They have the right attitude is probably what he should have said.
I'm fed up of us overpaying for prima donnas.
Glad we've stopped being a desperate, overpaying club.
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I'm fed up of us overpaying for prima donnas.
Glad we've stopped being a desperate, overpaying club.
If results on the pitch don't matter then Ole is not the right manager for Man Utd.
Why are you contradicting yourself?
We payed a world record fee for Harry Maguire and more or less a world record fee for a right back.
Yeah, but there's no indication they're primadonnas.
Money and genuine chance at the highest trophies.
Yeah but we are still a desperate overpaying club.
Every man and his dog knows United has a lot of money, and will always have to pay a premium when taking players off PL teams. Fernandes at 50 mill is a steal, though.
The post you replied to was about not buying primadonnas, so the prices United have to pay for players is a different discussion.
We don't have to go for the overpriced players though. At 80-85 mil I don't think Maguire is a good deal. Compare his fee and quality to VVD. City have also been loaded, but we've actually broken transfer records more than them.
You could also compare Fernandes to Joao Felix. It's kind of pointless.
Nobody thinks we got a good deal for Maguire. Leicester basically had us over a barrel. 100 million for Koulibialy or bust.
Well when you compare them Fernandes is good value for money. It's not really pointless when we don't have unlimited funds.
Which still makes us a desperate overpaying club.
It sure is not pointless aquiring Fernandes for half a Pogba when we don't have unlimited funds.
I've never critized the fernandes transfer.
That's fair enough.
You can be both a world-class footballer and possess a strong mentality, you know, the two are not mutually exclusive of one another.
I'm not 100% on the point you're trying to make, sorry. You're either getting too hung up on this 'prestige business' or missing the point entirely. I'll try again. The type of player Ole is intent on bringing to the club all seem to share similarly strong character traits such as a positive mental attitude, reliability, and determination. We didn't see those traits in any of LVG's or Jose's signings at any point during their respective reigns.
Who said they didn't matter? I only said that while the rebuild process is ongoing, results on the pitch are secondary to progression in terms of priority. It would be nice to have both, of course, but it rarely works out that way. You can't have your cake and eat it.
Meaning what?
I find it strange you can't see things picking up next season. Obviously there's no guarantees in football, but I fail to see how a team continuing on the progress made so far, boosted by the injured players back and with the addition of hopefully another one or two top players cannot have a better season.
More creativity in the team, as we're already seeing with Fernades, could be the difference in the scrappy games, which should lead to much more consistent results next season. For me, Ole's already doing the much more difficult job of regularly getting results against the top 6, something Pochettino failed to do too often.
It's pretty obvious what i meant. Players come to Liverpool and City because of big money and a chance of winning the biggest trophies.
Yeah since they realized out squad needed massive investment. Unfortunately we've wasted a massive amount of money.
What world class players doesn’t have a strong mentality?
I’m not getting caught up in it. Quite the reverse. I think others are getting caught up in this culture rest, as put previously. Only one player came for the wrong reasons well two. DiMaria and Sanchez that’s it. Too much is being made of poor signings. But there’s a list of successful signings the teams have just not worked out and they have been many reasons for that. It’s not no new miracle signings are working not. Our player of the year is probably Fred and he’s a Mourinho signings. So it’s a rubbish argument, like most things we are giving credit to.
They may have joined City for the money, sure, but the same cannot be said of Liverpool because they don't buy big name stars, they create them. They've got to where they are now through incredible recruitment.
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with Ole and the rebuild process though.
You don't think Klopp is an attraction? Liverpool are a big and a wealthy club just havn't been as big as us for a long time. No i'm not really sure what this has got with Ole and the rebuild process either. But we pay very high wages for players like Rashford and Martial. I think we pay them more than Spurs pay for Harry Kane and what Liverpool pays for Salah and Mane. So I would still say at the moment the attraction of United is more about wages and brand, than it is about winning trophies and the pull of Ole.
There is a difference between wanting to win and play nice football and only care about winning and playing attractive football, and not care about the people in the club. All supporters want to win and play nice football, but support their team through thick and thin, caring about the team, not only when the results are good. A plastic fan cares only about results and drifts off or spreads shit when the results doesn’t satisfy him.
I'd argue that ADM, Sanchez, Pogba, Bastian (not even going to attempt his Surname) Matic, and Mata were all panic buys, purchased for a singular purpose; instant success. No thoughts were spared for their mental capacity or whether they would gel with the existing squad. They were signed as a quick fix to an ongoing problem.
Ole at least has a strategy in mind, he's not only targeting players with ability but mental strentgh as well. This is something LVG and Jose either ignored, or worse, they were incapable of identifying a weak mentality.
You're undervaluing the impact these poor signings had on the club. We're in this weak position right now largely because of LVG's and Jose's awful signings. They spent in the region of £650 million between them, and all that remains is Shaw and Pogba, one of them no longer wants to be a United player and the other one has been outplayed by an 18 yo.
Well it's good we have a genious like you to tell us how stupid we are
It's all in hindsight isn't it? Nobody before would argue that players like Bastian, Sanchez and Mata had poor mentalities. And I don't think there is anything wrong with signing players hoping that they would make an instant impact. That's what we are getting with Bruno right now.
I am sorry, but I really struggle to understand your point. United are recruiting good players at the moment. They're either coming for the money, the prestige of the club, the project, the team mates, the manager or a combination of factors. Does it really matter as long as they want to come and do the best they can do for the club?
Don’t remember that being the opinion at the time. We could sign Toni Kroos in the summer and not much people will be like it’s Bastian all over again. Eden Hazard.. I doubt we’ll be hearing what’s the thought process behind this signing. Most of the signings made sense at the time like I said for certain reasons they didn’t work out. Di Maria looks fine at PSG, Alexis has lost pace, Bastian was injury prone. Mata needed a good footballing team and better players. Matic did what was expected.
No, I don't disagree there.
Are young going to pretend Lindelof, Matic, Fred and Martial dont exist?
wanna bet?
Tbh that's just plain and simple untrue. Us fans at OT to a man will tell you this is the most excited we have been since Ferguson under Ole. Yes it shows how bad we have been but if you can't see something is being built then you either don't want to see it or you simply don't understand football .
Most United fans want Poch as the next boss . What has he won ?
Moyes LVG and Jose emptied OT mostly due to negative boring football .
Oles signings have been super and granted at times this season things have been poor believe me it's never been as bad as it was at times under the other managers .
It's just lazy to say he hasn't coached at this level before because everyone has to start somewhere and overall he's done a decent job
Haha how true is this . I was actually dreading the flight over from Ireland every other week . Remember the amount of 0.0 at HT that season . It really was the worst I've ever witnessed
You picking out 4 just enforces that other guys post to be correct. 4 out of probably 30 is embarrassing
Decent is not good enough. We are United, our aim should be to compete to win the epl and cl, with Ole we wont. If you are happy with a top 4 finish...with another 200m we might make it.
What's your take on Matic's comment on Ole? It's quite similar to what Fred said that he is young and learning, and getting better at his job.
“Spreads shit”....
my God we’re back in the school yard.You’re definition of “panic buy” is very odd Random.
These were absolutely buys that the manager made hoping for instant success but they weren’t “panic buys” at all, not unless you completely ditch the dictionary meaning for “panic”.
The definition of a panic signing is Ighalo, made because our manager and recruitment team had focused way too heavily on the future and not enough on the present, then ended up 8th or 9th in the league by the end of Jan with serious squad/injury issues.
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