technical football we‘ve played. People might not appreciate that but it’s true compared to Moyes, Jose and Ole it was of a much higher standard.
Did that translate in to edge of the seat excitement for fans no, but I’d wager if he was still in charge we’d be a far better team than we currently are now.
I'd disagree.
Even if you employed Pep or Klopp, this squad of players are not going to suddenly buck the trend of the past few years and become fantastic players, they simply are not.
What I have liked about Solskjaer so far, is that he has shipped off Fellaini, Valencia, Lukaku, Darmian etc....players that either didn't want to be here or were not going to take the club forward.
I am convinced that Rojo, Matic & Jones will be shown the door soon as is feasible too, which is great news in mu opinion.
But my worry is, bringing in a new manager, he is going to want to reassess the squad himself, and these bloody awful players get yet another reprieve.
yeah but that's like saying it's better to get shit on by a bird than a dog.
Everything was worse in our second season under LvG. We got less points, we were worse in Europe, we scored less goals, we played worse football, he made worse signings, and ultimately he was dead in the water by Christmas time and never looked like turning it around. It would've been madness to give a manager who had performed worse in every aspect in his second season another season.
Saying that we'd be better now if he was still in charge makes no sense when you take all that into account, seeing as all we did under him is get worse as he progressed.
Ole is the worst manager in the EPL.
There was a thread about this (ie. who is worse than Ole) and the only name which came up was Steve Bruce. A week later, S.Bruce's Newcastle played and beat us!
I cannot believe that anybody in their right minds, who isn't a rival supporter wants Ole to stay. Utterly bizarre.
Try and find a supporter of rival club, to admit that they'd like Ole to replace the manager of the club that they support. You won't find anybody.
He was building great foundations just like Ole is! Making the teams worse is the definition of building foundations.
Also wasting money also builds foundations.
Lower expectations foundations which will make Moyes look like a genious in 2025 when we bring him back to save us from relegation
.He's the main reason we're in this mess. £300m blown when players were significantly cheaper. The guy was the Dutch team manager but thought Rojo was a better purchase than Van Dijk.
Not a Ole fan and I understand he is not the most popular here but how do one come to such a conclusion. To say he is not good enough manage Manchester United is understandable and even logical but to say he is the worst manager in PL is unfair on him considering we could be in much worse place than now if was absolutely crap. I don't think top clubs would hire him but that won't mean he is the worst manager around.
Like I said let us not go overboard with devaluing Ole the manager. For me Moyes was the worst manager to manage us and that will not change if Ole is to be sacked now.
Based on previous experiences with other managers, I’d probably agree that OGS is probably the worst in the league. At best he’d be in the bottom 3.
Arteta and Lampard are novices but Lampard got Derby to a play off final in his first season of management and Arteta has been part of Guardiolas City team.
And based on actual performances you can say the same too. We play like how a minnow might do against a big team by doing sucker punch counterattacks. You could argue that his winning run at the start was still running on Jose tactics but now that he’s got his ideas in over time (which is what people who want to stay say he should be allowed to get), we’ve actually got worse.
Lets not forget OGS has been a manager for a decade now.
Arteta and Lampard are novices but Lampard got Derby to a play off final in his first season of management and Arteta has been part of Guardiolas City team.
And based on actual performances you can say the same too. We play like how a minnow might do against a big team by doing sucker punch counterattacks. You could argue that his winning run at the start was still running on Jose tactics but now that he’s got his ideas in over time (which is what people who want to stay say he should be allowed to get), we’ve actually got worse.
Lets not forget OGS has been a manager for a decade now.
That’s how you view it though. The team for me was better in the 2nd season and that’s when you could really see what he was trying to implement. some people only see what’s 2 Cm in front of their nose and others see a much broader picture.
LVG kept going on an on about how we had to be much faster and the rhythm needed to improve but for some reason the only thing that registers with United fans is “ LVG wanted slow boring football” absolute nonsense.
Its the same as what is happening now, Ole is trying to do something and not all the parts are there but he is doing more than Jose ever did for United. Problem is some people don’t see the more intricate details which explains a lot of the nonsense that gets written in the performance thread.
Don’t necessarily disagree but it’s was that kind of board criticism that got Mou fired. Rightly or wrongly.
They want a yes man to keep things quiet and cheery.
i think it’s true what others say, until the owners change hands, I think we’re going to continue in the wilderness hoping for a 4th place finish at best.
It was not a great plan around. It improved near the end with Rashford giving us some attacking form. Although that was not part of the plan. We started barely creating chances for most of the season. Had some lucky wins with 1-0 over Liverpool, Spurs etc when they had more chances, but we fluked the wins. I think there was one half against Southampton we played some nice stuff, but that was pretty much it up to the Midjylland game. Just after Martial came we had a few good games. Although that was before he had been managed into worse form by LVGs tactical instructions.
And then he won the FA Cup. You really think we are playing better football now than under LVG? He was boring as hell in the latter part but his teams do not rolled over like the way we are getting now. We actually lost the CL spot due to goal difference. One win would have given us the CL spot. Ole is no where close to it still. He has no track record of winning anything big. Just because he sold Fellaini and Lukaku does not mean he is competent enough to coach a big club.
No and I never said that, feel free to actually read my posts.
It's not really, though. I don't see how you can argue that finishing 5th with less points and less goals means the team is better than when they finished 4th. Your hypothetical scenarios where he would somehow be doing better here despite all evidence to the contrary are irrelevant and not worth discussing.
In your post, which I responded to, you were wholeheartedly agreeing to a poster who said
Was it a stretch to assume that you were agreeing to the whole of what they said, including the LvG over SAF piece?
Sorry to break it to you, but nobody gives a rat's ass for FA cup, in 21st century, other than old-timers who are sentimental about it. It is for the teams from lower leagues and for the teams that are unable to win anything else.
As for football under LvG - yes we are playing MUCH better football now. The last game notwithstanding, every single United game this season was very intense. LvG's football was lethargic and sleep-inducing. It was the most frustrating and boring crap I have ever seen United be part of. And it was not going anywhere even if you gave him 10 years. Not to mention that the guy was retiring next year, so he would have abandoned us anyway. Not sacking LvG would have been criminal, it was so obvious. If anything they gave him way too much time due to his past glory and brilliant reputation.
Well they'd do a better job by virtue of being miles better as managers. The thing you've liked about Ole is that he's shipped off players. That says everything about his lack of ability and performance.
It’s simple if a coach was to go in and look at it they would spot the patterns and things they were trying to execute which was a higher standard of play. They were trying to do things you see all the top teams doing now. Anyone could see it still had deficiencies and needed certain elements but there was something there to work with.
You seem stuck in this idea that it’s all about the points. Anyone with half a brain saw what Liverpool are doing now coming back in 2016 as they were working on the things they do now as well as adding elements to the team to perform what Jürgen wanted. Same with City they season before they went on to smash records, you could see it coming. It’s the same way in that people could see Fred had something and now he is proving he might actually be a good player to a lot of the cafs disappointment.
like I said what we were doing in terms of building something and what the guys were doing on the pitch was a higher standard of football than what we’ve seen from Moyes, Jose and now Ole.
No I'm not, I've mentioned plenty other reasons besides points, but league position is very important.
it's funny that you use Liverpool under Klopp as an example when they've improved their results, performances, league position etc. every year under him, the exact opposite of lvG
@90 + 5min what has Solkjaer done to be put above these guys? Many of whom have proven so much more in English football?
Honestly, tell me what has Ole done better than say Eddie Howe or Steve Bruce? Or David Moyes for that matter? What has he done compared to Hodgson? or Chris Wilder?
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I don't have that double think, I think our players have proven on many occasions this season that they are better than our standing in the table.
A new top forward thinking modern manager that has been targeted by the club would absolutely look to add reinforcements in January, and he'd know exactly what kind of players to target for his system. Would he "do the same thing"? No, because a top manager is much better at his job than Ole who's been so unremarkable in his career he's spent almost a decade in Norway.
Unless of course we disregard just how important a manager is to a football club despite the likes of Fergie and Klopp proving to us that it's absolutely EVERYTHING.
Now that said, I don't think we should fire Ole now after the past 6 weeks of acceptable enough form. I think we should've done it after Watford and are now in a position again where we must wait and see what happens during January, I think we'll regret it but I think it's only right.