The “Ole In” Brigade

Just because a volatile Mourinho was a mistake, doesn’t mean a forward thinking, modern manager will do the same! Have we tried that yet?

We have to live with the mistakes of the past, but that doesn’t mean we have to continue to make them.

Would you swap that squad with Sheffield United, Southampton, Newcastle, Crystal Palace or Burnley?

Because they are all within 4 points of us after 24 games.
I'd sooner have a good portion of Sheffield United's players than the deadwood shit (a good portion of which were signed and/or extended, on wages that no club would come near, by previous managers) we've got raking it in by the millions every week. Absolutely.

At least there is half a chance they'll still have professional pride after their first visit to the cashpoint after signing for us.
 
It's ridiculously bad.

Imagine in May 2019 someone told you our line up for an important PL game in 2020 would be (common opinions at the time):

De Gea (past his best)
Williams (who? youth team)
Maguire (Leicester)
Jones (useless)
Wan Bissaka (Palace)
Fred (pretty useless)
Matic (finished)
James (Swansea)
Pereira (useless)
Mata (finished)
Martial

Bench
Greenwood (who? Youth team)
Lingard (useless)

I don't want to make excuses for tonight. I expected to win because Burnley are terrible. But is it really that surprising we didn't?


@Leftback99 do you think if we'd hired Conte last March, he would have the squad we have now and have us on a 37% win rate?
 
Do that for the Burnley squad. Seems that you always argue everyone else has a better team/squad than United.
Do you disagree with it? Be honest about what you would have thought at the time. You can admit it's not very good without losing face.

I made my point about Burnley at the bottom. I still expected to win.
 
appointing a new boss wont change jack shit. Now with the incompetent Woodward and his side kick the inept Judge running recruitment and long term football strategy. They literally hamstring any manager

That's BS though because our managers have clearly brought their own choices when it comes to recrutement and staff, they have all tried to build a team at their image and since none of them had experience at doing it or weren't good, they all failed. We can blame Woodward for hiring these managers or not creating a structure that would prevent managers from always trying to destroy what their predecessor did but we can't say that they hamstrung the managers.

Our managers shoot in their own feet and people blame someone else for not preventing it.
 
I'd sooner have a good portion of Sheffield United's players than the deadwood shit (a good portion of which were signed and/or extended, on wages that no club would come near, by previous managers) we've got raking it in by the millions every week. Absolutely.

At least there is half a chance they'll still have professional pride after their first visit to the cashpoint after signing for us.

It’s the manager who breeds that spirit in the squad. No offense to Sheffield United but they are extremely limited. It’s all down to Wilder who has them playing well above themselves in a good system where everyone clearly knows their roles.

We have far more quality than them, FAR more. What we need is a coach to come in, add a few more players, motivate the team and put a system in place where they can be given a real opportunity to shine. These young players can be moulded into something and we are just going to throw it away.

An old, bitter Mourinho and a clueless Ole is not that chance.
 
I keep hearing from the Ole fangirls that he’s got rid of deadwood, at the same time they would give there left testicle for Herrera and maybe Fellaini to still be here. Enough said!
 
I'd sooner have a good portion of Sheffield United's players than the deadwood shit (a good portion of which were signed and/or extended, on wages that no club would come near, by previous managers) we've got raking it in by the millions every week. Absolutely.

At least there is half a chance they'll still have professional pride after their first visit to the cashpoint after signing for us.

:lol:

You can't be serious.
 
I keep hearing from the Ole fangirls that he’s got rid of deadwood, at the same time they would give there left testicle for Herrera and maybe Fellaini to still be here. Enough said!
Well getting rid of the deadwood is always a good idea. Not replacing them is a poor idea though.
 
With the same injuries? More likely better, but chance it could be worse. Do you need to quote a % in every post?

Yes, to highlight the embarrassment of it.

The you honestly think Conte would have allowed the daft "United way" mass exodus that has left us so exposed shows you can't look at this critically. Conte would have kept a strong squad, got the best out of players and made sure that a rebuild was done with the present also in mind.

Thinking it could of been worse :lol:

Do you honestly think Liverpool should bother giving Klopp all that money? or just hand it to his assistant for 1/4 of the wage?
 
Do you disagree with it? Be honest about what you would have thought at the time. You can admit it's not very good without losing face.

I made my point about Burnley at the bottom. I still expected to win.
Current season and a gutted team thanks to Ole?

Under better manager we would've been top 4 easily, considering how crap the other top teams have been.

Miles off the likes of City and Liverpool of course, but change Rodgers and Ole and it will made a world of difference.

Did you watch the game? The finished Matic was probably our best player with two incisive passes in the first half which could ended up in goals. Fred has been pretty good lately, Rashford has been one of the best attackers in the league this season. DDG is doing ok - not brilliantly but better than last year. Maguire, AWB, James - weren't those hailed as fantastic coups by the "Ole In brigade" and the reason why he is in the job?

McTom has been pretty good. The likes of Lingard and Pereira constantly get chance after chance because they are his favorites and one of whom he gave a new big fat contract.

We have a very short team - thanks to him, yet our first team, under a better manager(even with injuries) would've turned a lot of those lost points into victories..

And don't start on the injuries, Spurs have had almost everyone in the team injured at some point, Arsenal had their usual amount of sidelined players, whilst even Norwich can't field a proper back 4 for months.
 
Anybody who is Ole in at this point is naturally supporting the decline of the club.
 
Whilst there are far larger problems at the club, lack of direction, lack of dof etc Ole’s time is up now.
Clueless attacking, no discernible style beyond an occasional counter attack.
We have got players good enough for top 4, we are being hopelessly mismanaged.
It’s not even true ‘mismanagement’ ie a bad style or wrong tactics it’s just a complete lack of either which is more damning.
Say what you like about lvg at least he had a style.
Go now ole please, do not make me hate you.
 
I said it with Jose, sacking him won't fix the mess but it had got to the point where we absolutely had to go. The football was shite and the atmosphere was toxic. He had to go even though there wasn't any real candidate available to replace him at the time.

Now with Ole, the atmosphere isn't bad and the players still are saying Ole's the right man etc. But the football and results are shite. The main reason why I'm Ole has to go is because I believe the right man is available.
If Pochettino came in I feel like we really wouldn't do much. Only so much you can do when you have to deal with the Glazers and Woodward. Spurs at least were able to drive hard bargains. We have an idiot in charge who brags about our spending power but then refuses to meet asking prices... because other teams respond to that "spending power" by asking for a little bit extra. And then shit falls through. Put Pochettino in charge of the squad we've had this season, and we would be no better off IMO. He's obviously a quality manager and better than Ole, but we wouldn't be able to do whats needed to support Pochettino in the first place.
 
45 percent of the goals we have conceded so far this season are from dead ball situations either corners or free kicks, surely this is down to the manager and coaching staff both too recognise and rectify in training. They clearly have failed to do this, so this is only one aspect of the team management and coaching where improvement could be made with better quality coaching and management to over see that coaching.

It's been mentioned a lot over these last few months but something that's not been rectified along with many other weaknesses in our game.
 
Tonight wasn't good enough. But then there's no excuses for Martial and Mata missing the chances they did.

You make it sound like we're the only team that misses chances. If Sterling scored his missed chances we would of lost by 6. If Salah scored his missed chances we would of lost by 4 or 5 and that's only in the last couple of weeks. Plenty of teams miss good chances against us.
 
Yes, to highlight the embarrassment of it.

The you honestly think Conte would have allowed the daft "United way" mass exodus that has left us so exposed shows you can't look at this critically. Conte would have kept a strong squad, got the best out of players and made sure that a rebuild was done with the present also in mind.

Thinking it could of been worse :lol:

Do you honestly think Liverpool should bother giving Klopp all that money? or just hand it to his assistant for 1/4 of the wage?
Yes just assume everything would have gone to Conte's plan, Woodward would have given him everything he wanted, these overpaid average players would have all loved Conte and given their all for him.
It's never that straightforward and definitely won't be under the next manager whoever it is. There's always a chance things could be worse.
 
Guess which one are We?
1. Great owner with a long term vision and money + Great manager = Huge chance of success
2. Clueless owner but with a lot of money + Great manager = Big chance of success
3. Great owner with a long term vision and money + Bad manager = Small chance of success / will only succeed in a league where there's no competition
4. Clueless owner but with a lot of money + Bad manager = Small chance of success / Midtable mediocrity
5. Clueless owner with no money + Bad manager = Relegation
 
I’m Ole in. I’m not happy with our current run of results or our performances in general this season, but still feel the long term plan of Brexit FC is a good one. I can appreciate others will disagree.

For me, the British youth is currently the best in the world and it’s not wrong trying to build a team out of that. Some patience will be required and it’s going to be shit for a while, but it will get better and we will be trailblazers again. Got to keep the faith guys. This is what foresight looks like before it becomes hindsight.
What long term plan? Ole is tactically inept. He is unproven, inexperienced, as is 90% of his coaching team. Ship without a rudder.
 
I'm compiling a list of all you fecking whining cnuts that want Ole sacked so when he is sacked and we have the same shit squad with a new manager churning out the same shit results under the same ownership with Woodward at the helm I can chime in here and say, "now what?"

:lol:

I don't even care anymore. Until the owners or Woodward is chucked out, it's all the same. I'll still watch matches but I stopped letting it ruin my day several years ago. I suggest you all do the same. Life is too short to cry over something you can't change.
Yeah. Most sensible thing to do.
 
Apart from Young who is this deadwood? We are still paying fecking Sanchez’s wages for gods sake!
Darmian, Valencia, Fellaini, Smalling, Lukaku, have all featured on many people's lists of players we don't want over the past couple of years. They are now no longer here. Mata, Matic, Lingard, Jones, Rojo among others are probably needing moved on sooner rather than later too. Getting rid of average players IS a good plan, and we have been needing to do it for years. Again though, we need to actually replace them properly or the plan kind of falls apart.
 
Ole just isn’t good enough to manage this club. Yes he gave us a morale boost in the back end of last season but he’s not shown any signs for me that he’s creating a style of play we can build on.

In pre-season he gave all this talk that we’d be the hardest working team in the league and that we’d play a high press but after a few weeks there was no sign of an organised press anymore. When the front 3 do decide to press now there’s barely any coordination and no thought about cutting off passing angles. That’s down to the coaching staff not drilling the patterns into the players.

When it comes to the attack we always play the pass too late or play one pass too many, too many players taking too much time on the ball and no one making runs in behind or on the overlap.

The most telling thing though is how abysmal we are at defending set pieces which is almost entirely down to the manager. It’s clear the zonal system isn’t working and teams are coming to Old Trafford knowing that if they stay compact they have every chance of nicking a goal from a set piece which was exactly Burnley’s game plan tonight. And it worked to a tee.
 
Yes just assume everything would have gone to Conte's plan, Woodward would have given him everything he wanted, these overpaid average players would have all loved Conte and given their all for him.

Hopeless.

Ok, Ole and Conte... same thing, just as good as each other?

Or not, Conte much better? but in Leftbacks eyes that means little, a top coach over a poor one means a point or 2 a season. Coaching/management is just 1% of everything.

Have you heard yourself?
 
I'm compiling a list of all you fecking whining cnuts that want Ole sacked so when he is sacked and we have the same shit squad with a new manager churning out the same shit results under the same ownership with Woodward at the helm I can chime in here and say, "now what?"

:lol:

I don't even care anymore. Until the owners or Woodward is chucked out, it's all the same. I'll still watch matches but I stopped letting it ruin my day several years ago. I suggest you all do the same. Life is too short to cry over something you can't change.

At least you realise he will be sacked. And when that happens it will be so interesting to see which club will want to hire such an amazing manager, not even Molde will.
 
Anybody who is Ole in at this point is naturally supporting the decline of the club.
I'm sorry but that's absolute utter rubbish.

The people that blame the manager year after year whilst letting the Glazers get off scot free season after season are the one's that are naturally supporting the decline of the club.

Forget the manager at this stage, this now goes way beyond the manager. The Glazers now have to be put firmly under the spotlight. No manager will thrive under them. It's totally unacceptable what they are doing to this club.
 
Put Pochettino in charge of the squad we've had this season, and we would be no better off IMO.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He is a substantially better manager than Solskjaer.

I agree though, that there isn't a manager out there who, by themselves, sorts this need out. But Poch is the right manager that we need to make the necessary changes under. Putting it differently, I don't think Ole, even under the right ownership, is good enough. Whereas Poch, under the right owners, would be sensational for us.
 
I'm sorry but that's absolute utter rubbish.

The people that blame the manager year after year whilst letting the Glazers get off scot free season after season are the one's that are naturally supporting the decline of the club.

Forget the manager at this stage, this now goes way beyond the manager. The Glazers now have to be put firmly under the spotlight. No manager will thrive under them. It's totally unacceptable what they are doing to this club.

I don't disagree with what you're saying but to say that Ole isn't a problem is absolute rubbish and as long as he is the manager we are going nowhere. Not only that, but as long as we have these owners the club is going nowhere. You can't tell me a more qualified manager wouldn't have better results than what we have been seeing this season.
 
Yes just assume everything would have gone to Conte's plan, Woodward would have given him everything he wanted, these overpaid average players would have all loved Conte and given their all for him.
It's never that straightforward and definitely won't be under the next manager whoever it is. There's always a chance things could be worse.
Inter last year - made 4th spot on the last day and were fortunate not to concede another goal in the last 10 minutes, I mean really fortunate if you seen the game.

21 points behind Juventus.

In comes Conte and his biggest signings is apparently one useless forward according to the caf.

This season they were 1st couple of weeks ago and are only 4 points off Juve as things stand today.

But yeah if Inter appointed Solskjaer it would have been the same right?
 
Anybody who is Ole in at this point is naturally supporting the decline of the club.

I'd actually be okay with us being relegated right now (may happen next season if Ole is still here) - it would be the only way the Glazers and their prize idiot Woodward bugger off.

I love United but I genuinely hate this team, I'll always support this club, premier league winners or playing in the championship I dont care, I do care about the people running this club so appallingly that it has it's own supporters split into factions.
 
I'm sorry but that's absolute utter rubbish.

The people that blame the manager year after year whilst letting the Glazers get off scot free season after season are the one's that are naturally supporting the decline of the club.

Forget the manager at this stage, this now goes way beyond the manager. The Glazers now have to be put firmly under the spotlight. No manager will thrive under them. It's totally unacceptable what they are doing to this club.
In what world "people are letting the Glazers off scot free"? They have been under pressure ever since the take over. People are chanting them off every single game.

The only one who is getting a free ride here is Ole.
 
Yes just assume everything would have gone to Conte's plan, Woodward would have given him everything he wanted, these overpaid average players would have all loved Conte and given their all for him.
It's never that straightforward and definitely won't be under the next manager whoever it is. There's always a chance things could be worse.
Do you honestly believe this? Do you honestly think that any competent manager could put up a worse record than Ole since he became permanent manager? He's won something like 29% of his Premier League games since becoming permanent manager (someone please correct me if I have that number wrong but I think it's in the ballpark). It can't get worse than that. You or I could win as many games as Ole and I'm not even kidding.
 
Current season and a gutted team thanks to Ole?

Under better manager we would've been top 4 easily, considering how crap the other top teams have been.

Miles off the likes of City and Liverpool of course, but change Rodgers and Ole and it will made a world of difference.

Did you watch the game? The finished Matic was probably our best player with two incisive passes in the first half which could ended up in goals. Fred has been pretty good lately, Rashford has been one of the best attackers in the league this season. DDG is doing ok - not brilliantly but better than last year. Maguire, AWB, James - weren't those hailed as fantastic coups by the "Ole In brigade" and the reason why he is in the job?

McTom has been pretty good. The likes of Lingard and Pereira constantly get chance after chance because they are his favorites and one of whom he gave a new big fat contract.

We have a very short team - thanks to him, yet our first team, under a better manager(even with injuries) would've turned a lot of those lost points into victories..

And don't start on the injuries, Spurs have had almost everyone in the team injured at some point, Arsenal had their usual amount of sidelined players, whilst even Norwich can't field a proper back 4 for months.
You would have said it was a pretty average looking side 8 months ago though and wouldn't expect it to win many PL games. Suddenly now it's good enough and Ole should be doing far better with it.

On the injuries, all those teams are below us so I'm not sure what your point is there. They have obviously been hampered by it.