The “Ole In” Brigade

[Jim Beam]

Maybe one day we as a club will figure out that proper system/coaching is more important than just individual quality, especially in today's football. That is the problem most have with Ole atm (not just the results). The system doesn't look in place after more than a year or what has been put presented on the field looks far from convincing. The only constant thing is that we seem to pile more deadwood with each passing month along with our inability to play well when we're denied space upfront.

Am against sacking just for the sake of it, but if this board isn't in the process of evaluating other options and thinking about different approach/structure going forward then they are really clueless as most people here already think.

 

[jackal&hyde]

I gave him credit whenever we had a good win and even tried to be positive few times, but it's not working. I have had enough of false downs. On the contrary, I yet to see a single Ole in criticize him for a poor performance, it's always the crap players or Woodward. Excuses are always ready, oh and the never ending mentioning SAF. Apparently any manager will turn to SAF if given 5 years. Give Steve Bruce 5 years and he will be the new Fergie/Klopp. Probably the weakest excuse used.

He will be gone and as I said his supporters will say any good work done by the next manager is thanks to Ole foundation. They will never admit they were wrong after spending 6 months of excuses after excuses after excuses.

I have the same feeling after such a game, we all do. As far as obvious mistakes, the games against Newcastle and West Ham come to mind not just for the results but the performance given the opposition, i think he got something very wrong there but i don't have the patience to re watch them to see exactly what. There are however a number of good games against better opposition imo that make me think he does know what he's doing. The transfers were also decent if too expensive.

We'l he be a SAF or Klopp, probably not but that's not the point. The point is that doing a major rebuild takes time and it's painful. You go from great wins like we did against city a few weeks ago to painful defeats like yesterday. There is no such thing as a false down, it's just the inconsistency of a young team during a rebuild; it happened to all the managers that have attempted this.

Mourinho was fired because he had 400 some million to build his own team, 3 defenders, 2 mids, 4 attackers and the team was 14 some points of top 4 and playing abysmal football every game. Ole is not even close to that; not in terms of building his team nor in being in free fall in terms of results.

I don't know if he'll succeed, all i know is that if we all agree the squad is crap due to unbelievable bad player acquisitions during LVG and Mou, wait for the "he is a nothing manager" type of stuff until he gets a few more players of his own in. If this time next year we are the same then OleOut. He tends to go after younger more determined players so worse case scenario we will have a young team ready for another manager instead of the old farts that Mourinho left us with.

 

[Lentwood]

Ole, like every other manager is trying to do both what is right for himself and the club, don't kid yourself.

If it goes well for himself it goes well for the club. Currently he's losing the club a shit load of money.

Do you think Jose was doing what was best for the club? I'm not 100% sure about that to be honest. I think Jose was looking out for Jose, certainly in that final season.

Again, just my personal opinion. Clearly, Jose's the better coach/tactician but I'm not sure that's the be all and end all nowadays

 

[Di Maria's angel]

To all the clowns on here slagging Ole . We could have Pep and we would still be shit because our club is run by complete idiot's . We have spent close to a billion in 7/8 years yet we have a top 10 squad .

Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .

We could have any manager and they would struggle . Tell me any manager who could make any of the above mentioned better. We probably won't sign anyone in January and if we don't I can say now we are truly fecked !

I will go as far to say if we don't sign any players in this January window I for the 1st time in 20 years will not renew my season ticket because it shows me how little the owners actually care about our great club .

feck the Glazers they are total parasites

It's rather confusing posters like yourself and many others can identify bad players in seconds but can't identify a bad manager.

 

[devilish]

To be fair, Jones was given a new contract while Ole will still interim manager, so I doubt he had any influence on that.

Mata I'm guessing was a case of the club realising they weren't going to get the midfield targets they wanted and keeping him around to make up the numbers.

Oh I assure you mate, Ole had a big say in what was going on long before he became a permanent manager. In fact the deal was done and dusted long before it was announced. Ole wanted players who 'understood' what playing for Manchester United meant. That was basically British players in his books. In fact he would have kept all British players at the club if he could (Smalling wanted out). Jones remained because....erm....British.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Did he ? 1st season aside we where shit under Jose . I remember going to OT watching a group of players not wanting to play and I remember when Jose left watching the best football since Ferguson times ..

I'm not saying Ole has got what it takes but what I am saying is we could have Pep and not even he could have that side playing well regularly.

We need a huge turn around of playing staff at the club and hopefully we do more of that in this January window

When was this?

 

[el3mel]

I have the same feeling after such a game, we all do. As far as obvious mistakes, the games against Newcastle and West Ham come to mind not just for the results but the performance given the opposition, i think he got something very wrong there but i don't have the patience to re watch them to see exactly what. There are however a number of good games against better opposition imo that make me think he does know what he's doing. The transfers were also decent if too expensive.

We'l he be a SAF or Klopp, probably not but that's not the point. The point is that doing a major rebuild takes time and it's painful. You go from great wins like we did against city a few weeks ago to painful defeats like yesterday. There is no such thing as a false down, it's just the inconsistency of a young team during a rebuild; it happened to all the managers that have attempted this.

Mourinho was fired because he had 400 some million to build his own team, 3 defenders, 2 mids, 4 attackers and the team was 14 some points of top 4 and playing abysmal football every game. Ole is not even close to that; not in terms of building his team nor in being in free fall in terms of results.

I don't know if he'll succeed, all i know is that if we all agree the squad is crap due to unbelievable bad player acquisitions during LVG and Mou, wait for the "he is a nothing manager" type of stuff until he gets a few more players of his own in. If this time next year we are the same then OleOut. He tends to go after younger more determined players so worse case scenario we will have a young team ready for another manager instead of the old farts that Mourinho left us with.

Mourinho and LvG got 300-400m to spend because they did well in their first season that they deserved more money to spend. In their first season both spent 150m, the same sum of money Ole had spent last summer and in Mourinho first season we also only brought 4 signings, the 4th one was free (Zlatan), so he isn't treated any different from the rest of the previous managers. He spent as much as them in their first market. The problem is he doesn't look he deserves any more seasons with how godawful this one is going on, unlike the first season of both LvG and Mourinho who warranted them getting second market (and they also didn't spend anything more than 150m in their second market btw).

I'm fine with a rebuild job and being patient but not under Ole. For me he's out of his depth and not good enough to supervise such a rebuilding job. This season hasn't proved anything from that perspective. I will be in favor for a rebuild job under a better manager who is more experienced in it. No one is saying we don't need a rebuild or the current squad isn't good enough (even though a big reason of it being not good enough is the last market in which we fecked up the squad by mass selling under the supervision of Ole), it's that he's not suitable for this rebuild job and giving him more time and money isn't going to do anything, gonna be just a waste of time. Let us rebuild under a better manager, that's all.

 

[Paxi]

When oppo fans sign up and pretend to be Ole acolytes -- you know, Ole is a joke and its time to sack him.

 

[Havak]

I'm still of the same opinion as before.

Ole isn't the man to take us to the next level, but the overall work for the club he's doing is OK. I like the signings and agree with the players being let go. I don't see any need to sack him this season as it's more about other things IMO, for now. Although, I would put out the argument that maybe a better manager could get us to finish 4th this season? I'm not fully sure if a new manager bounce would be enough or if it would eventually effect things negatively, who knows.

Still, I think Poch coming in over Ole in the Summer is the only call to make in terms of managerial change (the board won't change, so I'll stop hampering on about that). I believe Poch can continue Ole's strategy but at a higher quality level. I still stand firm that Ole will have done a lot of the groundwork and Poch will benefit massively us getting rid of a lot of the dross and prima donna's. I still think it's a year or two before we're a consistent Champion's League quality side. I'm less bothered than most fans, I've enjoyed only success for most of my time supporting United (I'm just turning 31 now), so I can deal with a bit of this. I knew it wouldn't always be dandy the whole time.

 

[TRUERED89]

When was this?

Ole's run before being made permanent.

 

[jackal&hyde]

Mourinho and LvG got 300-400m to spend because they did well in their first season that they deserved more money to spend. In their first season both spent 150m, the same sum of money Ole had spent last summer and in Mourinho first season we also only brought 4 signings, the 4th one was free (Zlatan), so he isn't treated any different from the rest of the previous managers. He spent as much as them in their first market. The problem is he doesn't look he deserves any more seasons with how godawful this one is going on, unlike the first season of both LvG and Mourinho who warranted them getting second market (and they also didn't spend anything more than 150m in their second market btw).

I'm fine with a rebuild job and being patient but not under Ole. For me he's out of his depth and not good enough to supervise such a rebuilding job. This season hasn't proved anything from that perspective. I will be in favor for a rebuild job under a better manager who is more experienced in it. No one is saying we don't need a rebuild or the current squad isn't good enough (even though a big reason of it being not good enough is the last market in which we fecked up the squad by mass selling under the supervision of Ole), it's that he's not suitable for this rebuild job and giving him more time and money isn't going to do anything, gonna be just a waste of time. Let us rebuild under a better manager, that's all.

LVG finished 4th in his first season and Mou finished 6th (winning the league cup and Europa). At the time of writing we are 5th (so in between) with a decent chance (close enough in points) to finish 4th and still part of all the cup competitions. So by your definition of managers deserving more money then Ole qualifies. Don't get me wrong, if we finish 8th or something then i'll be ok with searching for a new manager, but now he has done nothing less then the other two in their first seasons. It's really the big names that they have vs Ole that i think makes it such an unfair situation right now with the treatment he is getting from some fans. If his name was Poch i don't think he would have gotten 10% of the online abuse as he does now.

If the board backs him this window i'm reasonably confident he will do better then Mourinho in his first PL season with less money spent.

 

[TRUERED89]

I'm still of the same opinion as before.

Ole isn't the man to take us to the next level, but the overall work for the club he's doing is OK. I like the signings and agree with the players being let go. I don't see any need to sack him this season as it's more about other things IMO, for now. Although, I would put out the argument that maybe a better manager could get us to finish 4th this season? I'm not fully sure if a new manager bounce would be enough or if it would eventually effect things negatively, who knows.

Still, I think Poch coming in over Ole in the Summer is the only call to make in terms of managerial change (the board won't change, so I'll stop hampering on about that). I believe Poch can continue Ole's strategy but at a higher quality level. I still stand firm that Ole will have done a lot of the groundwork and Poch will benefit massively us getting rid of a lot of the dross and prima donna's. I still think it's a year or two before we're a consistent Champion's League quality side. I'm less bothered than most fans, I've enjoyed only success for most of my time supporting United (I'm just turning 31 now), so I can deal with a bit of this. I knew it wouldn't always be dandy the whole time.

A bit? 7 bloody years. Would other fan bases from elite clubs accept this? We've all seen mostly success, does that mean we drop standards and become irrelevant like AC Milan? We've already become a top 4 trophy club like Arsenal, what next? A 30 year barren run without a PL like the scouse ?

 

[el3mel]

LVG finished 4th in his first season and Mou finished 6th (winning the league cup and Europa). At the time of writing we are 5th (so in between) with a decent chance (close enough in points) to finish 4th and still part of all the cup competitions. So by your definition of managers deserving more money then Ole qualifies. Don't get me wrong, if we finish 8th or something then i'll be ok with searching for a new manager, but now he has done nothing less then the other two in their first seasons. It's really the big names that they have vs Ole that i think makes it such an unfair situation right now with the treatment he is getting from some fans. If his name was Poch i don't think he would have gotten 10% of the online abuse as he does now.

If the board backs him this window i'm reasonably confident he will do better then Mourinho in his first PL season with less money spent.

Of course if he finishes 4th or win EL everyone will say he deserves a second season, however it doesn't look like any one of both will occur considering how crap we have been in majority of our games and even the games against big teams which we were doing well in, they are starting to know the only trick of our play and we got totally dominated in the last 2 of them.

Both in LvG and Mourinho first seasons there were clear signs of improvement not just in terms of results but in terms of football played. LvG had the team hanging around 3rd and 4th by this time in his first season and had a two 6 wins strikes during the season including the famous one with City, Pool and Spurs. The team was playing a pretty good football and he even managed a big injury crisis in his first half of the season pretty well and won 6 games in a row including against Arsenal away. Mourinho had the team playing great football and wasting shite ton of chances per game and we were unlucky to lose many points in draws, won the league cup and we were progressing through the season through EL and won it eventually. His signings were all successful at this time and the football played was encouraging, beside the trophies.

Meanwhile in this season we are playing crap football, showed clear attacking intent in only 3 games or so this season, our only trick is to defend and counter, (a style of play that was hated till Ole came and suddenly it's good enough) and the squad has regressed badly after the summer he got, with his signings also regressing as the season goes on. There is nothing in thwt air that can convince anyone that the future is positive or we are progressing, not the football, not the result, not the squad, nothing! A feeling that was never present in the first season of the previous 2 managers which the positively around the future was always around. More like anything this feels like the last season of LvG or Mourinho which that it's inevitable he is going to get sacked at one point.

 

[pastyfool]

It was Ole's decision not to replace Lukaku, Sanchez, Fellaini and Herrera.
I don’t think he said to the board 'please don’t buy anyone, what we have is good enough’. I think things are a little deeper than that.

It was Ole's decision to go into the season relying on 18 year old Mason Greenwood.
Ole has been relying on Rashford and Martial in attack. Greenwood hasn’t been starting every game so to say that Ole has been relying on him is a bit of a stretch.

It was Ole's decision to blow £85 million on Maguire when there were cheaper alternatives available.
Didn’t Mourinho try to bring him to the club the season before? (I might be wrong there). Of course there are plenty of cheaper options out there but does cheaper mean better? I think without Maguire we’d be in a worst position.

It was Ole's decision to keep shoehorning underperforming players like Lingard and Pereira into the side.
From the current squad/injuries who would you play in their places?

Ole has no experience of managing a world class side.
This is true. But Utd are currently not a world class. World famous yes but not world class. Do you know who has managed world class sides? LVG and Mourinho and they both failed here.

Ole has no tactical nous of breaking down teams that sit deep.
If he had only played under one of the worlds greatest managers he might of picked up a thing or two...

Ole does not know how to coach an attacking mentality into the players.
See my answer above.

Ole is responsible for us having the lowest points total at this stage in over 30 years. Worse than Moyes, LVG, Jose.
Moyes took over a Championship winning side.
LVG brought in 13 players at a cost of £258.5m
Jose brought in 11 players at a cost of £391.5m

Ole so far has brought in 3 players at a cost of £140m (all I think have improved us).
But most importantly he’s been getting rid of a lot of players that won’t take us forward.

Utd currently have 31pts and are 5th in the league.
At this stage during the 1989–90 season (does that fit into 'over 30 years'?) Utd had 24pts and were 15th in the league.

The then manager was?
Buzz if you know the answer.

 

[jackal&hyde]

Of course if he finishes 4th or win EL everyone will say he deserves a second season, however it doesn't look like any one of both will occur considering how crap we have been in majority of our games and even the games against big teams which we were doing well in, they are starting to know the only trick of our play and we got totally dominated in the last 2 of them.

Both in LvG and Mourinho first seasons there were clear signs of improvement not just in terms of results but in terms of football played. LvG had the team hanging around 3rd and 4th by this time in his first season and had a two 6 wins strikes during the season including the famous one with City, Pool and Spurs. The team was playing a pretty good football and he even managed a big injury crisis in his first half of the season pretty well and won 6 games in a row including against Arsenal away. Mourinho had the team playing great football and wasting shite ton of chances per game and we were unlucky to lose many points in draws, won the league cup and we were progressing through the season through EL and won it eventually. His signings were all successful at this time and the football played was encouraging, beside the trophies.

Meanwhile in this season we are playing crap football, showed clear attacking intent in only 3 games or so this season, our only trick is to defend and counter, (a style of play that was hated till Ole came and suddenly it's good enough) and the squad has regressed badly after the summer he got, with his signings also regressing as the season goes on. There is nothing in thwt air that can convince anyone that the future is positive or we are progressing, not the football, not the result, not the squad, nothing! A feeling that was never present in the first season of the previous 2 managers which the positively around the future was always around. More like anything this feels like the last season of LvG or Mourinho which that it's inevitable he is going to get sacked at one point.

You make some good points. My own point is that we are well within reach of our realistic objectives, top 4 and possibly a cup so this is a time for support if we can (in the market) and not to reset. Just wanted to write why i'm OleIn, not to convince anyone that they are wrong or right.

Let me ask you something. It is a reach i know, but given the lack of depth in some positions, do you think that had we had a fit Pogba and Martial for the season we could have had 5 or 6 more points at this point? I think it was a massive blow to lose Pogba with no other player capable of recreating his creativity and goal threat from mid.

 

[b82REZ]

You had me until Formula One.

Unless you're talking about us going around in circles dead fast... in which case i'd be intrigued how you dragged that out over 8 paragraphs... I'm back in.

 

[el3mel]

You make some good points. My own point is that we are well within reach of our realistic objectives, top 4 and possibly a cup so this is a time for support if we can (in the market) and not to reset. Just wanted to write why i'm OleIn, not to convince anyone that they are wrong or right.

Let me ask you something. It is a reach i know, but given the lack of depth in some positions, do you think that had we had a fit Pogba and Martial for the season we could have had 5 or 6 more points at this point? I think it was a massive blow to lose Pogba with no other player capable of recreating his creativity and goal threat from mid.

I'm not sure about Pogba. He had played in our pretty poor period during the end of last season and didn't seem to matter much. He's a player who plays well when the rest of the team is doing well, not someone who raises a team above its own level. Martial might have helped though, even though he's not typically a goal scoring machine, but Rashford was having a shocker back and Martial could have helped.

But at the end of the day you know injuries are part of football. It's impossible to approach a season having your best players fit through the whole season, or always having a well ready replacement for each big player injured. As a manager you always have to deal with injury crises.

 

[b82REZ]

It was Ole's decision not to replace Lukaku, Sanchez, Fellaini and Herrera.
I don’t think he said to the board 'please don’t buy anyone, what we have is good enough’. I think things are a little deeper than that.

It was Ole's decision to go into the season relying on 18 year old Mason Greenwood.
Ole has been relying on Rashford and Martial in attack. Greenwood hasn’t been starting every game so to say that Ole has been relying on him is a bit of a stretch.

It was Ole's decision to blow £85 million on Maguire when there were cheaper alternatives available.
Didn’t Mourinho try to bring him to the club the season before? (I might be wrong there). Of course there are plenty of cheaper options out there but does cheaper mean better? I think without Maguire we’d be in a worst position.

It was Ole's decision to keep shoehorning underperforming players like Lingard and Pereira into the side.
From the current squad/injuries who would you play in their places?

Ole has no experience of managing a world class side.
This is true. But Utd are currently not a world class. World famous yes but not world class. Do you know who has managed world class sides? LVG and Mourinho and they both failed here.

Ole has no tactical nous of breaking down teams that sit deep.
If he had only played under one of the worlds greatest managers he might of picked up a thing or two...

Ole does not know how to coach an attacking mentality into the players.
See my answer above.

Ole is responsible for us having the lowest points total at this stage in over 30 years. Worse than Moyes, LVG, Jose.
Moyes took over a Championship winning side.
LVG brought in 13 players at a cost of £258.5m
Jose brought in 11 players at a cost of £391.5m

Ole so far has brought in 3 players at a cost of £140m (all I think have improved us).
But most importantly he’s been getting rid of a lot of players that won’t take us forward.

Utd currently have 31pts and are 5th in the league.
At this stage during the 1989–90 season (does that fit into 'over 30 years'?) Utd had 24pts and were 15th in the league.

The then manager was?
Buzz if you know the answer.

Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.

Also making the assumption he'll be a good manager because he played under Fergie is delusion of the highest order. I mean how did it work out for Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Ince, Robson...

 

[jackal&hyde]

I'm not sure about Pogba. He had played in our pretty poor period during the end of last season and didn't seem to matter much. He's a player who plays well when the rest of the team is doing well, not someone who rises a team above its own level. Martial might have helped though, even though he's not typically a goal scoring machine, but Rashford was having a shocker back and Martial could have helped.

But at the end of the day you know injuries are part of football. It's impossible to approach a season having your best players fit through the whole season, or always having a well ready replacement for each big player injured. As a manager you always have to deal with injury crises.

I agree and that's why i was gutted when we didn't sign any creative mid last summer. When your mid is McTom, Matic and Fred we were always going to struggle to break teams down; we don't have the great crossing full backs that Liverpool do either, that's why i think Pogba's long term injury has been a massive blow and not having a plan B was such terrible judgment from the board/Ole.

 

[Enigma_87]

Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.

Also making the assumption he'll be a good manager because he played under Fergie is delusion of the highest order. I mean how did it work out for Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Ince, Robson...

Apparently if you played under a world class manager you automatically become one.

The whole post is laughable at best. Some of the newbies have hit the same levels as Ole's managerial acumen...

 

[patty123]

A bit? 7 bloody years. Would other fan bases from elite clubs accept this? We've all seen mostly success, does that mean we drop standards and become irrelevant like AC Milan? We've already become a top 4 trophy club like Arsenal, what next? A 30 year barren run without a PL like the scouse ?

Wow I bet if you were of age in 89 you be one with a placard with " ta ra fergie" on it. You mention liverpools 30 yrs, you do remember we went 26 and played far worse then they did in their missing yrs with so called better players back then, but then again, our players were more interested in pints not points back then.

 

[matt10000]

Utd currently have 31pts and are 5th in the league.
At this stage during the 1989–90 season (does that fit into 'over 30 years'?) Utd had 24pts and were 15th in the league.

The then manager was?
Buzz if you know the answer.

Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.

Why? Perhaps because the above is an indisputable fact that does not go along with your narrative!

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.

Also making the assumption he'll be a good manager because he played under Fergie is delusion of the highest order. I mean how did it work out for Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Ince, Robson...

Bruce has done pretty well. Not good enough for us, but still a solid job. Hughes has been mixed and I don't rate him highly tactically. Although he did better than I expected at Stoke. The rest not so much.
Ole did well in Norway.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

Why? Perhaps because the above is an indisputable fact that does not go along with your narrative!

Michael Phelps can swim. I can swim. I must be able to win a gold medal at the Olympics.

 

[Enigma_87]

Wow I bet if you were of age in 89 you be one with a placard with " ta ra fergie" on it. You mention liverpools 30 yrs, you do remember we went 26 and played far worse then they did in their missing yrs with so called better players back then, but then again, our players were more interested in pints not points back then.

We came 2 points off the title under Sexton in 79/80 when Liverpool were reigning two times EC champions.
Lost the league to Leeds in the final weeks just before PL was established. 2nd in 87/88.

Before Klopp joined Pool and in PL era they had 3 2nd places.

Apart from 1 CL to show for how did we play far worse?

 

[passing-wind]

LVG finished 4th in his first season and Mou finished 6th (winning the league cup and Europa). At the time of writing we are 5th (so in between) with a decent chance (close enough in points) to finish 4th and still part of all the cup competitions. So by your definition of managers deserving more money then Ole qualifies. Don't get me wrong, if we finish 8th or something then i'll be ok with searching for a new manager, but now he has done nothing less then the other two in their first seasons. It's really the big names that they have vs Ole that i think makes it such an unfair situation right now with the treatment he is getting from some fans. If his name was Poch i don't think he would have gotten 10% of the online abuse as he does now.

If the board backs him this window i'm reasonably confident he will do better then Mourinho in his first PL season with less money spent.

I've said since summer and how weak our rivals are if Solskjaer doesn't get top four then he deserves the door. People need to realise we don't have Klopp / SAF in charge, Ole needs to earn his stay.

 

[TRUERED89]

Wow I bet if you were of age in 89 you be one with a placard with " ta ra fergie" on it. You mention liverpools 30 yrs, you do remember we went 26 and played far worse then they did in their missing yrs with so called better players back then, but then again, our players were more interested in pints not points back then.

So because we went 26 years without a title, we just sit back and say its fine, we've won before? Imagine SAF had that attitude when Jose arrived in England the first time! We're actually finished, everything SMB and SAF worked relentlessly on to establish has been p!ssed on and set on fire! Thank you Ed!

 

[Foxbatt]

No we would not be above City or Liverpool but we will be above Leicester and Chelsea.

 

[jackal&hyde]

I've said since summer and how weak our rivals are if Solskjaer doesn't get top four then he deserves the door. People need to realise we don't have Klopp / SAF in charge, Ole needs to earn his stay.

Does that mean he has to perform better and faster then Klopp did at Pool? 8th and 4th was what he did his first 2 seasons and we know he is WC. We should expect more from Ole because he is not World Class? I'm confused.

 

[matt10000]

Michael Phelps can swim. I can swim. I must be able to win a gold medal at the Olympics.

If you a professional swimmer who has worked under Michael Phelps guidance then maybe you can.

 

[matt10000]

So because we went 26 years without a title, we just sit back and say its fine, we've won before? Imagine SAF had that attitude when Jose arrived in England the first time! We're actually finished, everything SMB and SAF worked relentlessly on to establish has been p!ssed on and set on fire! Thank you Ed!

No one is saying we went 26 years before so it is fine, just saying that it may not happen over night

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Trying not to sound deluded but it seems like what the Ole Out crowd cares about which is the bad tactics and style of play is not the cup of tea of the Ole In crowd and maybe even the board.

We've all concluded that the best thing for this club, a DOF is not going to happen. A DOF has been what we've needed since Ferguson left. The club has now become such a mess under this management that they've made it hard for the best coaches to fix it. What is needed still to get back to glory is a DOF, someone that has a long term vision, someone that wants to rebuild and someone that has the club's best interest at heart. But that's not going to happen with Ed, so what's the alternative.

Ole so far has shown he has a long term vision of the club, he has stated that the club is undergoing a rebuild and everything he is doing is for the club's best interest. Asides from the performances on the pitch, the club is in such a mess internally and Ole wants to fix that. In essence, tactics and style of play is not important compared to fixing the club structure which Ole is trying to do. If we sack Ole and bring in Klopp or Guardiola or Rose or Pochettino or Bielsa while all are far superior to Ole in tactics and style of play, they are not going to fix the structure of the club. Any of these coaches can come in and have us playing better but in the long run, the teribble club structure would remain the same since we don't have a DOF.

So based on the thinking of the Ole In crowd, the club structure needs to be fixed. Ole may be tactically inept but what's important now is fixing the club structure and he's the only one that can do this since we wouldnt be getting a DOF. Bringing in Guardiola won't do this, bringing in Nagelsmann wouldn't do this.

Ole may not be the man to win us titles and may not be good enough tactically to get us to play anything asides counter attacks but he can be the man to bring back direction to this club which is the most important thing we need right now.

Just my two cents on the perspective of those that support Ole

 

[Enigma_87]

If you a professional swimmer who has worked under Michael Phelps guidance then maybe you can.

So, for example if you have played under Rehhagel, Lattek, Trap, Hitzfeld and Heynckes you should be a fantastic manager right?

Wonder why it didn't work out for Matthäus then?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Why? Perhaps because the above is an indisputable fact that does not go along with your narrative!

Buzz if you know who had already taken that team from 21st to 2nd in his first 1.5 seasons before then.

Come on @matt10000 this is a fun game.

Making the same mistake as many in thinking SAF won patience at United because of the incredible job he did at Aberdeen is showing how clueless one is.

SAF earned patience and trust by the incredible job he was already doing at United.

How the funk has Ole earned any patience or trust during his spells at Molde, Cardiff or United ??

 

[pastyfool]

Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.

Also making the assumption he'll be a good manager because he played under Fergie is delusion of the highest order. I mean how did it work out for Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Ince, Robson...

The point being made was Solskjær has taken Utd to their lowest point tally at this stage of the season in over 30 years. I was showing this wasn't the case. Re: Assuming that he'll be a good manager because he played under Sir Alex. Isn't this place fuelled on assumptions?

 

[Fosu-Mens]

If you a professional swimmer who has worked under Michael Phelps guidance then maybe you can.

Maybe, believe, perhaps... What if I swam like a dog? And I thought that this type of swimming was faster than any other type and would surely win me a gold medal 4 years from now, despite comparing times to the best showed a vast difference in time? Should I continue swimming like a dog? Hoping/believing/Wishing that something will happen if I just swam more like a dog?

 

[TRUERED89]

No one is saying we went 26 years before so it is fine, just saying that it may not happen over night

It should of been fixed within 7 years is my point, not overnight obviously.

 

[TRUERED89]

Buzz if you know who had already taken that team from 21st to 2nd in his first 1.5 seasons before then.

21st ?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

21st ?

Yup

 

[TRUERED89]

Yup

86-87 (11th)
87-88 (2nd)
88-89 (11th)
89-90 (13th)
90-91 (6th)

Where has 21st come from ?