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Fans planning Old Trafford walkout
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“If you go to more games you’re a better supporter of the team”
Ah sorry, I just re read your post and it makes sense. I agree
I don’t think either is more or less of a fan and has more or less of a right to an opinion than anyone else.
That being said, a few years ago when I was a match going fan you see more of the work that players did off the ball which you physically can’t see on the telly due to the cameras following the ball.
One of the best examples would be Michael Carricks defensive off the ball movement. He used to stop attacks with his positional play. One of the reasons I believe he didn’t get enough credit during his playing days.
The validity of an opinion and the right to make it are two different things. The freedom to make it is what makes fan forums.
That being said, a few years ago when I was a match going fan you see more of the work that players did off the ball which you physically can’t see on the telly due to the cameras following the ball.
One of the best examples would be Michael Carricks defensive off the ball movement. He used to stop attacks with his positional play. One of the reasons I believe he didn’t get enough credit during his playing days.
The validity of an opinion and the right to make it are two different things. The freedom to make it is what makes fan forums.
Its more of an overview of each group. This forum nearly tore itself apart during Joses tenure while the match going fans kept onside with him.
Hell we celebrated the idea of the plane with the message and as soon as it appeared Old Trafford booed the shit out of it.
Theyre a lot less reactionary.
I don’t think Jose has anywhere near the support ole has with match going fans.
Embarrassing myself? For pointing out the blatantly obvious. If you were talking about a non league club, local team who you can influence as a groundsman, secretary, coach, bar staff, chef, mini bus driver etc etc I’d have a different opinion. That’s supporting a team and club. Supporting a larger club means going to games and supporting the players in and around match day. It used to be the training ground but it’s basically MI5 these days.
Being a fan is exactly that. A fan. You enjoy something and invest your time and money. But don’t lecture me on what it is to be a supporter.
How to have a debate on the caf. Insult someone and swear when they say something you don’t like. What’s bullshit then?
Thanks mate. Nothing about it is in anyway an insult it’s just the truth
Actually it's your opinion, not a fact.
Anyway, here's Oxford's definition of 'football supporter'.
So did anyone walk out?
The Idea of a mass action is good, but maybe the better idea is to do a common thing inside the ground at a certain time or similar? That way, there's no conflict between paying to watch the whole match and then walk out. (as someone mentioned you'd then be better off by not paying a ticket at all)
To me we all have to be realistic, and protest to achieve reasonable objectives. Removing Glazers is not realistic. Removing Woodward is though. He's not good business for them neither when we massively underperform. So the objective of a protest should be to get more football knowledge in the boardroom.
The Idea of a mass action is good, but maybe the better idea is to do a common thing inside the ground at a certain time or similar? That way, there's no conflict between paying to watch the whole match and then walk out. (as someone mentioned you'd then be better off by not paying a ticket at all)
To me we all have to be realistic, and protest to achieve reasonable objectives. Removing Glazers is not realistic. Removing Woodward is though. He's not good business for them neither when we massively underperform. So the objective of a protest should be to get more football knowledge in the boardroom.
Look having paid the money to go, they can decide whether they want to watch or not.
The opinion of you, me, their binman doesn't infringe on their right to make that decision.
Therefore, non match going fans should keep their noses out of this one.
It isn't difficult.
It's a bizarre mindset, man. It's become almost 'fact' that if you buy a ticket to watch United, you are automatically a knowledgeable fan. I could buy a ticket to watch Brian Cox on tour - does that mean I'm knowledgeable about the subject matter or does it simply mean I like Brian Cox and spent some money on a ticket to watch him talking?
It's fecking mental.
The irony of this post. Please continue, you look silly now.
The thought of walking out yesterday was ridiculous. We were pushing for a goal and a very important goal for that matter.
The fans at times were really pushing the team on I felt. Without that I doubt we would have come half as close as we did.
Now I admit it was a very poor game, much below the standards we require. And wolves were there for the taking.
But if most of stadium had walked out yesterday and we would have drawn or lost. Im sure we would all have thought that with the support we could have won.
The fans at times were really pushing the team on I felt. Without that I doubt we would have come half as close as we did.
Now I admit it was a very poor game, much below the standards we require. And wolves were there for the taking.
But if most of stadium had walked out yesterday and we would have drawn or lost. Im sure we would all have thought that with the support we could have won.
I never had a pop at match going fans for not staging a walkout
I had a go at those match going fans that are pious, as though their views matter more
They don’t.
Would you say the views of all United fans matter equally?
While i agree it's their money, they do what they want for entertainment but i do think the core problem here is most people are just as clueless as Woodward. You can't be sure if mass walkout and boycott would have any positive impact and even harder to organize such things.
So most choose to sit still and pretend everything will be okay. It's my take on "just support the team" thingy because noone knows what else to do.
It would be better for everyone to stand at a set time and turn their backs from the field for one minute, at least more would join in .
I think everyone is entitled to their view and you should probably judge the validity of opinions based on how well considered the arguments are.
I certainly don’t see it along the lines of some arbitrary points based hierarchy, whereby people who go to X number of matches have more right for their views to be heard than someone who attends less frequently.
For instance, I have no doubt that the idiots who attacked Woodward’s family home go to way more matches than me, but based on their behaviour they probably deserve to be heard less.
Ah right. I think they do a bit, tbh. But we do pay our TV money, so it's a more nuanced argument certainly.
I was misunderstanding. Sorry.
It's also funny that people think where you live defines the level of your support. Some people spend hours and hours travelling every week to support this club. I live about 2 minutes from the Molineux, does that make me a bigger Wolves fan than most of their fans? Does it feck, because I never set foot in the place.
Is English your first language? This isn’t in anyway an insult I’m just wondering what your grasp of the word ironic is. Do you not consider there to be a difference in being a fan and a supporter?
No worse than the match day thread on here. Your point?
Can the match going fans threaten to do the same every transfer window. At least woody will be kept on his toes if nothing else.
I don't think that's the point. The point is non match going fans have no right to have a go at and abuse match goers. They can have and express their opinions but don't give abuse to those you can't relate to and whom make a life of following the club, rain or shine, in person.
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Was it a walk out yesterday or a walk in?
It will take a bit of time to get any momentum but it will happen properly before the end of the season I'm sure.
Did Sir Bobby Walk out? His seat was empty on tv, I thought.
It was a dumb idea which rightly fell on it's face . It was up there with the idiots who protested Kaepernick being chosen by Nike by buying the Boots and burning them
I'm a match-going fan and had no idea this walkout was even a 'thing' until I read this thread last night. Nobody around me mentioned it prior to or during the game.
I do tend to keep away from the Twitter bollocks mind.
I do tend to keep away from the Twitter bollocks mind.
Just to add some context from the match itself. For most fans the walkout idea came from nowhere, it followed no discussion of tactics, no survey of intentions it just appeared on twitter one day and got reported in some places, like on here . It had zero force behind it, but could it build some momentum?
A walkout at 58 minutes? That wasn't going to happen, it sounded tasteless and wrong from the first - it got shifted but it was a bad start. Lob flares in Woodward's garden? That was another step back.
Match day - and it's the nearest date to Munich, the families are there, the Flowers of Manchester is sung and stadium stands in respect. No one is talking about walkouts because no groundwork has been done, and even ones who might have participated have dropped out because of the Woodward thing and because a different emotion is in now in play.
At 58 minutes the stadium stands and applauds the Babes. At 68 minutes the team are on the attack and the fans that I can see/hear have zero interest in walking out - in fact I'd question how many of them even knew about it. A campaign needs organising and it needs to build momentum around some actions that people can/will carry out. A tweet is just another word for making a wish.
A walkout at 58 minutes? That wasn't going to happen, it sounded tasteless and wrong from the first - it got shifted but it was a bad start. Lob flares in Woodward's garden? That was another step back.
Match day - and it's the nearest date to Munich, the families are there, the Flowers of Manchester is sung and stadium stands in respect. No one is talking about walkouts because no groundwork has been done, and even ones who might have participated have dropped out because of the Woodward thing and because a different emotion is in now in play.
At 58 minutes the stadium stands and applauds the Babes. At 68 minutes the team are on the attack and the fans that I can see/hear have zero interest in walking out - in fact I'd question how many of them even knew about it. A campaign needs organising and it needs to build momentum around some actions that people can/will carry out. A tweet is just another word for making a wish.
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I was wondering the same about you to be honest.
I watched a video on youtube on UTD Arena, where a younger fan is interviewed in his 20's. The interview actually highlighted what other issues are at this club, the fans.
Alot of the fans of older generation who have been through the Red Knights have no intention of protesting against the clubs.
Alot of the matchday fans who are part of fan groups will not protest because the fan group leaders have links to the club.
The ones talking about protests are on social media, match day fans don't like this generation and feel these fans are not real fans.
until all fan groups unite, there is nothing that will happen at Utd.
Alot of the fans of older generation who have been through the Red Knights have no intention of protesting against the clubs.
Alot of the matchday fans who are part of fan groups will not protest because the fan group leaders have links to the club.
The ones talking about protests are on social media, match day fans don't like this generation and feel these fans are not real fans.
until all fan groups unite, there is nothing that will happen at Utd.
The Glazers are primarily driven by money. As results are not negatively impacting the money side and as Woody is making lots of money, fan discontent in the stadium would be pretty insignificant and IS NOT A KEY REASON why the club are not where they should be right now.
The reason the club has 'become so mediocre', is down to the long term impact of the Glazers that came more obvious when SAF and Gill retired on the same day. There were signs before then but the genius of SAF papered over the cracks, as he kept us at the top with weakened squads.
Nice to see you've still failed to tell me what and where I've said anything that has caused you such personal grief.
Would you say someone who's never been to a game, the ground, the city, the country is as big a supporter as someone who goes every single game? What about someone who travels down from Scotland or over from Ireland with a ST, are they in the same category as the casual fan who follows the club because they can watch everything on TV or online and like to wear the branded merchandise? *
*It's an example, a question, don't go into the top red bollocks people who get offended by people with different opinions than themselves like to talk shite about.
Can i ask a counter question to that? Who would you say is a bigger supporter? One who goes to a game as he lives nearby( by that i mean in the same country) or one who lives halfway around the world with a 6 hour time difference. Who has to regularly stay up late on weekdays to catch the match? Do you think a fan who watches on tv doesn’t invest anything just cause he cannot afford to go to OT to catch the match. I don’t think not attending matches regularly makes you a less of a fan.
I honestly couldn't give a flying feck who the bigger fans are or who's dick is bigger in this ridiculous pissing contest. All I care about is how disgraceful our club has become and the fact nobody seems to have any intent to do anything about it, either.
Mines massive and its not made of plastic.