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Thinks Di Zerbi is better than Pep.
That's the spirit...Someone please score a goal.
That's the spirit...Someone please score a goal.
True or possibly reinfected I guess?It is not clear if that is really the case, or they were just false negatives (essentially tested negative/fully recuperated, but had still the virus inside them). But it is very troubling if it can come back.
Out of interest why do you think the period from the first case and intracommunity spread will decrease?Today I got to suspect that Portuguese health authorities are working under the assumption that it takes a few weeks to go from the first case (usually imported) to intracommunity spread. This indeed seems to be the case in a few of the first countries to get hit. And I now start to understand better the timeline of some actions on part of our government (we had the first confirmed cases two days ago).
However, I have a theory that as the disease spreads throughout the world this time will get shorter and shorter in each new affected country. It just seems obvious. Now I need data to back it up or throw it in the bin. Will sort each country by order of the first case and plot it against days until community spread is acknowledged by local authorities.
My idea is that as more places become sources of intracommunity spread, more routes of international spread will exist, making the existing measures in place more and more innefective.Out of interest why do you think the period from the first case and intracommunity spread will decrease?
I'm amazed that we have seemingly contained the disease here in Australia with no intracommunity spread so far. Probably just a matter of time of course.
Some sort of critical mass effect could make sense, particularly in Europe where the borders are porous. We may have a different pattern here because we are more in control of our borders but once it is in the wild that won't really help, other than in perhaps slowing the spread to a minor degree.My idea is that as more places become sources of intracommunity spread, more routes of international spread will exist, making the existing measures in place.
I see countries like Spain, France and the UK following a similar pattern. Both started slowly, with a few cases almost always from China and later Northern Italy, and then a recent upsurge in cases and acknowldgement of intracommunity spread.
But now you see a country like Germany, which had their first case much later, but an explosion of cases nearly at the same time as the above three.
Now I look at Portugal's first two patients: One from Italy and one from Valencia. The number of different porential sources increases, perhaps more are appearing at the same time. It seems to make sense that will lead to faster intracommunity spread...
It just seems to me reasonsble to expect Portugal to follow a path that is more akin to Germany rathern than that of the UK and Spain.
Cool, thanks for the info. So does handwashing with those aloe type hand wash you get for a pound contain alcohol? Or is it basically just soap? Either way as you say just regular hand washing with soap and being thorough sounds good.In general, alcohol kills most bacteria and some viruses. COVID-19 fortunately is one of them.
Hand washing, done properly, doesn't so much kill as simply remove from your skin any virus or bacteria. Soap kills some, but it's biggest job is removing the adhesive quality of them, allowing you scrub and rinse them off your skin. The net result when properly applied, is more thorough than alcohol and has the added benefit of being much more expansive with regard to all kinds of infections, as it removes dirt where it may hide, spores, etc.
The 'good bacteria' thing is probably true, but there is no studies showing that this has any negative impact. If it worries you, just touch your arm with your hand and voila, bacteria culture restored. Don't know about the bugs thriving on alcohol.
I know this only because I had to study hand hygeine when I studied nursing, and part of that was also examining the results in uv light and petri dishes after cleaning our own hands with alcohol, casual hand wash and proper hand wash. The healthcare professional advisory was that the basis is hand washing, but if you are certain no material contamination has taken place in touching something, then sanitiser can be used for intermittent sterilisation to relieve the skin, as too frequent handwashing every day can take its toll.
Was talking to my wife about this exact thing last night. Ah, it only wipes out the elderly and immune compromised is such a strange stance.Tweet
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The stock markets are important too as every 1% increase on the unemployment rate on an average population of 300m kills around 40 thousand people by other means.Reading the trump nutters on twitter it seems like their biggest priority is ensuring the stock market isnt affected.
Doesnt matter how many people it kills, just as long as the conditions are maintained for Trumps reelection.
Looks like trump is thinking the same with his approach.
Most of them will change their tune quickly. Young people die too, just a lot less. They may, however, generate proportionatelly more coverage, newsploitation, etc.Can almost see parallels with Nazi ideology - who actively went about killing their "weak". Promoting a lack of action on the basis that it's "only them" who will die, you may as well be killing those people.
They'll be up soon when the hospital execution tables all run out.It seems like mass shootings are down because of the virus.
Instead of face, try some other more pleasurable spot. In a corona world, I am sure most people will understand it.If there's one thing I've learned from all this on a personal level is how incredibly difficult it is to go through a regular work day without touching my face and any surfaces that have been touched by tens of people.
Like in all cases, you need to find the source of the 1st tendril before it matures into a web. Where and how the 1st tendril developed is the initial primary objective. Most western countries can do this -- shift resources from terrorism to being medical contact tracers.My idea is that as more places become sources of intracommunity spread, more routes of international spread will exist, making the existing measures in place more and more innefective.
I see countries like Spain, France and the UK following a similar pattern. Both started slowly, with a few cases almost always from China and later Northern Italy, and then a recent upsurge in cases and acknowldgement of intracommunity spread.
But now you see a country like Germany, which had their first case much later, but an explosion of cases nearly at the same time as the above three.
Now I look at Portugal's first two patients: One from Italy and one from Valencia. The number of different porential sources increases, perhaps more are appearing at the same time. It seems to make sense that will lead to faster intracommunity spread...
It just seems to me reasonsble to expect Portugal to follow a path that is more akin to Germany rathern than that of the UK and Spain.
I don’t know if brad Pitts character in the big short is a good source of infoThe stock markets are important too as every 1% increase on the unemployment rate on an average population of 300m kills around 40 thousand people by other means.
Based on real info. It was from that and I read a lot of stuff based on that movie too.I don’t know if brad Pitts character in the big short is a good source of info
imagine the end of it said "michael barry invests in one commodity now.... hand sanitizer"Based on real info. It was from that and I read a lot of stuff based on that movie too.
Exactly right. All I've heard from Trump supporters around me is : Corona virus is nothing to worry about / but what is the stock market doing? I get the not getting too worried about the virus part (I'm definitely the last to think the world is ending in that regard) but for Christ sake I can totally understand why others are freaking out and worried. It just continously amazes me how infatuated some folks are with this president that all they care about is making sure he gets re elected literally without regard for human life.Reading the trump nutters on twitter it seems like their biggest priority is ensuring the stock market isnt affected.
Doesnt matter how many people it kills, just as long as the conditions are maintained for Trumps reelection.
Looks like trump is thinking the same with his approach.
imagine the end of it said "michael barry invests in one commodity now.... hand sanitizer"
It'll sweep through them like the janitor grim reaper in a nursing home considering half of politicians are the wrong side of 60.Weaklings, the lot of our leaders
I know what you mean. If I get it, fine. I'll sit on my arse for a couple of weeks. But there's a big chance that four kids are also going to get it too and that's what worries me.My biggest fear is not me catching it, but it's the fact that those around me catch it and suffer very negatively. It's really sad.
Its taken a massive hit with minimal to no repsonse from the entire world.The stock markets are important too as every 1% increase on the unemployment rate on an average population of 300m kills around 40 thousand people by other means.
Kids are fine. There have been cases in Singapore where 2 day old and a 2-month-old infant were confirmed to have the virus. But they have both been discharged. In fact, globally, there has not been any fatality for kids under 9 y.oI know what you mean. If I get it, fine. I'll sit on my arse for a couple of weeks. But there's a big chance that four kids are also going to get it too and that's what worries me.
That would be an extraordinary measure but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that is being considered so I’d take it with a pinch of salt.Am still in Phuket. Not a big deal here at all! Really don't understand the Western hysteria over this.
Anyway, there was a rumour swirling around the hotel I'm staying at that UK Government is considering stopping all international flights in and out of UK for an indefinite period, and that Cabinet was meeting today to decide. I've searched on google and cant find any credible sources stating this.
Anyone in UK know if this is true?
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Again, why is he not taken to task on comments like this? He disputes his own intelligence agency, and now he simply refuses to believe the WHO.Trump to Hannity on WHO saying coronavirus death rate is 3.4%:
"I think the 3.4% number is really a false number. Now this is just my hunch, but based on a lot of conversations ... personally, I'd say the number is way under 1%."
Astoundingly irresponsible.
It’s literally all he cares aboutReading the trump nutters on twitter it seems like their biggest priority is ensuring the stock market isnt affected.
Doesnt matter how many people it kills, just as long as the conditions are maintained for Trumps reelection.
Looks like trump is thinking the same with his approach.
Don’t think it’s just a Western thing. China have locked down and closed off entire cities with double the population of some European countries. Places like South Korea and Japan have introduced extraordinary measures to contain it. And it seems to be completely out of control in Iran with government officials dying and people collapsing in the street, leading all of Iran’s neighbors to close their border.Really don't understand the Western hysteria over this
Child prostitution and slavery isn't a big deal either in Thailand.Am still in Phuket. Not a big deal here at all! Really don't understand the Western hysteria over this.
Might you be more inclined to help if you, and of course oates, had already had the virus and were probably immune? I know you were a volunteer worker back in England so you have the public spirit in you.I see there's talk about asking retired doctors and nurses to return to help out in the UK. I also see the the Nursing and Midwifery Council have just brought in a much quicker way to return to practice than the previous fairly comprehensive clinical and academic programme that you had to complete, which was several months long - now you can do an online theory test and an OSCE practical.
Cynical me thinks the new arrangements are aimed at combatting the effects of Brexit on the nursing workforce, but I suppose it might help now for nurses who are prepared to return in light of Covid-19. However, I don't think many older, retired doctors and nurses will be rushing back to work in these circumstances.
If we were living in the UK, I certainly wouldn't be volunteering. Retired staff are in the older age group which is at-risk.
Hmmmm so China quarantining entire cities of millions of people, welding their apartment doors shut is just western hysteria?Am still in Phuket. Not a big deal here at all! Really don't understand the Western hysteria over this.
Anyway, there was a rumour swirling around the hotel I'm staying at that UK Government is considering stopping all international flights in and out of UK for an indefinite period, and that Cabinet was meeting today to decide. I've searched on google and cant find any credible sources stating this.
Anyone in UK know if this is true?
There's no confirmation that immunity is gained once you have it though? Even a few cases of getting re-infected, although the finer details aren't quite clear...Might you be more inclined to help if you, and of course oates, had already had the virus and were probably immune? I know you were a volunteer worker back in England so you have the public spirit in you.
It's a question for all of us really, as if the shit hits big style it's not just qualified medical staff like your good self that will be required, it will be cleaners, porters, drivers, cook's assistants and dogsbodies in general. I don't know what I'd do to be honest. I suspect there tends to be a herd mentality with these things, like going to war, and individuals get swept up in the general will.