The dominos that will fall because of Covid-19

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The EU will be weakened. Every country in the EU is going their own way when it comes to responding to this, and Schengen will come under question.
 

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The EU will be weakened. Every country in the EU is going their own way when it comes to responding to this, and Schengen will come under question.
It won't because these are special measures. In fact, the EU will be stronger because lot of countries will need interest free credit lines.
 
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This will probably be the historical event that convinces humans they have to cooperate more in the future.
A quick look at twitter and all the brexit loons are evoking ww2 and having a go at anyone that's got concerns based on scientific advice.

Don't forget England knows best and people are sick of experts....
 

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A quick look at twitter and all the brexit loons are evoking ww2 and having a go at anyone that's got concerns based on scientific advice.

Don't forget England knows best and people are sick of experts....
Sadly I think this nationalist rhetoric gets stronger because of this, not weaker. More control of borders, more suspicion of immigrants, more acceptance of authoritarian measures in the public interest.
 
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The EU will be weakened. Every country in the EU is going their own way when it comes to responding to this, and Schengen will come under question.
Not sure where you get your news

Yes countries are righlty restricting travel. But the EU is coordinating a joint approach to the virus - such as an EU wide ban on the export of medical equipment... to stop poorly prepared countries like UK from trying to procure vital equipment.

Amazing how people outside the EU always predict it's end, when it would only end if the 27 EU member states wanted it to, and the 27 countries are fully committed to it and value the project highly.
 

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I'll bet a big stack of your disposable income goes to those corporations though Mr holier than thou.

Billions on no deal? Better than billions being thrown as free money to other countries that contribute nothing.
I don't even know where to start.
 

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I think this is going to escalate the existing tensions in America massively if this outbreak is as bad as anticipated. Sad to say there won't be any unity on this one but a lot of blame shifting. I do wonder if some of Trump's supporters will turn.
Theyll turn alright.. into zombies when they die
 

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Not sure where you get your news

Yes countries are righlty restricting travel. But the EU is coordinating a joint approach to the virus - such as an EU wide ban on the export of medical equipment... to stop poorly prepared countries like UK from trying to procure vital equipment.

Amazing how people outside the EU always predict it's end, when it would only end if the 27 EU member states wanted it to, and the 27 countries are fully committed to it and value the project highly.
Why do you assume I'm outside the EU?! Weird assumption. I live in Denmark. I see very different approaches from our neighboring countries into how they're operating on different levels of government
 

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Theyll turn alright.. into zombies when they die
It surely has to be a turning point and a sort of 'this is what you get when you elect a reality TV star narcissist as your president' wake up call.

I've read the opposing views of people who think Boris has done the right thing over here and those who think he's needlessly endangered a lot of people and I don't know the answer, i'm just some guy on the internet. IF, however, he's made a major blunder I don't see how he or his party recover from this. I can see that happening with a lot of governments around the world (America especially) if they feck this up badly. People are going to be very pissed off if things go wrong.
 

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If shit his the fan in the UK I can see the Tories being destroyed in an election for there handling of it.

It could be quite the opposite in Ireland though where the 2 "big" parties were hammered in the recent elections but there handling of this could lead to a surge in support in the next election.
 

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We had a Conference Call this morning and, in our industry, airlines, huge change is probable.

As most European airlines are dual national, we'e wondering who is going to pay to bail them out of their financial crises.

IAG = British Airways in the UK ; Iberia and Level and Vueling in Spain ; Aer Lingus in Ireland. Who's going to pay up to keep this company alive. The UK Government or the Spanish Government or the Irish Government.. If the UK Government pays up, how can they be sure that the money won't be used to prop up the Spanish and Irish parts of IAG. Likewise the Spanish Government might decide they won't support the Irish and UK parts of the Group.

And the Irish Government ?? They can't afford to prop up the Irish share of IAG Group AND Ryanair who will no doubt want equal treatment and are 10 times bigger than Aer Lingus.

And it's not just three nation IAG, of course

Lufthansa Group is the owner of Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines, Austrian Airlines and Swiss.

And, of course, here we have Air France / Dutch KLM.

Seriously critical times ahead in our business which will change the industry and air travel for a generation
 

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See Branson has his begging bowl out straight away asking the government for a huge bail out while putting his staff on 8 weeks unpaid leave.

 

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See Branson has his begging bowl out straight away asking the government for a huge bail out while putting his staff on 8 weeks unpaid leave.

Virgin’s reaction to this has been disgraceful. They are one of the least needing companies in the world demanding a bailout.

On a more position note of change I suspect businesses will be more willing to let people work from home in the future. Anymore positive ones?
 

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I didn't say that NHS staff were snowflakes so please don't misquote me. The fact is that healthcare funding is expensive; and does require that choices have to be made. In the UK we're very good at it and have the among highest paid senior clinical staff of those countries with publically funded health-care systems.

The money tree that many of the self righteous think exists relies on a combination of debt being piled on to future generations and gambling on stock market growth. Not a good idea me thinks....
"Methinks"?
Gadzooks! Art thou a 16th century rapscallion sweet cuz?
If shit his the fan in the UK I can see the Tories being destroyed in an election for there handling of it.
Not a chance. fecking Prospero and his ilk will blame the self righteous elite and vote them in again.
 

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If shit his the fan in the UK I can see the Tories being destroyed in an election for there handling of it.

It could be quite the opposite in Ireland though where the 2 "big" parties were hammered in the recent elections but there handling of this could lead to a surge in support in the next election.
I wouldn't count on it, there's still around 5 years until the next election and it would require Labour to actually be electable.
 

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  • Pollution will fall drastically in the short term
  • Countries and individuals will face the ethical dilemma of helping themselves or others
  • Medicine ingredients will become much more expensive
  • Sub-Saharan countries will suffer terribly
  • China will strengthen
  • Covid will mutate
  • Unemployment will sky rocket
  • Emerging currencies will crash
  • Capitalism will be tested in many countries
  • Coups
  • Instability
  • Anarchy
And now, for the worst case scenario: more and more people will feel so alone that they'll start streaming live feeds on FB of them doing ridiculously mundane things.
 

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I wouldn't count on it, there's still around 5 years until the next election and it would require Labour to actually be electable.
It might not just be this though, it's a combination of the privatisation of the NHS, Brexit, austerity...

...surely people are going to have that 'hang on a minute' realisation if they handle this badly as well.
 

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It might not just be this though, it's a combination of the privatisation of the NHS, Brexit, austerity...

...surely people are going to have that 'hang on a minute' realisation if they handle this badly as well.
You would think that but we had 10 years of Tory shit and people gave them a landslide victory. Boris could probably shit into the mouths of every voter in the country and I'd still expect a close contest.
 

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You would think that but we had 10 years of Tory shit and people gave them a landslide victory. Boris could probably shit into the mouths of every voter in the country and I'd still expect a close contest.
Indeed.
There is no limit to the scope of people's gullibility.

He is on an extensive 'honeymoon' period and I can see that lasting for a long time yet.

Anyway. If things get bad, he can always use the 'get coronavirus done' and people will lap it up.
 

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  • Pollution will fall drastically in the short term
  • Countries and individuals will face the ethical dilemma of helping themselves or others
  • Medicine ingredients will become much more expensive
  • Sub-Saharan countries will suffer terribly
  • China will strengthen
  • Covid will mutate
  • Unemployment will sky rocket
  • Emerging currencies will crash
  • Capitalism will be tested in many countries
  • Coups
  • Instability
  • Anarchy
And now, for the worst case scenario: more and more people will feel so alone that they'll start streaming live feeds on FB of them doing ridiculously mundane things.
Capitalism has failed the test big time twice in less than 10 years. The search for eternal economical growth will always end on fail because of snowball effects. The big corps are the exception that confirm the rule.
 

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There could be an actual realignment in US politics. Mitt Romney and Tom Cotton have called for major assistance including a 1k UBI (for US citizens), while Grover Norquist and a few others have told their party to not allow any welfare spending so that the incentive to work isn't removed. Basically the Republicans will be split between a kindof Nazbol faction led by Trump and the Koch faction of open borders and misery inside the borders.

The Democrats' response to the GOP possibly outflanking their House bill from the left? A $250/month UBI from Harris which does not apply to unemployed people (source). So with a veteran grand-bargainer at their head, the Dems could officially become the socially liberal and fiscally conservative party, and I don't think that has much of a base anywhere.
 

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Still don't see it.

Unless it is the event that finally gets people in the West to steer away from divisive leaders, this may just make it worse.
This.

Greater cooperation was the motivation behind the UN, the EU, and the League of Nations, and yet, with the best will in the world, only the EU has really been anywhere near successful. The UN is at best, a qualified success, while the LoN, the less said about that shitshow, the better.
 

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If China can continue to suppress the outbreak and it explodes uncontrollably in the US, China will surpass the United States as the world's foremost power within the next five years.
It's already passed it tbh. We just don't know it yet cos of our Eurocentric media that still thinks Anglo-American Exceptionalism is still a thing.
 

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There could be an actual realignment in US politics. Mitt Romney and Tom Cotton have called for major assistance including a 1k UBI (for US citizens), while Grover Norquist and a few others have told their party to not allow any welfare spending so that the incentive to work isn't removed. Basically the Republicans will be split between a kindof Nazbol faction led by Trump and the Koch faction of open borders and misery inside the borders.

The Democrats' response to the GOP possibly outflanking their House bill from the left? A $250/month UBI from Harris which does not apply to unemployed people (source). So with a veteran grand-bargainer at their head, the Dems could officially become the socially liberal and fiscally conservative party, and I don't think that has much of a base anywhere.
Tbh, and I could be wrong here, hasn't this always been the case? Or at least since Clinton? Both Blue and Red are essentially the same in what their stated outcomes are, they just have slight differences in the way they go about them?

Of course, notwithstanding the developments post- the Tea Party movement and its residual impacts which we can now see in the form of the GOP and Trump, which has obviously necessitated a similar reaction leftwards in the grass roots at least, of the Dems.
 

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Tbh, and I could be wrong here, hasn't this always been the case? Or at least since Clinton? Both Blue and Red are essentially the same in what their stated outcomes are, they just have slight differences in the way they go about them?

Of course, notwithstanding the developments post- the Tea Party movement and its residual impacts which we can now see in the form of the GOP and Trump, which has obviously necessitated a similar reaction leftwards in the grass roots at least, of the Dems.
Yes, but the GOP was/is always on the right on economic issues - deeper tax cuts, deeper spending cuts, going from Romneycare to calling it Hitlerism.
 

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There could be an actual realignment in US politics. Mitt Romney and Tom Cotton have called for major assistance including a 1k UBI (for US citizens)
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So with a veteran grand-bargainer at their head, the Dems could officially become the socially liberal and fiscally conservative party, and I don't think that has much of a base anywhere.
 

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Winter + poverty + bad hygiene + dodgy hospitals + TB + Aids + Covid = suffering :(

People look at Iran now, or Italy, etc... The big crisis is yet to come. And it'll center around Southern Africa.
That's a large generalisation.

In theory, maybe. But African airports have been screening everyone who lands for well over a month (at least in Ghana & Nigeria, based on what my friends & mum have told me) and sub-saharan Africa specifically is the continent which is currently showing the slowest growth in new cases, and the least amount of deceased too.
Plus I think there are further plans to close borders to other African countries & limit outside travel too. That's far more organised than many plans set up by Western countries.

Could it grow in the future? Sure, but I don't think automatic 'suffering' considering the continent has dealt with far worse.

Also due to a lot of those situations you listed like bad hygiene, dodgy hospitals & something like malaria - I think there's a possibility of sub-saharan africans having a built-up immune system to help combat the virus - that's based on nothing more than a gut-feeling & anecdotal evidence of course.
 

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It's already passed it tbh. We just don't know it yet cos of our Eurocentric media that still thinks Anglo-American Exceptionalism is still a thing.
Well, it hasn't. Not when the dollar is still the reserve currency of the world and the US stock markets are 50% of global market cap.