He also finished 2nd and needed backed massively that summer . This current squad needs a massive overhauling. How much do you realistically think it could cost ?
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He also finished 2nd and needed backed massively that summer . This current squad needs a massive overhauling. How much do you realistically think it could cost ?
He got 2 titles and a runner up to show for his 400m spending.
Another season under ole he'll be spending close to 400m with nothing to show.
The mighty Leicester who finished 14 points off us last season are suddenly way ahead of us after we spent £80m on their CB. Stop embarrassing yourself.The team needs overhaul because he spent that money extremely badly. He didn't need backing, he needed to show why he earned 15m per year and maximize the heavy investments that he demanded in the past 24 months. Do you guys think that the club prints money or extracts oil?
Its not just about the results, the attitude of the squad is horrible as well, zero aggression, ambition and drive.
Ole was a gamble, we hired him not on his managerial abilities but because of his historical career at United. Him not being a good enough manager was always a possibility, we need to cut our losses and move on. I dont know why people have become emotionally attached to Ole, need to be objective and logical about this not sentimental.
Ole was a gamble, we hired him not on his managerial abilities but because of his historical career at United. Him not being a good enough manager was always a possibility, we need to cut our losses and move on. I dont know why people have become emotionally attached to Ole, need to be objective and logical about this not sentimental.
1. Where did Leicester's squad rank last January? 12th?
2. Let's say you answered 2nd back in Jan, you'd have be off your tits right @OleBoiii?
United look like a 6th placed team right now, just as Leicester looked every bit a 10th placed team under Claude Puel.
Without Maguire we would be the same team but with Smalling and 80m.
Actually we'd probably be a few goals better off seeing as Smalling used to score them from time to time.
An analogy to clarify the way I see our situation, using Formula One
Let's say we are currently in a Haas. There is no way, with our current car, that even the most spectacularly amazing driver could even come close to winning the F1 Championship. You could put Lewis Hamilton in the car and you might, might sneak an extra place or two up the leaderboard - but you're certainly not going to be competing with Red Bull, Mercedes or Ferrari for 'proper' points on a regular basis.
Not only that, but our team principle is an idiot with no knowledge of motor racing. Over the last few seasons, his attempts to get 'Haas' up to a competitive level has mainly focused around paying over the odds for discarded mechanical parts from other teams. Just imagine, for a second, the implications of giving somebody with no knowledge of engineering or motor racing a job as a team principle in motorsport.
Unsurprisingly, buying sub-standard parts from other teams hasn't worked and the team have struggled in mid-table. Guess who the 'principle' and the fans blame? The driver! OK, so maybe Sebastien Grosjean wasn't a great choice, doesn't have any experience of winning titles. So let's go for Alonso....hang on....that's not worked out either....OK, maybe Alonso is washed-up, a dinosaur who is past his best. Right. Let's go all out. Let's splash the cash on Lewis Hamilton! A proven winner, heading for the all-time record for wins in F1, in terms of both races and championships. This is going to be fantastic! It can't fail.....oh hang on....we're 6th again! What's even more strange is that Lewis doesn't seem very happy trundling around in midfield getting lapped by Verstappen and Leclerc. How very odd....better get rid of him as well, clearly has an attitude problem.
So....OK, this is were some posters get me wrong. I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE'VE TRIED GOOD MANAGERS SO WE SHOULDN'T BOTHER TRYING OTHER 'GOOD' MANAGERS. For the record. Sorry for shouting that bit. My point is that it doesn't matter who's sat 'at the wheel', this shower of sh**e "car" we have assembled isn't winning anything!
So, again that begs the question....why Ole then? Why not get the very, very best manager out there? Well, simply put, just like our 'Lewis Hamilton', the very best managers want to win trophies NOW. They don't want to spend five years nurturing Greenwood, Williams, AWB, Rashford, Martial, McTominay etc....until they are of an age where they can compete with the Ferrari's of this world. They want success, they want it now and they will be very short-term in their thinking. Now. to a certain extent, I understand that that is the way Manchester Utd could/arguably should be thinking - however, understand the reality of the situation....we are a for-profit business ran for Directors and shareholders. It does not matter how much whining the bloke in the dugout does. This will not change. We will not be spending £500m next summer, on top of all of the money that has already gone down the pan.
We're currently in a very, very big hole. We can keep digging, or we can stop digging and try something different. Do I think Ole is a good manager? Tactically, probably not. In terms of bringing the players together and encouraging them, despite their limitations? Maybe. I always knew that it was going to take a minimum of 2/3 seasons to get the mercenaries and the overpaid dross out of our club and new, hungry, quality players through the door. In my opinion, and I understand some will disagree, better to let Ole manage the clearout in the interim and (hopefully) develop a few of our better younger players along the way. Then, if in a year or two's time, we're still dropping silly points on a regular basis, BUT we now have a more streamlined, quality, hungry, well-rounded squad, we THEN look at a manager to take us on to the next level. My concern is if we took on an Allegri or a Conte now, they would spend £250m on 26-30 year old players, we would have some very minor short term success (top four, maybe a cup) and then in sooner rather than later, we would be right back to where Jose left us. In a knackered old banger, limping along in midfield with a load of unhappy staff!
So feel free to criticise or disagree with me, but please understand I don't 'back' Ole because he scored a goal for us once or because he played for us (I vehemently opposed Ryan Giggs as any kind of short/long term manager) - I back Ole because it is MY OPINION that he is at least TRYING to do what's right by the club and not himself. No need for us all to fall out about it, I'm sure there are other valid opinions out there.....i.e. maybe we should be looking for the 'next Klopp' or the 'next Pep' to come in and handle the transition.....but even then, massive patience would be required and I'm not sure we have it as a club or as a fanbase!
Let's say we are currently in a Haas. There is no way, with our current car, that even the most spectacularly amazing driver could even come close to winning the F1 Championship. You could put Lewis Hamilton in the car and you might, might sneak an extra place or two up the leaderboard - but you're certainly not going to be competing with Red Bull, Mercedes or Ferrari for 'proper' points on a regular basis.
Not only that, but our team principle is an idiot with no knowledge of motor racing. Over the last few seasons, his attempts to get 'Haas' up to a competitive level has mainly focused around paying over the odds for discarded mechanical parts from other teams. Just imagine, for a second, the implications of giving somebody with no knowledge of engineering or motor racing a job as a team principle in motorsport.
Unsurprisingly, buying sub-standard parts from other teams hasn't worked and the team have struggled in mid-table. Guess who the 'principle' and the fans blame? The driver! OK, so maybe Sebastien Grosjean wasn't a great choice, doesn't have any experience of winning titles. So let's go for Alonso....hang on....that's not worked out either....OK, maybe Alonso is washed-up, a dinosaur who is past his best. Right. Let's go all out. Let's splash the cash on Lewis Hamilton! A proven winner, heading for the all-time record for wins in F1, in terms of both races and championships. This is going to be fantastic! It can't fail.....oh hang on....we're 6th again! What's even more strange is that Lewis doesn't seem very happy trundling around in midfield getting lapped by Verstappen and Leclerc. How very odd....better get rid of him as well, clearly has an attitude problem.
So....OK, this is were some posters get me wrong. I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE'VE TRIED GOOD MANAGERS SO WE SHOULDN'T BOTHER TRYING OTHER 'GOOD' MANAGERS. For the record. Sorry for shouting that bit. My point is that it doesn't matter who's sat 'at the wheel', this shower of sh**e "car" we have assembled isn't winning anything!
So, again that begs the question....why Ole then? Why not get the very, very best manager out there? Well, simply put, just like our 'Lewis Hamilton', the very best managers want to win trophies NOW. They don't want to spend five years nurturing Greenwood, Williams, AWB, Rashford, Martial, McTominay etc....until they are of an age where they can compete with the Ferrari's of this world. They want success, they want it now and they will be very short-term in their thinking. Now. to a certain extent, I understand that that is the way Manchester Utd could/arguably should be thinking - however, understand the reality of the situation....we are a for-profit business ran for Directors and shareholders. It does not matter how much whining the bloke in the dugout does. This will not change. We will not be spending £500m next summer, on top of all of the money that has already gone down the pan.
We're currently in a very, very big hole. We can keep digging, or we can stop digging and try something different. Do I think Ole is a good manager? Tactically, probably not. In terms of bringing the players together and encouraging them, despite their limitations? Maybe. I always knew that it was going to take a minimum of 2/3 seasons to get the mercenaries and the overpaid dross out of our club and new, hungry, quality players through the door. In my opinion, and I understand some will disagree, better to let Ole manage the clearout in the interim and (hopefully) develop a few of our better younger players along the way. Then, if in a year or two's time, we're still dropping silly points on a regular basis, BUT we now have a more streamlined, quality, hungry, well-rounded squad, we THEN look at a manager to take us on to the next level. My concern is if we took on an Allegri or a Conte now, they would spend £250m on 26-30 year old players, we would have some very minor short term success (top four, maybe a cup) and then in sooner rather than later, we would be right back to where Jose left us. In a knackered old banger, limping along in midfield with a load of unhappy staff!
So feel free to criticise or disagree with me, but please understand I don't 'back' Ole because he scored a goal for us once or because he played for us (I vehemently opposed Ryan Giggs as any kind of short/long term manager) - I back Ole because it is MY OPINION that he is at least TRYING to do what's right by the club and not himself. No need for us all to fall out about it, I'm sure there are other valid opinions out there.....i.e. maybe we should be looking for the 'next Klopp' or the 'next Pep' to come in and handle the transition.....but even then, massive patience would be required and I'm not sure we have it as a club or as a fanbase!
I'm 100% sure that the Ole in posters aren't going to say they are wrong whatever happens under him in charge. Even if he is sacked and Poch comes and and does wonders with the club, they will run on with "this is the fruition of Ole's work! He laid the foundations! Poch is just gathering what Ole has planted, La!". It's beyond hopeless at this case. LvG foundations all over again.
You had me until Formula One.
Unless you're talking about us going around in circles dead fast... in which case i'd be intrigued how you dragged that out over 8 paragraphs... I'm back in.
Ole, like every other manager is trying to do both what is right for himself and the club, don't kid yourself.
If it goes well for himself it goes well for the club. Currently he's losing the club a shit load of money.
Most probably.
After a bright start Maguire has descended to the mediocrity the rest of the team are in.
James hasn't scored since mid September and has 6 goals/assist since the last 16 games or 1350 mins(one goal/assist every 225 mins).
AWB form has gone downwards and his attacking output is as we expected - minimal at best.
All in all 150m pounds spend in the Summer has not improved us much currently/
I have the same opinion on some of the Ole out crowd
When we lose he is a nothing manager, when we spank City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Leicester, etc it is a non event. Those guys would have sacked both SAF and Klopp after their first season or two.James hasn't scored since August 31th. He has been on a run of 4 months and a week with no goal and counting. He's challenging Lingard for the record of not scoring apparently.
Haven't a clue what it would cost but we have a squad with Shaw Jones Lingard Mata Matic Pereira Bailly Young and probably more who all need to be replaced .
The Olé in brigade are deluded. Same 'top reds' that supported the mediocrity of Moyes, the madness of LVG & the depression of Mourinho.
Blindly encouraging the medicority is not something to be admired - it breeds this mess we're in.
Olé thinks he's Fergie and can do his "it's Spurs" team talk. Difference is, Fergie had a squad of winners, Olé has a squad of frauds.
Olé is a club legend, but a manager or tactician he is not.
Blindly encouraging the medicority is not something to be admired - it breeds this mess we're in.
Olé thinks he's Fergie and can do his "it's Spurs" team talk. Difference is, Fergie had a squad of winners, Olé has a squad of frauds.
Olé is a club legend, but a manager or tactician he is not.
Do you not see the pattern that players start bright and get worse the more time they have with our coaching? It's not a coincidence that everyone ends up looking worse. They were better before the settled in, that's madness, but it seemingly is how it goes with this club currently.
As Raiola said, we’d ruin Messi. We ruined Maguire in under a month.
There’s no point in buying anyone outside of the Championship because that’s the level we turn everyone into.
There’s no point in buying anyone outside of the Championship because that’s the level we turn everyone into.
I gave him credit whenever we had a good win and even tried to be positive few times, but it's not working. I have had enough of false downs. On the contrary, I yet to see a single Ole in criticize him for a poor performance, it's always the crap players or Woodward. Excuses are always ready, oh and the never ending mentioning SAF. Apparently any manager will turn to SAF if given 5 years. Give Steve Bruce 5 years and he will be the new Fergie/Klopp. Probably the weakest excuse used.I have the same opinion on some of the Ole out crowd
He will be gone and as I said his supporters will say any good work done by the next manager is thanks to Ole foundation. They will never admit they were wrong after spending 6 months of excuses after excuses after excuses.
We see it but in 18 months some will have no problem claiming that we need an overhaul and that the likes of AWB and Maguire are deadwood.
I'm starting to think all the "Ole in" who are still trying hard to defend him is just wumming at this point.
If the squad was that shite how did it gave Ole his honeymoon period which landed him the job then?
Yeah it is a clear pattern with us. Same under Mourinho although that could be him falling out with players. With Lindelöf it was the other way around to be fair and Fred took time before he got going too.
Under Ole though everything is getting worse by the minute really.
ah, yes, that makes it even worse!
Every comparison that has Lingard in it speaks volumes...
The only positive that the "Ole in" brigade was singing this season was the recruitment over the summer. They started bright and currently are struggling just like any other "deadwood".
The even more funny thing is that currently our best midfielder(bar Pogba) is Matic - the one who Ole tried to get out of the door up until very recently.
Replaced yeah, but Ole would probably sanction selling them with no replacements.
And some of you would actually praise him for it
Google "outlier".
I'm pretty sure that if you look at the top 6 of the past 20 years, then 90% of teams will end up where they belong on paper, +/- one spot.
But sure... Leicester proves that Solskjær is inept
Google "deluded".Google "outlier".
I'm pretty sure that if you look at the top 6 of the past 20 years, then 90% of teams will end up where they belong on paper, +/- one spot.
But sure... Leicester proves that Solskjær is inept
What the feck is the bolded part even supposed to mean? Obviously teams finish where they belong. We belong where we are because we are managed by possibly the worst manager in the PL. If we had a better manager, we'd belong higher up the table. That's how these things work.
You keep getting refuted on points and then just trying to make some other random, irrelevant point instead of actually attempting to stand by what you said, it's weird and stupid.
His new username is "OleBoiii" for fecks sake
I'm actually convinced that those who signed up after Ole was hired with his name in their username are only defending him because they'll feel like idiots if he's fired for picking the name. It was the same with LvG and Jose, as I recall.His new username is "OleBoiii" for fecks sake
It's probably like someone being given the name Adolf in the 20's or 30's and then defending him because they feel they have to. "Yeah come on the Nazi's aren't that bad, Hitler can only do so much with what he's given lads!"
The problem with Ole is that nothing in his +10 years career suggests that he is apt to manage a PL club and nothing in his PL career as a manager suggests that he is apt to continue. Now people can have blind faith, I won't have any issue with that but there is no rational argument in favour of Ole being a suitable manager for Manchester United, it's something that he needs to demonstrate and he hasn't yet.Google "outlier".
I'm pretty sure that if you look at the top 6 of the past 20 years, then 90% of teams will end up where they belong on paper, +/- one spot.
But sure... Leicester proves that Solskjær is inept
You haven't refuted a single point.
And I disagree that a coach like Klopp or Pep would do significantly better with this squad. Every team they've finished top 4 with so far has had a significantly stronger squad.
No Ole would not sanction it.Replaced yeah, but Ole would probably sanction selling them with no replacements.
And some of you would actually praise him for it
Giving Ole stick is easy, but this squad is so thin it's suffering from malnutrition. Lindelhof, Jones, Pereira, Lingard....did Ole sign them? Even Jesus Christ himself would struggle to perform a miracle with that bunch of so called footballers. Seven years now of a shambles of a transfer policy of buying crap and paying them such high wages we can't get rid of them because they don't want to take a paycut to move on. Is any of that Ole's fault? Sacking another manager would mean going back to square one....again. No. It's time for the man who has overseen this shambles to be given his P45.
You have solid points but If you think there's nothing wrong with tactics then that's just a terrible opinion. Ole's tactics is the biggest reason people want him out.
You're right, I don't think any other coach like Guardiola or Klopp can even have us above 5th but they would have us playing cohesively and they don't need a year to do that. Ole has had a year now and the only thing he has set up this side to do appropriately is counter attack which is a basic tactic.
If you blame the players and say they are not good enough to play any other thing then what about Leeds, or Borrusia Monchengladbach or Sheffield. We all know we have a better squad than these teams yet they are playing cohesively and better football than us even thought we in a higher league position than them and.
If you blame it on the injuries we've had then I can mention a couple of games were we had a full squad and a better squad than the opponent and still did not look like a properly coached team.
As proven as they were LVG, Mourinho and Moyes never produced good football with the squad they had and people criticised them for that. Ole is just another manager in that list. Because we've failed 3 times does not mean we can't get it wrong again. Because Ole has good ideas for the future, or he promotes youth or he has an average or young and inconsistent squad or has been unlucky with injuries does not excuse his inability to coach a team. It does not excuse the fact that after a year of his reign the only thing he has set up this side to play appropriately is counter attacks. When you think about it, what more did we expect from a man that relegated Cardiff and spent most of his coaching career in Molde
Then your post is an idiot.
It's hilarious that you lot keep bringing up Klopp, a manager who took over a Liverpool side in an even worse situation than us, with an even worse squad than us, and consistently improved them year on year. By the same stage as Ole, with less money spent, Klopp was well on course for a top four finish!
I mean, how many straws can you possibly clutch at?
All you have left to do now is bring up the one about Sir Alex struggling in his first three years too, oh maybe mention that Ole wasn't backed, or how about his great sig.. no wait you said that one. Actually you could blame the players instead.. wait, nope, said that one too. Um, oh, we got wins against a few big sides in between getting beaten by the terrible ones, nope, you said that too. Ah, you'll think of something!
I thin they are mostly opp fans or WUMs.