Nobody cares where he puts his dick or who he loves.
Yesterday he was living a life without scrutiny. Today he’s invited the world into his personal life.
Philip Schofield
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Yesterday he was living a life without scrutiny. Today he’s invited the world into his personal life.
You realise he might not make that great an example right? The fact he came out as gay later in career, was paid paid by his brother not to expose the fact and that he eventually committed suicide may lead to some concerns.
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Isnt it possible for him to have been straight earlier in his life and has now changed his sexual preference? Or he was undecided earlier but has now taken a firm position? It's his life and if his family are OK with it, then what's the problem?
It was the same in the early 2000's too. To be thought of, or have someone tell people you were gay in school was terrifying. You were conditioned to be so against the notion of being gay for fear of ostracization and ridicule. It was the go to insult. Makes you feel ashamed looking back.
He killed himself because of the US and his fear that he wouldn't get a fair trial there.
That says more about your inability to understand simple things that are obvious to everybody else, than anything else.
Bowie declared himself gay (a stunt) in '72 and as bi in the Rolling Stone in '76. He was wearing makeup in the beginning of the 70's, simulated fellatio on Mick Ronson on stage during the Ziggy era and released Diamond Dogs with him in women's clothing in 74'.
“The biggest mistake I ever made,” he said one night after a couple of cans of Foster’s Lager, “was telling that Melody Maker writer that I was bisexual. Christ, I was so young then. I was experimenting….”
Marc Bolan was the first to wear glitter.
Yeah?
To me this story amounted to...
Man: Born into a world where chemical castration was still an acceptable way for 'treating' homosexuality. Was pushing 40 before the UK even lowered the age of consent to match that of heterosexuals. Grew up with homosexuals being treated as second class citizens, were beaten, humiliated, and on many cases, driven to suicide. Man finally feels confident to be himself, even though he knows the trolls will be out in their masses to make this transition period as difficult as possible.
Red Cafe: Gay jokes.
This was my experience as well.
I don't get this revisionism that late 80's Britain wasn't some sort of homophobic backwards shithole.
At least his missus now understands why he only wanted anal.
I can only assume his wife has known for a very very long time so it's not as bad as we make out/assume. But the timing is always a question - why now? If he came out in the previous 5/10 years nobody would care still.
I can only think of 2 reasons why he came out with it now:
1) Something was about to leak and he got ahead of it
2) This one is a DM far fetched one but I actually think it's plausible - he was under pressure for allegations/fights with other staff. Him coming out now makes him, let's be honest, fairly untouchable right now
I can only think of 2 reasons why he came out with it now:
1) Something was about to leak and he got ahead of it
2) This one is a DM far fetched one but I actually think it's plausible - he was under pressure for allegations/fights with other staff. Him coming out now makes him, let's be honest, fairly untouchable right now
I was more shocked that he was married with kids.
He took a lot of shit because the UK was homophobic. The fact there were a lot of people who supported him during that time doesn't change the fact the response to his decision was homophobic. It was still homophobic in the 90s too. Yes there was a lot of progress between the 70s and the 80s but the trend is less important than the absolute reality. The World Values Survey asked about homosexuality as part of this question:
"Please tell me for each of the following actions whether you think it can always be justified, never be
justified, or something in between"
In 1981, 47% of the UK thought homosexuality was "never justifiable". That's pretty strong opposition. For context, 32% of the UK thought abortion was never justifiable. Fast forward to 1990 and those views had softened, but not so dramatically. 40% of the UK thought homosexuality was never justifiable. By 1999 that dropped to 25%, and then the levels of absolute opposition have stayed about the same, while people have generally become more supportive of it...but still less than 1/2 of the UK population can bring themselves to describe homosexuality positively, even now, it's just people are less negative about it (or for the cynics, less likely to talk about it).
And yes in the grand scheme of things, the UK was not especially homophobic. Of the 22 countries surveyed in 1981, the UK ranked 6th, in between Germany and Finland. Ireland ranked 15th, the US 17th for context - nearly 2/3 of them were completely against it. But the reality is that the majority of people across the world were homophobic in 1980, were still homophobic in 1990, and were still homophobic in 2010. When they expanded out the survey to include some more of Europe in 1990, they found that more than 3/4 of Eastern Europe were completely against homosexuality, and in 2010 when they included a lot more MENA countries as part of the 58 covered, they found the same.
In any case, the reality is that coming out as gay in the UK was not a good thing in the 80s. It was more acceptable, but it wasn't a good thing. Societal pressures still made it incredibly difficult. No he wouldn't have gotten lynched and yes he may have been able to keep his job, but the fact there's even a hint of risk in that, along with risks in the other pillars in his life (friends, family, etc.) make it entirely reasonable for some people to have not felt it was the right environment. People deal with risk and social pressures differently, just because some people were able to do it doesn't mean we should chastise those who didn't.
Always assumed that he was gay as I didn't jnow he was married with kids.
Lots of gay people only admit/discover their sexuality later in life. And often families come out stronger from these things. I hope they all end up happier.
Lots of gay people only admit/discover their sexuality later in life. And often families come out stronger from these things. I hope they all end up happier.
pleading the fifth I seeWasn’t there a lot of open bisexual practices being carried out in Ancient Greece or were they all closet gays too?
You say he’s wasted the best years of her life which might be true (we don’t know if she was in on it and just accepted it) but he also sacrificed the best years of his own life too by prioritising his family and partner by not coming out for so long.
He probably knew from an early age - but he got himself trapped, and then once kids come along etc just finds it more and more difficult to find the strength to carry out, the guilt must have been insane.
Not sure why now is the right moment but if everyone around him is genuinely supportive and he feels this is the best moment he could come out without massively ruining their lives and has tried to minimise the impact it will have on their life - then more power to him I say. Hard to judge someone when you are not in their shoes. Every situation might unique and not like that of your aunt which I’m very sorry to hear about.
Haha clever
Ancient Greece’s acceptance of homosexuality is often viewed with a very modern lens which distorts the real situation.
In the pre-Christian era there was nothing sinful or wrong about having sex with other men. However men were expected to have a wife and bear children as a duty to the family (continue the line) and the state (provide warriors). Warring was part and parcel of the society and incurred a high blood toll. It required offspring.
So sexual practices aside, they were expected to be behave and appear masculine and not effeminate. They were largely disassociating sex with outward behaviour. Ephebophilia was the widely accepted practice of the times, adult males sleeping with teenagers under their tutelage. But as teenagers came of age and became citizens, the expectation was that they grow out of it and behave “manly”. Even Athens which was one of the more progressive states (although none as progressive as Thebes) would routinely osctracise male citizens who didn’t fall in line and behaved... well, gay.
So in truth, we don’t know how many were bisexual or entirely gay. Because the latter wasn’t openly accepted.
Little did you know.Cynic
Tom Robinson the singer is married with kids and he said he is a gay man who happened to fall in love with a woman.
My guess:
Man cheating on his wife with a man is caught out
Also man: After 27 years of marriage and kids, I must now at this random point in time, confess I’m gay
Twitter: So brave
Your username is apt.
It still surprises me that so many are only able to view sexuality and relationship dynamics in an entirely binary way. I tend to think people that take up such views are only able to view the world through the prism of self, not able to comprehend that our own experiences and perceptions are as good as irrelevant when measured against the vast world outside of that prism.
Great guy! Saw him live way back circa 1976
A trainer at work came out as gay, left his wife and kids for a man he met at work. Now when you look at him he’s full on camp whereas he wasn’t before,
It's the fact people think all that matters in a relationship is sex, it is part of it, but that isn't the only thing about loving someone. Relationships are complicated and people sometimes love someone because they are caring, make them laugh, they can talk about anything with them, trivial stuff like loving the same films, music, TV programmes. If it is just about sex then what happens when that goes. I have absolutely no doubt Philip Schofield loves his wife and kids, still loves them. Do I feel sorry for them, yes I do. Not because the relationship with him will suffer, because I suspect it is strong enough to survive this, but because of stupid people forever bombarding them with stupid questions.
OK I don't think you actually know what your on about so I'm not gonna bother replying. All I'm going to tell you is someone coming out as gay or hiding that they are gay in a relationship is not the same as you fancying younger women.
In the 80s my uncle was nearly beaten to death twice for being gay.
My point wasnt at Schofield and his situation it was aimed at someone on here that said their mate never married or was never in any relationships boy or girl and only came to the conclusion he was gay when he was in his 40's.
I alway thought he was too close to that gopher.
Is it just me, or hasn’t it also been blatantly obvious for the past 30 years to everyone else that he’a gay?
Is it just me, or hasn’t it also been blatantly obvious for the past 30 years to everyone else that he’a gay?
I always thought he was gay. I thought he came out years ago.
A, gay? Like a species you mean?
I'm not saying coming out as a gay is the same as fancying younger women. I'm saying being sexually attracted to people you aren't married to is normal and acting upon it, in your late 50's, isn't something that should be lauded. What is really happening here is a man is expressing his desire to be with other people, at a stage when he and his wife are approaching retirement age. Today she's even said they aren't divorcing, so unless he's decided to just announce it because he wanted the public to know he's attracted to men, I think it's safe to say we can expect to see some stories in the future of Phil and new male "friends."
So ultimately, when you break it down, a middle aged man, who isn't attracted to his wife, is going to be looking to form new relationships outside of his marriage. I don't think he should be criticized for it per se, but I don't agree that he should be given a pass or even praised for it, because he's got an excuse the liberal orthodoxy (no I'm not religious etc) deem acceptable. No matter what she might say in public, it's hard to imagine how dreadful this has been for his wife. She has to watch people being so supportive of him, but in reality, had he done the same thing, but with younger women, he'd get no such support, not because people can't empathize with a man being attracted to other people, but because he made a life long commitment to someone.
To be honest the part of the story that shocked me was that he was married to a woman and had kids
Not entirely sure what point you're trying to make here?