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Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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simonhch said:
We don't need to make up facts to illustrate what a poor manager he's been for us. We see evidence of it on the field every week. His record is bad but this 27% is just nonsense made up on social media and people should be more discerning about where they get their news.

His overall win record is 49% and his record since taking over as permanent manager is 40.5%. Nowhere near this spurious 27% number, but still bad.
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Manchester United
Played 21
Win 8
Win % : 8 / 21 = 38%

EDIT: Most debate would be whether to include his 15 wins in a row for his overall or omit it. Personally I don't think it matters, when the number of games played getting bigger the 15 wins becomes less of a factor. Ole is shit enough even if you include his first 15 games (which is pure luck). If his first 15 games aren't luck, why can't he reproduce it? Or at least any semblance of it? The more time he got on our squad, the more deadwood he sold, the more players he brought it, the worse we play. How is this possible?

SAF/Klopp/Pep/Ancelotti/Jose, all good managers needs time, but one thing is their team gets better with time, to the very least time allows them to instill their ideas to the field (Exception if they get to their end of the road, Jose/Poch last season is a good example). Our team got more clueless, more disorganized, got more deadwoods each passing days. How is that possible if Ole actually know what he's doing? Very simple question.
 
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simonhch said:
We don't need to make up facts to illustrate what a poor manager he's been for us. We see evidence of it on the field every week. His record is bad but this 27% is just nonsense made up on social media and people should be more discerning about where they get their news.

His overall win record is 49% and his record since taking over as permanent manager is 40.5%. Nowhere near this spurious 27% number, but still bad.
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His PL win-rate since taking over as permanent manager (as I don't think games vs. Astana, Colchester or Rochdale help here)

28 March 2019 - May 2019:
8 games - 2 wins
25%

August 2019 - 10 Jan 2020
21 games - 8 wins
38%

Overall since taking over as permanent:
29 games - 10 wins
34.5%

I don't personally think it's fair to use last seasons results in this argument, but this year absolutely, he had a full January 2019 including a trip to Dubai, a full half season, a full pre-season and 150m spent in the Summer.
 

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simonhch said:
We don't need to make up facts to illustrate what a poor manager he's been for us. We see evidence of it on the field every week. His record is bad but this 27% is just nonsense made up on social media and people should be more discerning about where they get their news.

His overall win record is 49% and his record since taking over as permanent manager is 40.5%. Nowhere near this spurious 27% number, but still bad.
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:D

It's 38% mate.
 

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Sandikan said:
Ducker tweeting the same sentiments as that random accout from last night now.

We're definitely near the end. When your manager, who is usually overly positive, says a game is the worst they've ever played then you know you're in big trouble.

When can Poch come in though? What will we do for 4-5months? Another caretaker?
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Caretaker, get a DOF, let the DOF hire a head coach.

We must not feck this up.
 

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- 27 % win rate
- Troll account with 50 followers being treated as gospel
- Imaginary tweet from Ducker

Trump would be proud if he saw this thread.
 

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Sandikan said:
Ducker tweeting the same sentiments as that random accout from last night now.

We're definitely near the end. When your manager, who is usually overly positive, says a game is the worst they've ever played then you know you're in big trouble.

When can Poch come in though? What will we do for 4-5months? Another caretaker?
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Poch can come in tomorrow if the board are willing to pay the £12m he would lose if he manages another club before the season ends. I'm hoping we already have a plan in place for him already and if that's the case there's no point getting rid of Ole before then unless Phelan takes over as caretaker. God forbid he has a managers bounce. That really would question my loyalty towards United.
 

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Skills said:
Caretaker, get a DOF, let the DOF hire a head coach.

We must not feck this up.
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DOF then caretaker which gives the DOF the remainder of the season assess things and lay the groundwork for the summer where we should appoint a new manager and look to sign five players. Anything less or another sentimental shortcut will blow up on us.
 

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Forevergiggs1 said:
Poch can come in tomorrow if the board are willing to pay the £12m he would lose if he manages another club before the season ends. I'm hoping we already have a plan in place for him already and if that's the case there's no point getting rid of Ole before then unless Phelan takes over as caretaker. God forbid he has a managers bounce. That really would question my loyalty towards United.
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We would also have to pay Ole's termination bringing the total cost of the switch to at least 20 or 30-something plus million. It seems waiting till the end of the season may be the wiser option.
 

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AneRu said:
DOF then caretaker which gives the DOF the remainder of the season assess things and lay the groundwork for the summer where we should appoint a new manager and look to sign five players. Anything less or another sentimental shortcut will blow up on us.
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I don't understand why we need to wait for a DOF to get a caretaker? The caretakers literally there to end this pisstake of a season, by giving us at least a small chance of competing. The DOF can come in, assess the squad, do what he needs to do and get a permanent head coach in for the summer.
 

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Skills said:
I don't understand why we need to wait for a DOF to get a caretaker? The caretakers literally there to end this pisstake of a season, by giving us at least a small chance of competing. The DOF can come in, assess the squad, do what he needs to do and get a permanent head coach in for the summer.
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Ok that's fair enough but WE ABSOLUTELY must avoid bringing in the next permanent manager without a DOF.
 

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Greck said:
We would also have to pay Ole's termination bringing the total cost of the switch to at least 20 or 30-something plus million. It seems waiting till the end of the season may be the wiser option.
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If the club were smart (which with money they normally are) they could of had a clause stating if Ole failed to make top 4 he could be terminated and any wages due forfeited. Ole would of signed that in a heartbeat. But I'm sure the club would go down their normal path and bung Ole a few million for his silence. Agree though if it adds an extra 20-30 million to the transfer budget I wouldn't mind waiting either.
 

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I don't believe that ole is one for the long run at all but equally well there is no point in sacking him now. Rather wait till the summer and see where we end up

Our current position in the table is actually a very accurate reflection of the quality of the squad. Don't believe anyone would say that we have a better squad than any of the teams above us.

Liverpool, city, Leicester, Chelsea are all in better shape than us in terms of quality of players available
 

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zenith said:
I don't believe that ole is one for the long run at all but equally well there is no point in sacking him now. Rather wait till the summer and see where we end up

Our current position in the table is actually a very accurate reflection of the quality of the squad. Don't believe anyone would say that we have a better squad than any of the teams above us.

Liverpool, city, Leicester, Chelsea are all in better shape than us in terms of quality of players available
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You say that because under this management we look every bit a 6th placed squad.

Leicester just 12 months ago with the same squad minus their best CB (who we took) looked every bit a 10th placed squad.

Funny what a top manager can do.
 

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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
You say that because under this management we look every bit a 6th placed squad.

Leicester just 12 months ago with the same squad minus their best CB (who we took) looked every bit a 10th placed squad.

Funny what a top manager can do.
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That's true. Good coaching skills can make a world of difference, though in our current state I'm not certain that is true.

It's still ok to have a squad a little low on quality and to get them preforming, but a squad like ours is such a mess between various kinds of philosophies, playing styles, etc etc that it represents nobody's vision.

Now, finally we seem to have something close to an agenda in place, with respect to the type of players we need, the right age profile and cultural fit and it that sense we have hit the reset button.

We are halfway to clearing the deadwood in the squad and all it'll take is one good summer to complete this clean up, sort out the midfield and supplement the attack.

Then by all means, if ole is still not able to get them to perform, he should be fired. But sacking him right now will end whatever little good has happened to date in terms of squad reset.
 

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Honestly say you want about Ole but our recruitment strategy is an absolute farce. He’s not stood much of a chance.
 

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So he has just about confirmed they'll be no signings this month. Falls on him now whatever may happen.
 

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If he plays Maguire tomorrow I'll be furious. Just let the bloke get 100% fit, I'm so sick of Ole playing injured or half fit players and making our problems even worse.
 

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JoaquinJoaquin said:
Work the games out and the wins, it is 38%. But you can choose to believe whatever, I'm not bothered to be honest. Fact is, he is an awful manager regardless.
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:lol: the post you quoted and particularly the part you bolded, was talking about his overall record. The only way you can come to 38% is if you ignore the caretaker period. I think you got confused back there, and then dug yourself in.
 

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Doesn't show a huge amount of faith from the Glazers and Woodward does it?
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Either that or they wouldn't give money to anyone at the moment. I do wonder if there is a sale coming up within the next year or so and they are just out to spend as little as possible because of that. Or even worse they won't spend and there is no sale coming up.
 

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mu4c_20le said:
:lol: the post you quoted and particularly the part you bolded, was talking about his overall record. The only way you can come to 38% is if you ignore the caretaker period. I think you got confused back there, and then dug yourself in.
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The funny thing is, the MEN actually are wrong. His overall record is 31 wins in 61 matches = 50.8%. Source.

That is still nothing to shout about, seeing as Di Matteo & Benitez were sacked at Chelsea with 59% (source) & 58% (source) records respectively.

One thing is certain, he's hopelessly out of depth and his impending sacking is a matter of when, not if.
 
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