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So about that airliner no one suddenly seems to be giving any fecks about....
That’s not really their style though, is it? Certainly you’d have to keep an eye on the area around the Strait of Hormuz, Lebanon and Israel, Saudi Arabia and Yemen, etc.He's a bit out there for sure but it would be a logical strategy for a country like Iran to employ. Although maintaining such covert cells would have become much more difficult in the digital age I would have thought.
Yeah, the vast majority of his supporters will view it that way. Most of them probably agree on the nuclear deal with him anyway. Lets face it, the troops are staying in Iraq regardless.Yet that is the situation now and in your opinion this has proven to be a win for Trump.
Yeah, to be fair it would be a high cost for low reward strategy.That’s not really their style though, is it? Certainly you’d have to keep an eye on the area around the Strait of Hormuz, Lebanon and Israel, Saudi Arabia and Yemen, etc.
An attack on US soil would be suicide though.
That seems to sum it up, provided the immediate crisis is really over. It could be added that the situation of the Iraqi and Iranian opposition movements will probably worsen, but I doubt too many people in the West will care.Tweet
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The fact it’s viewed as a win for Trump because it’s some sort of pissing game when it’s quite clearly an absolutely monumental loss for the US just shows how disconnected the President is from the country he’s representing.
The loss of Soleimani might be considered a win for the Iranian regime as well...That was my take from the start but if you look at what Iran have lost vs what the US have lost then its a big win for Trump.
Indeed. And again - don't forget Eric Trump s tweet announcing the strike before it even happened which sent defense stocks way up. This is all about money, money and more money.The stock market has been crazy volatile to all this, it does feel very manipulated in accordance to the events.
If the hit on the US bases were to save face, and the US allowed this one time retaliation, with the objectives than laid out in Trump's speech, insiders would have become very very rich in the space of just 12 hours.
Really? For the most part it has been just slightly going up, like normal (bar in the morning when it went a bit down, but then got back level when it became clear that there won't be bar). Of course, some individual stocks always go up and down but I don't think it has been a big deal.The stock market has been crazy volatile to all this, it does feel very manipulated in accordance to the events.
If the hit on the US bases were to save face, and the US allowed this one time retaliation, with the objectives than laid out in Trump's speech, insiders would have become very very wealthy in the space of just 12 hours.
Index's were down almost 2% overnight when news broke and had fully recovered by the morning, And then jumped 1% after Trump spoke. 3% swing in 12 hours is crazyReally? For the most part it has been just slightly going up, like normal (bar in the morning when it went a bit down, but then got back level when it became clear that there won't be bar). Of course, some individual stocks always go up and down but I don't think it has been a big deal.
Any links to this? Seems a little suspect Iran would hit again after today.Sirens in the Green Zone in Baghdad (where the American Embassy is). Apparently two missiles were fired and explosions have been heard.
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War in Iran would be very difficult for Western forces. You can’t compare the geography of Iraq & Iran, the former is a quarter the size & basically flat, the latter is far more like Afghanistan & huge. To think the West would roll through Iran like they initially did in Iraq is foolish.Anyone who believes Iran would be a match for the US and/or any coalition needs a reality check. Using Iraq and Afghanistan to prove this point is mute as Western Forces have developed and learnt significantly since these conflicts for the reasons already outlined. The technology and tactics are much improved. Tried and tested so to speak. Western Forces are far better designed to cope with another war in the region than they were in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Ammosexuals are sometimes quick to shoot themselves with their own objects of lust.It really feels like they wank off to that s***, bet half of them can't fire an assault rifle without losing their balance.
Where’s that from?The Trumpite misinformation campaign has been a success.
If they wanted to they could if the will was there, could they keep and hold it is a different matter. Certainly the US could reduce Iran to a militia country with no hope of nuclear program for a decade, which is ultimately what the US want. People need to stop thinking America cares what happens on a humanitarian scale. America could do this in a month, yes Iran could still fight but their nuclear/midsole program would take a thrashing.War in Iran would be very difficult for Western forces. You can’t compare the geography of Iraq & Iran, the former is a quarter the size & basically flat, the latter is far more like Afghanistan & huge. To think the West would roll through Iran like they initially did in Iraq is foolish.
The Trumpite misinformation campaign has been a success.
We could definitely hinder their nuclear program, but we already did before. We could do that with cyber a la Stuxnet, it would be more difficult now, but feasible. To think that we could accomplish bigger goals than that (regime change, capitulation of military, complete public sentiment sway, control of Strait of Hormuz) is small minded & foolish. We could inflict damage, but they could use (potentially nuclear tipped, but not necessarily needed) Sunburns on our Fifth Fleet in the Gulf / at port in Bahrain in the first hour of conflict, then turn off the Strait of Hormuz soon after, plunging the world’s economy into chaos overnight.If they wanted to they could if the will was there, could they keep and hold it is a different matter. Certainly the US could reduce Iran to a militia country with no hope of nuclear program for a decade, which is ultimately what the US want. People need to stop thinking America cares what happens on a humanitarian scale. America could do this in a month, yes Iran could still fight but their nuclear/midsole program would take a thrashing.
Circa 1930 is circa 2020. The Nazis would be proud their vision is still holding forth in 2020 & being employed by the current admin.Joseph Goebbels On Propaganda
- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
- There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyways always yield to the stronger, and this will always be ‘the man in the street.’ Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.
- The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitive. In the long run basic results in influencing public opinion will be achieved only by the man who is able to reduce problems to the simplest terms.
Although this is much needed, Trump would ignore it anyway and the move will just be spun as proof of more hatred of Trump by the bitter anti-American Democratic party who don't want the USA to defend itself.Nancy Pelosi says House WILL vote to limit Donald Trump's power to go to war with Iran accusing him of having NO 'coherent strategy' to 'keep Americans safe'
Trump looking more and more like the spoilt man child that he is.
Iran is presented as a major regional power, but that is not the reality, at least in military terms. It would be outgunned massively by the US, and any war would be short-lived up to the point of rendering the current regime untenable and destroying all the key military and infrastructure targets (including the nuclear facilities). The problem would not be the initial invasion, but any subsequent occupation phase. The US may be able to achieve all of its objectives without subduing the whole country, and without the need for a lengthy occupation though.War in Iran would be very difficult for Western forces. You can’t compare the geography of Iraq & Iran, the former is a quarter the size & basically flat, the latter is far more like Afghanistan & huge. To think the West would roll through Iran like they initially did in Iraq is foolish.
Of course all this assumes the US would deploy conventional warfare whereas it has arguably accomplished much more through covert ops over the years. It is one of the primary reasons Putin hates Hillary so much - because he accuses her of fanning the flames of the protests against his regime several years ago.Iran is presented as a major regional power, but that is not the reality, at least in military terms. It would be outgunned massively by the US, and any war would be short-lived up to the point of rendering the current regime untenable and destroying all the key military and infrastructure targets (including the nuclear facilities). The problem would not be the initial invasion, but any subsequent occupation phase. The US may be able to achieve all of its objectives without subduing the whole country, and without the need for a lengthy occupation though.
It may be happy to make an example of Iran by simply trashing it - reducing it to a failed state with no government or military to speak of - then walking away - i.e. playing no part in rebuilding the state or shaping its future. Iran on its own would be powerless to prevent such an act of vandalism, and it is doubtful that its strategic partnerships with Russia and China would translate into any kind of meaningful military support in the event of a major conflict with the US. If it suffered such a fate, it would take decades for it to recover.
My understanding is that the US would be violating international law if it embarked on a war to remove the current regime with no plan for facilitating the transition to a post-war government, but I don't imagine Trump would see this as a problem as he knows the US would never be held to account.
The problem is that the whole concept of international law and a rules based order breaks down if the most powerful nation on the planet doesn't choose to conform. A war between the US and Iran may not be especially dangerous (to the rest of the world) in itself, but its legacy could be the terminal failure of the structures designed to maintain peace and order in the world.
Iran would be fecked. The americans can fecked them up.Iran is presented as a major regional power, but that is not the reality, at least in military terms. It would be outgunned massively by the US, and any war would be short-lived up to the point of rendering the current regime untenable and destroying all the key military and infrastructure targets (including the nuclear facilities). The problem would not be the initial invasion, but any subsequent occupation phase. The US may be able to achieve all of its objectives without subduing the whole country, and without the need for a lengthy occupation though.
It may be happy to make an example of Iran by simply trashing it - reducing it to a failed state with no government or military to speak of - then walking away - i.e. playing no part in rebuilding the state or shaping its future. Iran on its own would be powerless to prevent such an act of vandalism, and it is doubtful that its strategic partnerships with Russia and China would translate into any kind of meaningful military support in the event of a major conflict with the US. If it suffered such a fate, it would take decades for it to recover.
My understanding is that the US would be violating international law if it embarked on a war to remove the current regime with no plan for facilitating the transition to a post-war government, but I don't imagine Trump would see this as a problem as he knows the US would never be held to account.
The problem is that the whole concept of international law and a rules based order breaks down if the most powerful nation on the planet doesn't choose to conform. A war between the US and Iran may not be especially dangerous (to the rest of the world) in itself, but its legacy could be the terminal failure of the structures designed to maintain peace and order in the world.
Not just your admin either. It's the same policy used world over by right winged nationalist cnutsCirca 1930 is circa 2020. The Nazis would be proud their vision is still holding forth in 2020 & being employed by the current admin.
Viral post on going around on Facebook in South Trumpolina.Where’s that from?
If the thought of 5 more years of agent trump doesn't unite them then they deserve everything that comesAll polls put Dems winning the election, his approval is on low forties, and people seem to not want a war (bar the crazy nutters who still think that the Iraq war was a great idea). Add to the fact that he did not build a wall and didn’t bring troops home.
It is Dems to lose. Which they will probably do with all the Intra-fighting (especially from the left part of the party).
It’s only temporary. The Iranians know they can’t win a hot war with the US and will over time use proxies to strike back in odd places the US wouldn’t ordinarily expect. Hezbollah have in the past been used to go after targets from Argentina to Bulgaria to Thailand, and have even managed to get operatives into the US. Embassies in unusual places will likely be the targets over the next couple of years.Thank feck that Iran are mature and sensible regime willing to de-escalate. It's difficult dealing with a war-obsessed US that has a murder and death fetish, but the Iranian solution managed it perfectly.
What's the odds a MILITARY base has no one on site when even walmart has a sleep in securities to the very least.Switzerland (US representative in Iran) also confirmed that the two sides exchanged several messages before the rocket strike on the US bases, which would support your thought.
I'd also say that if trump.looses the election in 2020 (or if not then in 2024) trump buildings and family may be targets as well as I suspect they will have reduced security once he's left officeEmbassies in unusual places will likely be the targets over the next couple of years.
Only the manufacturer is worried, because is another Boeing serious crash in a short period of time. And the airline is a quite reliable one that flies all over the world from the Americas to Asia and they have a very good safety history (not so good reviews in terms of flight services, but that's a different story).So about that airliner no one suddenly seems to be giving any fecks about....
The US would be perfectly happy to use conventional methods against a foe it knew it outgunned massively, and would still have covert options available as well. It would be much more likely to favour an entirely covert strategy against a more capable foe (e.g. Russia or China).Of course all this assumes the US would deploy conventional warfare whereas it has arguably accomplished much more through covert ops over the years. It is one of the primary reasons Putin hates Hillary so much - because he accuses her of fanning the flames of the protests against his regime several years ago.
My beliefs are actually much closer to Sanders and Warren than Biden (though I see merits on Bloomberg too, and so think that he is the only one who will do something about the massive debt, and Yang is the only one who is giving logical answers and talking for many problems the other seem to not care about, though I don’t like his social credit thing). However, the vicious attacks have come almost entirely from the left (not Warren or Sanders personally, but Bernie bros and now AOC).I expect you notice them more because they invoke a bigger reaction and resonate with you more. In contrast when you see the left candidates criticised you shrug and subconsciously dismiss it as sensible criticisms of radical ideas.
Right now, I imagine Trump would be very quick to point the finger at Iran if any kind of action against US assets or interests occurred. Iran absolutely cannot afford a direct conflict with the US, and the real threat may be that a faction sympathetic to Iran takes action that the regime hasn't sanctioned, and Trump uses that as a premise for an attack (I don't see him waiting on the outcome of any prolonged investigation).It’s only temporary. The Iranians know they can’t win a hot war with the US and will over time use proxies to strike back in odd places the US wouldn’t ordinarily expect. Hezbollah have in the past been used to go after targets from Argentina to Bulgaria to Thailand, and have even managed to get operatives into the US. Embassies in unusual places will likely be the targets over the next couple of years.