The “Ole In” Brigade

[amolbhatia50k]

We can change the manager but honestly, I don't expect much of an improvement, if any at all. Ole is doing about as well as he can with the tools he's been given.

That's the problem. He'd doing all that HE can with what he's been given. What he can do isn't actually enough and is miles behind our what our rival's managers can.

 

[kouroux]

He won't ever manage in the PL again once he gets sacked here.

He easily will. The PL is full of crap managers who eventually get sacked

 

[amolbhatia50k]

No he hasn't, that's absolute bollox.

He is. It's his level.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

He is. It's his level.

Oh yeah, that's true.

 

[90 + 5min]

If you asked any of the EPL fans if they'd prefer their manager or Ole. 19 would say their own manager or someone else. That alone should tell you the story.

I keep seeing this kind of attempts. And people telling he is not even top 15 managers in Premier League.
Can you tell me those 19 teams where their managers is better. Very curious. I’ve asked this question before to some fans but never got any answer.

 

[Skills]

He easily will. The PL is full of crap managers who eventually get sacked

Nobody went anywhere near him for 5 years after his disastrous spell at Cardiff. The likes of allardyce, Moyes and co get recycled at the bottom clubs because they have credible records at getting clubs out of relegation battles

 

[Gehrman]

He easily will. The PL is full of crap managers who eventually get sacked

We'll see

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Can you tell me those 19 teams where their managers is better.

The 100% givens:
Leicester, Liverpool, City, Spurs, Wolves, Sheff United, Palace, Everton, Southampton, Bournemouth.

Then you've got Arsenal & Chelsea who aren't proven to be better yet, but like feck either of them would swap.

Finally there's Newcastle & West Ham, both of their managers have done much more in English football. The others such as Norwich or Villa have a man in charge who got them promoted, Burnley just staying the league is always punching above their weight and considering the job Ole did with Cardiff I'd imagine their stick rather than twist.

So how many is that?

 

[kouroux]

Nobody went anywhere near him for 5 years after his disastrous spell at Cardiff. The likes of allardyce, Moyes and co get recycled at the bottom clubs because they have credible records at getting clubs out of relegation battles

I'm sure somebody said at the end of his tenure at Cardiff that no one in the PL was gonna hire him again and yet here we are. Having Man United on his CV, increases those odds a lot more now

 

[romufc]

The 100% givens:
Leicester, Liverpool, City, Spurs, Wolves, Sheff United, Palace, Everton, Southampton, Bournemouth.

Then you've got Arsenal & Chelsea who aren't proven to be better yet, but like feck either of them would swap.

Finally there's Newcastle & West Ham, both of their managers have done much more in English football. The others such as Norwich or Villa have a man in charge who got them promoted and considering the job Ole did with Cardiff I'd imagine their stick rather than twist.

So how many is that?

Lets be honest, Ole would not get a job in the PL. He is completely out his depth, living in a fantasy and the club are letting him.

This is Manutd, you do not go away to Arsenal put up that kind of show and laugh and smile about it after saying we played well. The attitude from the manager is disturbing.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I agree with you here, it’s still the highest quality of technical proficiency any team under the recent managers has shown. Just needed additions to it to become more potent. there was no one in midfield to drive on or that would take a chance, hence why Lingard got that role.

Needed additions? He spent £300m, and that was before the market went crazy!

The revisionism around LvG needs to stop. He was a funny guy, he used to be a good manager, but he was absolutely awful during his tenure here apart from the FA cup win.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

This is Manutd, you do not go away to Arsenal put up that kind of show and laugh and smile about it after saying we played well. The attitude from the manager is disturbing.

I think Ole does that to give the impression he's in control, that's he knows his project will have ups and downs and by smiling about it he'll convince many that he's not worried, he's got this.

He's played a blinder in my mind with a large chunk of the fanbase. As Jose says, it's a dream, keep talking about the future, get rid of players that can be seen as mercenaries, give some youth a chance and keep smiling... that's enough to make an insane amount of people completely forget about the most important thing in football.

 

[romufc]

I think Ole does that to give the impression he's in control, that's he knows his project will have ups and downs and by smiling about it he'll convince many that he's not worried, he's got this.

He's played a blinder in my mind with a large chunk of the fanbase. As Jose says, it's a dream, keep talking about the future, get rid of players that can be seen as mercenaries, give some youth a chance and keep smiling... that's enough to make an insane amount of people completely forget about the most important thing in football.

This is what I fear, and it is happening.

I believed the same last season when he said I can't wait till pre season the team will be fit playing fast attacking football.

Fast forward 8 months, the team is playing the same way it did when we went to Everton away.

The only reason the fans are beside him, is youth and this is not down to him. Greenwood is a player that would have knocked on most managers door to get first team football.

We need to stop looking at the future, what makes us fans think we will sign the correct players?

 

[el3mel]

At least LVG had an approach to football that was not from the stoneage, compared to Moyes, JM and OGS.

LVG wanted players that were technically capable and could pass the ball and attacking players with individual abilities and mobility. If we had followed his blueprint of what type of players you needed and keep possession, then we would not have been where we are now.

His approach is the only one since SAF that had any chance of being successful long term.

Passing in our own half isn't by any means a modern football. All we were doing was just passing sideways and backwards. It was terrible style of play and football. I posted this stat so many times here but it's just a summary of LVG reign at United :

 

[Gehrman]

Passing in our own half isn't by any means a modern football. All we were doing was just passing sideways and backwards. It was terrible style of play and football. I posted this stat so many times here but it's just a summary of LVG reign at United :

Absolutely shocking. It's the opposite of the united way.

 

[Andycoleno9]

I keep seeing this kind of attempts. And people telling he is not even top 15 managers in Premier League.
Can you tell me those 19 teams where their managers is better. Very curious. I’ve asked this question before to some fans but never got any answer.

The 100% givens:
Leicester, Liverpool, City, Spurs, Wolves, Sheff United, Palace, Everton, Southampton, Bournemouth.

Then you've got Arsenal & Chelsea who aren't proven to be better yet, but like feck either of them would swap.

Finally there's Newcastle & West Ham, both of their managers have done much more in English football. The others such as Norwich or Villa have a man in charge who got them promoted, Burnley just staying the league is always punching above their weight and considering the job Ole did with Cardiff I'd imagine their stick rather than twist.

So how many is that?

Nice one @Regulus Arcturus Black . Ok, now when i think that we solved this question lets go on another; how many championship managers are better than Ole? Who is watching championship regulary here?

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Honestly don't get how people can trust Ole to be the man to lead us back to glory. His past records are not indicating any of that or anything close that he is the man for the job. So what are you basing your trust on exactly? Even if we're losing or inconsistent, I can't look back and say "Give him time, look at how he rebuilt x club" .

This is why fans are impatient with him, we don't have evidence that he has done what he says he is doing which is a rebuild. It's why he is easily tagged as clueless by some. You need a bloody good CV if any top company is going to hire you.

So what exactly are you basing your trust in Ole on? This I honestly want to know

 

[gerdm07]

Right well if you seriously think that Moyes and LvG deserved more time then I don't really know what to say. It was clear long before they were sacked that neither of them were going to succeed here. We had completely capitulated under both of them and neither was going to turn things around, that's blindingly obvious to just about anyone and I'm not sure how you can possibly dispute that.

LvG had TWO years to build a fecking team, that's so much time in modern football! He spent £300m poorly, he had an awful "philosophy" that led to dire performances and results. His results were worse in his second season than his first season. He was done for.

if another top class manager comes in they should be expected to get top four in their first season and put in a title challenge the following season, or failing a title challenge, top four again with improvements in results and showing that they are improving the side and imprinting the style of football we'd like to see. if any of our previous three managers had done that, at a minimum, they'd have been here longer. Mourinho actually did do it (sort of, cause he won the Europa) but he decided to do his usual 3rd season balls-up.

This is where you are faulty Spanner. We need a good manager and we need better players. A manager doesn't get top 4 unless he has a proper team. And it takes a few windows to build a good team, it doesn't happen overnight.

It's better to give Ole the rest of the season at least. People talk like we're dangling in 12th place when we're 5th. Even though 5th shouldn't be where we aim for, it is very befitting of this current squad. Sacking Ole right now will be very reactive and they are alot of reasonable 'excuses' I can give him.

The first thing I want to ask is what your expectations are really from this current squad. First place? Fourth place? Because mine is sixth place. We're not better than City Liverpool and Leceister(yes leceister) clearly. Our squad is not better than Chelsea or Tottenham either. In hindsight it will sound ridiculous that we're not better than some of them but please take time to compare our squad to those 5 teams I mentioned and their bench and you will see what I'm talking about.

Also what kind of style of play do you honestly expect with this squad asides from counter attack majorly. We have Jesse fecking Lingard as our AM, Mcctominay and Fred as our CMs, two defensive full backs and three pacy forwards. What exactly do you expect these set of players with their abilities majorly akin to counter to produce other than majorly counter attacks

We also play more sides in the team that park the bus rather than attack. And no matter how much space an attacker creates against such teams it will hardly be exploited without a creative midfielder. Van Persie said he counted about 12 runs Rashford made against Arsenal but nobody could pick him out. I've seen Martial raising his hand when he's free but Lingard has no vision to see him. Pogba has been injured and therefore we have not one single creative player in the team. All the top 6 sides have 1 or more. We have had none through out the season.

Another excuse is the fact that we have a young squad. There's really nothing I can say here other than young players are bound to be inconsistent. In some matches we look like we're out for blood and in the next we look very unmotivated. Compare Rashford against Tottenham to Rashford against Arsenal. There is are hardly any leaders in this team.

My last excuse is our injuries. Pogba is out with and there is no creativity in the team. We saw what he could do when he came on for a few minutes. Martial was out for a while and we couldn't score more than a goal through out that period. It changed when he came back. Mcctominay is injured now, a vital player in this team. We also have lack any quality squad depth that can make any kind of impact whatsoever asides from an 18 year old.

There is a great imbalance in this squad that can only be solved by a manager that is willing to be patient and wait for the right players rather than rush things. A manager that sees this as a gradual process. Ole so far has shown such features and he has us at 5th considering all the excuses I gave him. Sacking right now will just be reactionary. He deserves at least the end of the season then we can evaluate if he has shown signs that he is the one that can take us forward or whether our future would be better in the hands of another manager

I agree with everything you said. Ole deserves to be in place till the end of the season and then the club can evaluate. If we finish 5th or better and we are playing decent football, he should definitely stay. If 7th or worse and the football is dire, then he goes. If it's somewhere in the middle of those two scenarios then we flip a coin because there is no good answer.

 

[AshRK]

The 100% givens:
Leicester, Liverpool, City, Spurs, Wolves, Sheff United, Palace, Everton, Southampton, Bournemouth.

Then you've got Arsenal & Chelsea who aren't proven to be better yet, but like feck either of them would swap.

Finally there's Newcastle & West Ham, both of their managers have done much more in English football. The others such as Norwich or Villa have a man in charge who got them promoted, Burnley just staying the league is always punching above their weight and considering the job Ole did with Cardiff I'd imagine their stick rather than twist.

So how many is that?

If we are being logical and reasonable here the only managers I would have managing us from the current list of managers managing in PL would be Klopp and Pep and maybe Rodgers but he is also a suspect. I wouldn't touch any of the rest to manage us. The point is if we are to replace Ole then it better be someone who can take the club forward and not just sideways. This whole idea let us just sack ole even if that means hiring Mark Hughes or Moyes then No I am not for it. Our next manager should be someone who has a proven pedigree and knows how to build a squad and suits our current squad.

 

[Gehrman]

If we are being logical and reasonable here the only managers I would have managing us from the current list of managers managing in PL would be Klopp and Pep and maybe Rodgers but he is also a suspect. I wouldn't touch any of the rest to manage us. The point is if we are to replace Ole then it better be someone who can take the club forward and not just sideways. This whole idea let us just sack ole even if that means hiring Mark Hughes or Moyes then No I am not for it. Our next manager should be someone who has a proven pedigree and knows how to build a squad and suits our current squad.

Poch?

 

[romufc]

If we are being logical and reasonable here the only managers I would have managing us from the current list of managers managing in PL would be Klopp and Pep and maybe Rodgers but he is also a suspect. I wouldn't touch any of the rest to manage us. The point is if we are to replace Ole then it better be someone who can take the club forward and not just sideways. This whole idea let us just sack ole even if that means hiring Mark Hughes or Moyes then No I am not for it. Our next manager should be someone who has a proven pedigree and knows how to build a squad and suits our current squad.

Not going to happen.

Ole is the perfect fit for what the club want. A manager that will get time from the fans due to his status.

A manager who will not publicy shame the board for lack of backing.

Sacking him and hiring a decent manager will mean more problems for Ed and the board as they will be consistently asking for players and backing to build a team.

Ed and the board do not want this. they would prefer spending minimal sums and getting top 10.

 

[AshRK]

Poch?

I said from the current list of managers managing in PL. Poch is not managing anyone. But yes I would have him, although not his biggest fan but I can be patient with him.

 

[gerdm07]

If we are being logical and reasonable here the only managers I would have managing us from the current list of managers managing in PL would be Klopp and Pep and maybe Rodgers but he is also a suspect. I wouldn't touch any of the rest to manage us. The point is if we are to replace Ole then it better be someone who can take the club forward and not just sideways. This whole idea let us just sack ole even if that means hiring Mark Hughes or Moyes then No I am not for it. Our next manager should be someone who has a proven pedigree and knows how to build a squad and suits our current squad.

Like the proven pedigrees of LVG and Mou? That went well. I'll say this again, too many of you believe we have a divine-right to be a top club. You seem to believe that Pep and Klopp and all the best managers should be begging to come here and manage. It just doesn't work like that in the real world.

 

[AshRK]

Not going to happen.

Ole is the perfect fit for what the club want. A manager that will get time from the fans due to his status.

A manager who will not publicy shame the board for lack of backing.

Sacking him and hiring a decent manager will mean more problems for Ed and the board as they will be consistently asking for players and backing to build a team.

Ed and the board do not want this. they would prefer spending minimal sums and getting top 10.

I think he will be sacked after this season. The only way he remains is if we finish top 4 or win EL. Cannot see both happening. The next 4 odd months are important for Ole to show if we are actually improving or he is just as clueless as people think he is.

 

[romufc]

I think he will be sacked after this season. The only way he remains is if we finish top 4 or win EL. Cannot see both happening. The next 4 odd months are important for Ole to show if we are actually improving or he is just as clueless as people think he is.

This is exactly why we will not be successful

How can you have a manager based on the next 6 months, you either back him or sack him.

So what happens when we do not finish top 4 or win the EL, sack him wait around hire a manager wait for him to assess the squad for 2 months and miss out on transfers.

So frustrating this.

 

[AshRK]

This is exactly why we will not be successful

How can you have a manager based on the next 6 months, you either back him or sack him.

So what happens when we do not finish top 4 or win the EL, sack him wait around hire a manager wait for him to assess the squad for 2 months and miss out on transfers.

So frustrating this.

No point sacking him for him to be replaced by another nobody. It depends on what our board is thinking and that is the real issue. I do not trust this board one bit. If they have decided they are going to sack him then they should and appoint the manager they want to take this club forward. Maybe it is Poch or someone else but I don't trust this board.

 

[Hellboy]

He easily will. The PL is full of crap managers who eventually get sacked

What makes you say that ? I think nobody would touch him.

 

[romufc]

No point sacking him for him to be replaced by another nobody. It depends on what our board is thinking and that is the real issue. I do not trust this board one bit. If they have decided they are going to sack him then they should and appoint the manager they want to take this club forward. Maybe it is Poch or someone else but I don't trust this board.

No one trusts the board.

 

[Massive Spanner]

This is where you are faulty Spanner. We need a good manager and we need better players. A manager doesn't get top 4 unless he has a proper team. And it takes a few windows to build a good team, it doesn't happen overnight.

I agree 100%. Ole isn't a good manager so we need to replace him.

 

[AshRK]

No one trusts the board.

I just don't see him getting the sack now till the end of the season. Cannot see it happening.

 

[rotherham_red]

That's the problem. He'd doing all that HE can with what he's been given. What he can do isn't actually enough and is miles behind our what our rival's managers can.

5 points behind lampard in 4th isn't miles behind. You forget that this club finished 6th last season (even after a run of prolonged form that was nothing short of divine) and we then took a chainsaw to that squad in midfield and attack with no subsequent reinvestment in those areas. That we're still as close as we are despite such massive holes in the squad and the one player who could have solved many of our issues totally uncommitted to even playing a game of footy for us shows how well Ole has done.

I'd love to see what others would have achieved with such a depleted squad and little to no support from an incompetent board. Poch had Levy, Klopp has Edwards, Pep has Txiki and Ferran, who has Ole got? Everyone is losing their shit but they STILL haven't focused their attention on the real issues at the club.

 

[Vidyoyo]

I think the Haaland transfer has cemented a lot more negativity. I know Raiola is a factor but what's the point in having Ole here if he can't attract that type of player? Knows his dad and is the same nationality (presumably a big influence as one of the all time top Norwegian strikers). We were clearly in for him based on his responses.

If we're really that unappealing then it could be a huge problem the longer it persists...

 

[Andersons Dietician]

If you got more excited with LvG's sleep-inducing crap football than SAF's title-winning last year with RvP flying on the pitch, you may want to consider watching curling instead of football. Unless curling is also too fast-paced for you.

Man I read my post again and saw no where where I wrote anything about Sir Alex Ferguson. Did your rage blinkers kick in?

 

[90 + 5min]

The 100% givens:
Leicester, Liverpool, City, Spurs, Wolves, Sheff United, Palace, Everton, Southampton, Bournemouth.

Then you've got Arsenal & Chelsea who aren't proven to be better yet, but like feck either of them would swap.

Finally there's Newcastle & West Ham, both of their managers have done much more in English football. The others such as Norwich or Villa have a man in charge who got them promoted, Burnley just staying the league is always punching above their weight and considering the job Ole did with Cardiff I'd imagine their stick rather than twist.

So how many is that?

Well, I don’t have to wonder more if it is about football at all or if you just don’t like Solskjaer. When you put lot of those managers infront of Solskjaer it is not about football. Thank you for proving my point couple of days ago.

Nice one @Regulus Arcturus Black . Ok, now when i think that we solved this question lets go on another; how many championship managers are better than Ole? Who is watching championship regulary here?

I guess that any person on this planet is better coach than Solskjaer. By looking at some posts.

 

[ivaldo]

I think Ole does that to give the impression he's in control, that's he knows his project will have ups and downs and by smiling about it he'll convince many that he's not worried, he's got this.

He's played a blinder in my mind with a large chunk of the fanbase. As Jose says, it's a dream, keep talking about the future, get rid of players that can be seen as mercenaries, give some youth a chance and keep smiling... that's enough to make an insane amount of people completely forget about the most important thing in football.

And that large chunk of the fanbase will say they're just being realistic. There's this incredible doublethink with some fans at the moment in which they will roundly criticize the players at the club, gladly stating almost everyone at the club is a steaming pile of horse manure, and yet expect the manager to achieve with them.

Half of the youngest top 10 starting XI sides fielded in the Premier League so far this season are from United. The other teams to feature are Cheslea (twice), Arsenal, Bournemouth and Southampton. You'll notice these are some of the most inconsistent sides in the league so far. We also have a wafer thin squad that is reliant on Pogba to be our creative outlet, wortunately has been out since August. It's a risk that's backfired.

Now, clearly we should be doing better than we are doing, but to the point where we should sack him and bring in another who will just face the same issues we've had this year. Will a new manager come in and suddenly add depth to the squad while finding creativity from nowhere? Or will he do the same thing and look to add reinforcements in January? We've stripped the squad down to the bare bones and regardless of who we bring in, we are going to have to be patient while we rebuild and while the youth players develop a bit of consistency in their game. Someone other than Ole may well be better placed to do that, but a lot of the criticism pointed at him seems a little unfair to me.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Needed additions? He spent £300m, and that was before the market went crazy!

The revisionism around LvG needs to stop. He was a funny guy, he used to be a good manager, but he was absolutely awful during his tenure here apart from the FA cup win.

There is no revisionism that was the best technical football we‘ve played. People might not appreciate that but it’s true compared to Moyes, Jose and Ole it was of a much higher standard.
Did that translate in to edge of the seat excitement for fans no, but I’d wager if he was still in charge we’d be a far better team than we currently are now.

 

[Ikon]

That's the problem. He'd doing all that HE can with what he's been given. What he can do isn't actually enough and is miles behind our what our rival's managers can.

I'd disagree.
Even if you employed Pep or Klopp, this squad of players are not going to suddenly buck the trend of the past few years and become fantastic players, they simply are not.
What I have liked about Solskjaer so far, is that he has shipped off Fellaini, Valencia, Lukaku, Darmian etc....players that either didn't want to be here or were not going to take the club forward.
I am convinced that Rojo, Matic & Jones will be shown the door soon as is feasible too, which is great news in mu opinion.
But my worry is, bringing in a new manager, he is going to want to reassess the squad himself, and these bloody awful players get yet another reprieve.

 

[Massive Spanner]

There is no revisionism that was the best technical football we‘ve played. People might not appreciate that but it’s true compared to Moyes, Jose and Ole it was of a much higher standard.
Did that translate in to edge of the seat excitement for fans no, but I’d wager if he was still in charge we’d be a far better team than we currently are now.

yeah but that's like saying it's better to get shit on by a bird than a dog.

Everything was worse in our second season under LvG. We got less points, we were worse in Europe, we scored less goals, we played worse football, he made worse signings, and ultimately he was dead in the water by Christmas time and never looked like turning it around. It would've been madness to give a manager who had performed worse in every aspect in his second season another season.

Saying that we'd be better now if he was still in charge makes no sense when you take all that into account, seeing as all we did under him is get worse as he progressed.

 

[sunama]

He easily will. The PL is full of crap managers who eventually get sacked

Ole is the worst manager in the EPL.
There was a thread about this (ie. who is worse than Ole) and the only name which came up was Steve Bruce. A week later, S.Bruce's Newcastle played and beat us!
I cannot believe that anybody in their right minds, who isn't a rival supporter wants Ole to stay. Utterly bizarre.
Try and find a supporter of rival club, to admit that they'd like Ole to replace the manager of the club that they support. You won't find anybody.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

yeah but that's like saying it's better to get shit on by a bird than a dog.

Everything was worse in our second season under LvG. We got less points, we were worse in Europe, we scored less goals, we played worse football, he made worse signings, and ultimately he was dead in the water by Christmas time and never looked like turning it around. It would've been madness to give a manager who had performed worse in every aspect in his second season another season.

Saying that we'd be better now if he was still in charge makes no sense when you take all that into account, seeing as all we did under him is get worse as he progressed.

He was building great foundations just like Ole is! Making the teams worse is the definition of building foundations.
Also wasting money also builds foundations.

Lower expectations foundations which will make Moyes look like a genious in 2025 when we bring him back to save us from relegation .