Look, I'm not in the Kobe camp by any stretch but a settlement is not the same as an admission of guilt. I'm not sure why you quoted me with this information - the civil trial against OJ was an absolute landslide for the prosecutors and can't really be compared.
Fair enough.
Which is a fair position to take, but are you really that desperate to tell everyone else off who thinks that maybe he didn't do it, or weren't aware of it, but were hit by the sudden death of him and his daughter? The first post in the original RIP thread was literally minutes in to people finding out, blunt as feck, and clearly done just to shit on everyone else. Is it any wonder why that annoyed people?
Just a friendly word of warning but really this should be asked in the appropriate thread.
There's a thing called Google. Cheers.
Protecting people shocked by a famous and beloved person dying from seeing negative things about the person should not take precedent over protecting people, in this case specifically sexual assault survivors, from seeing universal acclaim heaped upon them and nothing about them being credibly accused of raping someone.
Except most people bringing it up couldn’t give a shite about sexual assault victims.
I didn't see that post, as it was deleted by the time I had seen the thread, but the responses to him did prompt me to read the article on the charge. My own initial post wasn't intended to wind anyone up, I just wanted to get a feeling for how the issue was seen by his more ardent fans, obviously I didn't take into account how upset people were over him dying, and they're lack of willingness to discuss anything other than sunshine and rainbows, until the allotted grieving period had passed.
Can you link it pleaseJust a friendly word of warning but really this should be asked in the appropriate thread.
You can not actually deny these 2 things though.
This is a very odd thing to say, do you honestly believe people are trolling the thread?
I'm afraid not.
Thank you. Those who suffered from sexual assault must feel absolutely terrible, when they see the way Bryant is talked about. To see such a man being called hero or legend, without even as much as an asterisk, must be gruesome.
Right, and you can go about it in a better way. Like I say, if it was clear cut, it'd probably be fair game, but as it's not it's a shitty thing to do.
A good summation. If this was something he was found guilty of, or if we could say he had done it beyond reasonable doubt, then it would warrant discussion, but we simply don't have enough evidence to draw an informed conclusion, and as such discussing it so close to his untimely death seem crass and glib.
If you're not willing to back up what you're saying then you shouldn't be posting in the current affairs forum, quite frankly.
Just wait until they write OJ's obituary. I hope they only mention his Heisman Trophy and his time with the Bills. Anything else would be crass and glib.
I think it’s reasonable to say OJ’s case is different than Kobe’s.
That’s true. Unlike OJ, Kobe admitted it.
The present audience is unreasonable.
Who else had 'OJ' in Stupid Comparison Bingo? I just need [Irrelevant point] and I'm set. I'm counting on you Eboue!
By Kobe's own admission the sex act was non-consensual from the woman's POV, which led to Kobe apologizing to her and settling a civil case. Those facts alone inform us well enough for it to be a valid discussion point. In fact in a context where some have responded to Kobe's death by describing him as a role model it is not only valid but pertinent.
Are you someone who judges who should post where?
He wasnt found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, as is apparently your requirement.
1. Any proper obituary will mention the sexual assault as part of the overall story of Kobe's life, in a non-biased manner. That's the asterisk. Would "Kobe Bryant, accused of rape 16 years ago, dies in a helicopter crash" be acceptable?
No shit, that's why she brought a rape case against him. Look at the bolded below. Does that sound like someone who believed he raped her?
Credibly accused? What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Is it? Or have you just conflated two separate clauses... Whoops.
There seems to be a theme with the sportspeople you fan boy over, maybe you need to reassess?
Do you understand what credibly means? How about accused?
He wasn’t just accused, he admitted it.
Oh not in the slightest. Perfectly comfotable with the sports people I admire.
Do you understand what guilty means? How about decency?
Of course it is.
Maybe you should reassess how you talk to people so as to not come off like a complete asshole that's looking for fights and attention.
Do you understand what reassess means? What about attention?
Arent you an expert on that?
