I've still yet to come across any reasonable argument for keeping him.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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See Everton for evidence of the difference a good/great manager can make. It may just be a ‘fit’ with the club, but I just don’t see the evidence that Ole is anywhere near a great manager. We won’t win the league unless we have a manager that is both.
There are many although not amazing arguments.
Cost too much to replace him.
All better managers that we badly needs got jobs already or we can't get them before this summer.
He knows our players better now than what the new manager would so quick fix might not work.
There is a chance he gets us into manager bounce form again at some point.
He has a semi decent cup record.
Good record against the top 6 clubs.
Has not lost the dressing room.
Ighalo is his signing so might have an idea with him.
Thus keeping him for this season might not be the worst idea in the world.
For the summer though there will be few arguments left.
Since the league form is just too bad and he has been beyond terrible in the market.
He's doing things the United way!
Not sure. There have a few performances this season so poor that it may, to put it mildly, call into question the players' belief in his ability
Yeah possibly. Confidence and happiness is low, but the fight is still around.
Pogba wants out obviously.
We will see if he performs once back or not.
It's a bit of a premature comparison since Ole did great when he first came in. Carlo is a great manager but let's see how he does for a while yet.
I truly believe that a cultural rebuild is/was needed, but it should not be on the expense of results.
Football at the top is based on results and we are not getting any at the moment. Sure we needed a cultural rebuild, but football has to come first.
I think he has done a decent job clearing out deadwood and has given youth a decent amount of football, and his transfers has been above par, which is good for the future. A few individuals (Greenwood, Rashford, McTerminator, Fred, etc) have developed under his spell at the club, but is it because/despite of him?
The football is boring and we lack a propper game plan. We struggle when we have to controll the game, especially against these so called ”lesser” opponents. We should be able to break most teams down in the league and this is down to bad coaching. It’s not like our squad is any worse than the one mentioned above (Sheffield). His spell here has been prolonged because of good results against teams that are trying to dominate the game and in most of these games we have been succesfully adapting our counter attack tactics. That’s great and kudos to Ole and his team for those results, but it’s not sustainable long-term. We do have some good players for that particular game plan, but let’s not act like we are 2013/14 season Real Madrid who absolutely killed every team with the counter attacking system.
As this cultural rebuild has taken place I can see myself, the board and some of the fans put the result aspect of the game aside for a short time, but that short time is in my opinion over. We have not made any progress as a team during this season. A good result is followed by a couple of bad ones, we still make individual errors that leads to goals and we fail most of the time to break low blocking teams. It’s has become painful to watch.
I do like Ole as a person and he wants what is best for the team, no doubt about that, but he is not going to resign or sack himself. Since he has been our manager he has never been aggresive in any presser, now there has been a small switch in his attitude after the holiday season. The ”beef” with RvP as an example. Earlier he always kept his calm no matter what had happened on the pitch, but to me this switch points to, that he has been told he is being replaced at the end of the season, and now he can freely express himself without any fear. What I do respect about his sayings in the press is that he never throws anyone under the bus and that is something he said he wanted to change when he came to the club.
Long story short:
He should and he will be replaced, most likely with Pochettino, but not in the middle of this season. Hopefully we can achieve something this seasons. With all the players back from injury, par Rashford, we have a tiny, tiny chance of getting CL- football next season. Ole is good guy and a true legend at the club, but not a good manager by any means. As a manager he is a dead man walking.
Do rebuilding teams actually have to deteriorate significantly in the short run or is it just a myth? Liverpool, City, Chelsea never took that kind of massive hit to their status when they've come under solid management/ownership. Quite the opposite in fact, they slowly trended upwards till they peaked. Did we just invent this notion to excuse a failing manager?
That's the Dave Sexton United way or early Tommy Docherty United way? The United way, if its having a terrible win percentage, doing shit in the league, having no clear football direction then he's doing fine.
The time to rebuild stuff goes out of the window when the likes of Leicester, Sheff United and Wolves are above or around us, there’s no excuse to be trailing those teams.
Fair enough we aren’t on Liverpool/City’s level but in a season where Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal are bang average and arguably even worse than us we should be sat in 7th.
Fair enough we aren’t on Liverpool/City’s level but in a season where Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal are bang average and arguably even worse than us we should be sat in 7th.
8th...
I don't care what anyone tells me Solskjaer couldn't have it easier to get fourth spot in his whole career in management compared to the opportunity this season. We have a worst points tally thus far compared to LVG, Moyes and Mourinho. Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea have been absolutely dreadful and Solskjaer still can't imprint any form of consistency to this team.
The individual players are the best quality that Solskjaer has had in management yet we can't even so much as see an identity in the attack. Him being sacked will be more satisfying then Mourinho because the deluded fan-base still seem to back him, despite him being a woeful appointment. I'm glad to see more realistic posts in the forums calling out Ole, compared to a few months ago when too many posters had their noses brown from how far up Ole's behind they were.
Probably 9th after this weekend. Ole's not interested in the League position so early in the season. Its after the final game that counts.
"United have collected just 18 points from their first 14 games in the league - their lowest tally at this stage since the 1988-89 campaign."
"Not since 1989 have they taken such a low tally of 25 points from their opening 18 games."
"Stunned by their second home league defeat this season, United's tally of 34 points is their lowest after 24 matches of a top-flight season since 1989-90."
Our season highlights.
On the other hand there is someone like Conte who does not need world record fees for slow center backs to transform his side into serial winners.
"Not since 1989 have they taken such a low tally of 25 points from their opening 18 games."
"Stunned by their second home league defeat this season, United's tally of 34 points is their lowest after 24 matches of a top-flight season since 1989-90."
Our season highlights.
On the other hand there is someone like Conte who does not need world record fees for slow center backs to transform his side into serial winners.
More than anything, where Ole has let himself down is the inability to motivate the team to bounce back after disappointments. The result against Liverpool was understandable, but then to follow it up with a loss to Burnley and a draw against Wolves is not good enough. Each of the results in isolation are acceptable, however, this is a trend since the start of the season and we have just not been able to get any consistency. Sadly, this makes Ole’s position untenable.
Having said that, I have no confidence in the board to get it right the next time, so don’t think we will be improving any time soon. They should let Ole finish the season and hopefully get the right man in. If they sack him today, they will panic and appoint anyone who raises his hand.
Having said that, I have no confidence in the board to get it right the next time, so don’t think we will be improving any time soon. They should let Ole finish the season and hopefully get the right man in. If they sack him today, they will panic and appoint anyone who raises his hand.
We are 8th place with Sheffield United, Everton and Leicester ahead of us. That's quite damning isn't he?
I often wonder if the likes of Ole, Carrick, Mckenna and Phelan get sacked were they will go. Will they go to a top club or will they be lingering at Norway/Australia/1st division level? If you think that it's the latter then that's food for thought for everyone in here. What makes you think that people who can't make it to top clubs elsewhere are good enough for us?
I often wonder if the likes of Ole, Carrick, Mckenna and Phelan get sacked were they will go. Will they go to a top club or will they be lingering at Norway/Australia/1st division level? If you think that it's the latter then that's food for thought for everyone in here. What makes you think that people who can't make it to top clubs elsewhere are good enough for us?
Because to Ole fanboys: Ole is 'cut from the same cloth' as Fergie, he and his coaching staff do things the 'United way' and they'd test positive for 'United DNA'. Such is the depth of their delusion. I can't believe I used to buy this nonsense and be on the fence with Ole in or out.
Each and every one of them will rot in mediocrity once we get rid.
There's a good chance Carrick and McKenna will be kept on in some capacity if Ole were to leave.
Mediocrity is an overestimate, mediocre is managing bottom table EPL teams. They'll fade into obscurity, quietly hushed and thrown as Pundits.
For me football is many simple things done right. Passing, trapping the ball, dribbling, feint, only when this basics are drilled correctly in everyday training will a player improve. It's not magic, Klopp/Pep prepares their team meticulously to atomic levels, they even analyzed which opponent is playing and how to specifically counter him. Which side should they push from, who's better to cover who, show weaker foot, etc.
For top teams, the who, what, what, when, where, how isn't a coincidence. What we saw as telepathic understanding isn't magic, it's a result of a move set being drilled over and over again in the training. I read somewhere that Pep was so meticulous that like a brain surgeon he told his players to cut their reactive movement to improve their off the ball movement. Small little things even the player didn't realize such as the tendency to tap the ball twice before passing, or the tendency to take extra tap while dribbling. Do we honestly see ole as this kind of person? The 3 of them sits in slump on the dugout, they never actually analyze the match, they never bark instructions, they never take notes, as if they don't know what's happening
Bottom line is that high level team has high level coach, that does much much more than a simple "you play here, pass to x, make forwards runs, go and have fun"
I think you're right unfortunately which really makes you wonder. These guy took over Faria when we were second place. Since then our performance plummeted under not 1 but 2 managers. How many manager's heads should end up at the stake before they lose their jobs as well?
Regardless of what happens in the end of the season. Least the next manager will he walking into a better team that isn't mentally destroyed. Ole did his best to buy some good effective players and didn't cave to buying old quick fixs type signings. That the next manager would be stuck with. Hope come to the end of the season he'll have done a good enough job to stay one more season.
Ole's signings have not been old, but I don't really think they are that great either. 80 mil for Maguire is daylight robbery and Pogba will probably leave in the summer. Leaving us even shorter in quality.
Would it be beneficial to relieve him off his duties and bring in a caretaker like Hiddink for the remainder of the season?
Hiddink is vastly experienced and it would allow the club to possibly announce Poch for next season.
Hiddink is vastly experienced and it would allow the club to possibly announce Poch for next season.
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I disagree. I think his signings have been pretty good. Maguire is a rock sometimes, AWB is an absolute monster when defending with his tackles. James is the only one that’s a bit off at the moment. Probably just burnt out from running like usain bolt every time. They all do their main jobs well. And now Fernandes looks pretty good from his first match, nearly scored a free kick from 30 years out. Finally have a good set piece taker. Could be a great team after the next summer when he finally strengthens the squad properly. If it doesn’t work out and he gets replaced that’s fine. Making him a dof wouldn’t be a bad shout. But that’s a different discussion.
No, it would be an abysmal shout.
Why put him in a job he's even less qualified for than the one he's in now?
If we do that, we should go for Poch directly, he will get time to assess the squad instead of starting next July. With Euros, preseason will be messed up too with many players missing the tour.
I think a manager can easily asses a squad from afar.
We did Mourinho early whilst LVG was still manager, you'd hope the club are thinking the same here.
There will be huge difference in what manager can see on match day and every day in the training. Why waste 4 months when we can give that time to plan for the next season.
Yeah, that would be just terrible decision and something I won't be surprised if we end up making.
Much more likely to see a positive end of the season with a caretaker than we are with Ole at this point, there's nothing to suggest he's got it in him for us to finish well.
As long as we're not idiotic enough to hire the caretaker again.
I agree. If the plan is to appoint Poch then bring him in now. We would probably have to pay compensation but it would give the fans a huge lift.
Tbh, I barely know what a dof is supposed to do fully. But doesn't it also entail picking players for the club to buy. He's done a good job of that for the moment.
Can you imagine hiring the caretaker again..
It's more than just buying few players, it's about having good network and contacts. When you hire DoF you need someone who can do better job then Maguire + AWB. You need someone who can unearth good players from lesser leagues, proactive in reaching out to player agents to sign them on free transfers, having good enough network to know hidden clauses in contracts.
Quinton Fortune leading out the team at the start of next seasonCan you imagine hiring the caretaker again..
Yeah, club needs a huge lift now and signing someone like Poch can do that.
Im not saying Maguire has been bad, but we are conceding the same as last season.
Ed Woodward: "Hold my beer"
Down to poor coaching/training/tactics.
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