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Who said that?So a tourist who picks up a touted ticket on their trip and goes to one game is a better fan than a local who leaves and breathes the club but can’t afford to go to a match?
Because logic.
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Who said that?So a tourist who picks up a touted ticket on their trip and goes to one game is a better fan than a local who leaves and breathes the club but can’t afford to go to a match?
Because logic.
“If you go to more games you’re a better supporter of the team”Who said that?
Ah sorry, I just re read your post and it makes sense. I agree“If you go to more games you’re a better supporter of the team”
Its more of an overview of each group. This forum nearly tore itself apart during Joses tenure while the match going fans kept onside with him.The fans were singing about killing Woodwood recently so not sure that carries, and comparing chants to individual posts isn’t the point at hand.
I don’t think Jose has anywhere near the support ole has with match going fans.Its more of an overview of each group. This forum nearly tore itself apart during Joses tenure while the match going fans kept onside with him.
Hell we celebrated the idea of the plane with the message and as soon as it appeared Old Trafford booed the shit out of it.
Theyre a lot less reactionary.
Embarrassing myself? For pointing out the blatantly obvious. If you were talking about a non league club, local team who you can influence as a groundsman, secretary, coach, bar staff, chef, mini bus driver etc etc I’d have a different opinion. That’s supporting a team and club. Supporting a larger club means going to games and supporting the players in and around match day. It used to be the training ground but it’s basically MI5 these days.Such an ignorant and blinkered view or how a fan can lend his/her support to the team. You must be one or those “top reds” who think that the only way to support your team is to go watch games at the stadium. Stop embarrassing yourself.
How to have a debate on the caf. Insult someone and swear when they say something you don’t like. What’s bullshit then?What a pile of complete and utter bullshit. Fact my arse.
Actually it's your opinion, not a fact.Thanks mate. Nothing about it is in anyway an insult it’s just the truth
a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular football team.
I believe in a civilised society that everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I have said in an earlier post today that I have big respect for people who fork out to watch this rubbish week in week out because it’s a big undertaking.
But fans who go less regularly don’t have less of a right to state an opinion.
I guess the point I’m making is that historically match going fans were put on a pedestal in the sense that their money was integral to a club’s revenue, but truth be told that’s not a major proportion of the overall pie anymore – tv money is.
Against that backdrop, we should probably update the outmoded view that match going fans are the gold standard whose opinions carry more weight
I go a couple of times a season and hear some absolute drivel spouted in the pubs and on the terraces
It's a bizarre mindset, man. It's become almost 'fact' that if you buy a ticket to watch United, you are automatically a knowledgeable fan. I could buy a ticket to watch Brian Cox on tour - does that mean I'm knowledgeable about the subject matter or does it simply mean I like Brian Cox and spent some money on a ticket to watch him talking?So much this. The conversations and knowledge about our own team/players are shocking every time I’ve been there.
The irony of this post. Please continue, you look silly now.Embarrassing myself? For pointing out the blatantly obvious. If you were talking about a non league club, local team who you can influence as a groundsman, secretary, coach, bar staff, chef, mini bus driver etc etc I’d have a different opinion. That’s supporting a team and club. Supporting a larger club means going to games and supporting the players in and around match day. It used to be the training ground but it’s basically MI5 these days.
Being a fan is exactly that. A fan. You enjoy something and invest your time and money. But don’t lecture me on what it is to be a supporter.
I never had a pop at match going fans for not staging a walkoutLook having paid the money to go, they can decide whether they want to watch or not.
The opinion of you, me, their binman doesn't infringe on their right to make that decision.
Therefore, non match going fans should keep their noses out of this one.
It isn't difficult.
Would you say the views of all United fans matter equally?I never had a pop at match going fans for not staging a walkout
I had a go at those match going fans that are pious, as though their views matter more
They don’t.
While i agree it's their money, they do what they want for entertainment but i do think the core problem here is most people are just as clueless as Woodward. You can't be sure if mass walkout and boycott would have any positive impact and even harder to organize such things.Look having paid the money to go, they can decide whether they want to watch or not.
The opinion of you, me, their binman doesn't infringe on their right to make that decision.
Therefore, non match going fans should keep their noses out of this one.
It isn't difficult.
I think everyone is entitled to their view and you should probably judge the validity of opinions based on how well considered the arguments are.Would you say the views of all United fans matter equally?
Ah right. I think they do a bit, tbh. But we do pay our TV money, so it's a more nuanced argument certainly.I never had a pop at match going fans for not staging a walkout
I had a go at those match going fans that are pious, as though their views matter more
They don’t.
Is English your first language? This isn’t in anyway an insult I’m just wondering what your grasp of the word ironic is. Do you not consider there to be a difference in being a fan and a supporter?The irony of this post. Please continue, you look silly now.
No worse than the match day thread on here. Your point?In all seriousness though, I genuinely heard someone behind me yesterday say that Bruno is shit to his mate. 60 mins into his career. Another chap, a ST holder, called everyone a cnut for 90 mins. The young lad in front was on fecking Snapchat taking selfies the whole game. Fair play to them for turning up and paying money but it was not exactly a brains trust of fans. There are heaps of similar anecdotes I could give you. I just think we need to update the view that matchgoing fans have a superior right to an opinion or that their views carry more weight.
I don't think that's the point. The point is non match going fans have no right to have a go at and abuse match goers. They can have and express their opinions but don't give abuse to those you can't relate to and whom make a life of following the club, rain or shine, in person.I think everyone is entitled to their view and you should probably judge the validity of opinions based on how well considered the arguments are.
I certainly don’t see it along the lines of some arbitrary points based hierarchy, whereby people who go to X number of matches have more right for their views to be heard than someone who attends less frequently.
For instance, I have no doubt that the idiots who attacked Woodward’s family home go to way more matches than me, but based on their behaviour they probably deserve to be heard less.
I was wondering the same about you to be honest.Is English your first language? This isn’t in anyway an insult I’m just wondering what your grasp of the word ironic is. Do you not consider there to be a difference in being a fan and a supporter?
The Glazers are primarily driven by money. As results are not negatively impacting the money side and as Woody is making lots of money, fan discontent in the stadium would be pretty insignificant and IS NOT A KEY REASON why the club are not where they should be right now.Overwhelming proportion of matchgoing fans in their drive to support at all costs are actively damaging the club because it sustains Solskjaer and keeps Woodward relatively cushy.
Lack of fan discontent at OT is a key reason that the club has become so mediocre
Nice to see you've still failed to tell me what and where I've said anything that has caused you such personal grief.I was wondering the same about you to be honest.
Can i ask a counter question to that? Who would you say is a bigger supporter? One who goes to a game as he lives nearby( by that i mean in the same country) or one who lives halfway around the world with a 6 hour time difference. Who has to regularly stay up late on weekdays to catch the match? Do you think a fan who watches on tv doesn’t invest anything just cause he cannot afford to go to OT to catch the match. I don’t think not attending matches regularly makes you a less of a fan.Nice to see you've still failed to tell me what and where I've said anything that has caused you such personal grief.
Would you say someone who's never been to a game, the ground, the city, the country is as big a supporter as someone who goes every single game? What about someone who travels down from Scotland or over from Ireland with a ST, are they in the same category as the casual fan who follows the club because they can watch everything on TV or online and like to wear the branded merchandise? *
*It's an example, a question, don't go into the top red bollocks people who get offended by people with different opinions than themselves like to talk shite about.