SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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what the feck is wrong with him?

felt flu symptoms on the Saturday, had a nap and felt better so still went out socialising
This kind of nonsense does more harm than good. It is more likely to make people roll their eyes and not heed advice.

One person going for a walk in the middle of nowhere. "YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE!" Piss off.
 

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I don't think this is all that wrong. The government's advice isn't that clear. They said you can get about an hours exercise in provided that you practice distancing measures unless those people live with you. People seem to be more distanced here than they would at a local park or shop.

Did the government set any limits on how you could go from your house?
It's non-essential travel. It's really not that difficult, is it?
 

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I couldn't get flour but everything else I needed was available. Parmesan, balsamic, horseradish, mozzarella, mint clubs and Spitfire ale were my main gets.
Now that’s an episode of Ready, Steady, Cook right there.
 

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I don't think this is all that wrong. The government's advice isn't that clear. They said you can get about an hours exercise in provided that you practice distancing measures unless those people live with you. People seem to be more distanced here than they would at a local park or shop.

Did the government set any limits on how you could go from your house?
The idea of an hour came because that was said in France and people got confused with it being said in the UK. Once it was posted by said confused people on facebook and the like it became established fact, which it wasn't. The UK government said you could exercise once a day, there was no time or distance limit, although police forces have since said you must do the exercise from home, and not travel by car to do it.
 

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Here we go. My first real brush with a suspected COVID-19. It is not only in my small rural midlands village, but less than 100m from my door as it has hospitalised two of my best friends Mum and Step Dad.

Flu like for the last 3 days, a huge wait to get through to 111 yesterday and both wheeled into ambulances with oxygen masks this morning. My friends have said the hospital strongly suspects the virus.
 

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Apologies if this question has already been asked, but with most of Europe confined to their house / home and facing fines or jail if they leave it, why do TV Channels keep showing the weather forecasts every hour or so.
Because working from home in the garden is one of the perks of this. Fantastic weather in Manchester.
 

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So they've filmed people who are getting their exercise in what is probably a place much less crowded than outside their houses, got the footage back, edited it and then posted in on Facebook. Wow, essential work that.
 

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It's non-essential travel. It's really not that difficult, is it?
Technically exercise is non-essential, I think people haven't been given clear enough advice on what is or isn't allowed.
The idea of an hour came because that was said in France and people got confused with it being said in the UK. Once it was posted by said confused people on facebook and the like it became established fact, which it wasn't. The UK government said you could exercise once a day, there was no time or distance limit, although police forces have since said you must do the exercise from home, and not travel by car to do it.
Fair enough but I don't think this message got through to people. Those people will think "we're in a car and then we're staying well away from others so what's the harm?" I don't see any bad intentions. If this is purely to put people off going out then fine but people need to be given clear instructions on what they can or can't do.
 

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Here we go. My first real brush with a suspected COVID-19. It is not only in my small rural midlands village, but less than 100m from my door as it has hospitalised two of my best friends Mum and Step Dad.

Flu like for the last 3 days, a huge wait to get through to 111 yesterday and both wheeled into ambulances with oxygen masks this morning. My friends have said the hospital strongly suspects the virus.
Sorry to hear that, wishing them and you all the best!
 

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Hang on. This article is based on his comments at the Parliamentary Select Committee, which I watched yesterday, and it gravely misrepresents the overall tone of the proceedings.
 

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Apologies if this question has already been asked, but with most of Europe confined to their house / home and facing fines or jail if they leave it, why do TV Channels keep showing the weather forecasts every hour or so.
"We did this Chinese virus better than anyone. More tests, more infected , more recovered and more deaths. Nobody had bigger numbers than we did. Tremendous numbers."
 

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Technically exercise is non-essential, I think people haven't been given clear enough advice on what is or isn't allowed.
No doubt it could be clearer, but it's not difficult to work out that getting in your car to drive to do exercise is covered by 'no non-essential travel' given that you can do exercise within km of your house. Nobody needs to essentially drive to a national park to go for a walk, if you happen to have one on your doorstep lucky you.

Most of the advice isn't difficult, people are acting like babies trying to look for loopholes to go about their life like normal. See also: 'What if I go for a 24hr walk once a day, huh, huh huh?'.
 

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Apparently around 1,400 people die a day in England and Wales which means weekly the numbers are bigger than the overall Covid19 deaths in Italy.

Makes you think.
 

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So China has stuffed Italy.......sending them testing kits that are suspect.
 

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The Sunak is back in a leading role.

Apparently around 1,400 people die a day in England and Wales which means weekly the numbers are bigger than the overall Covid19 deaths in Italy.

Makes you think.
Hence why not nuking the economy is important in trying to deal with this best we can. COVID-19 ain’t everything.
 

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Fair enough but I don't think this message got through to people. Those people will think "we're in a car and then we're staying well away from others so what's the harm?" I don't see any bad intentions. If this is purely to put people off going out then fine but people need to be given clear instructions on what they can or can't do.
Yes, I'm a distance walker and my initial response was exactly that, it would be ok to travel somewhere isolated by car and start the exercise from there. Unfortunately most people don't go somewhere isolated, they think they do but they actually go to the same well-known places and popular car parking spots, and that's knackered it for the rest of us.
Problem is I live in Saddleworth and can comfortably walk out onto the tops. Am I gonna get perved on by the police?
From what I've seen on facebook the police are targeting car parking areas and cars travelling to them. I've not heard of anyone being challenged whilst walking yet. Enjoy Saddleworth, I can easily walk 10 miles from where I live, but I'd rather be up there with you!
 

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I think impact on county and progress of virus are kind of the same thing but appreciate we’re splitting hairs! Both sets of data are obviously important.
As if right on queue, the Italian government has provided the following today to answer this very question:

First of all, the growth in the number of total cases, rather than the increase in the currently positive ones, because it is the only number that really accounts for increases or decreases in infections. But also the number of deaths, which is the fact that day by day, unfortunately, gives an immediate idea of the progress of the epidemic.

The data (of active cases) a very important fact, due to the limited number of intensive care places in Italian hospitals and the pressure that this type of treatment has on the health system.
Anyway, let's leave it at that.
 

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Hence why not nuking the economy is important in trying to deal with this best we can. COVID-19 ain’t everything.
Begs the question, why are Italy's funeral parlors being overwhelmed when they probably get those type of overall Covid19 death numbers weekly.
 

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Begs the question, why are Italy's funeral parlors being overwhelmed when they probably get those type of overall Covid19 death numbers weekly.
They're still also getting all of those other deaths on top of all the Corona deaths. In fact there will be a lot more people dying of things other than the Corona virus than normal, due to the overloaded hospital systems


There's also probably a much stricter protocol they have to follow for Corona deaths due to the high contagious risk, must take up a lot of extra resources.
 
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Another fairly bad day in Italy with 6153 new cases. I'm not sure why but Thursday, Friday and Saturday are always a bad day for these numbers, Saturday in particular. Interesting to see if that translates to other countries and why. People getting together on the previous weekend?
 

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Begs the question, why are Italy's funeral parlors being overwhelmed when they probably get those type of overall Covid19 death numbers weekly.
The covid numbers will be on top of any numbers they experience currently btw, it isn't a one or another. If the hospitals are struggling, then it's clear the supply chain for death management will struggle too.
 

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Another fairly bad day in Italy with 6153 new cases. I'm not sure why but Thursday, Friday and Saturday are always a bad day for these numbers, Saturday in particular. Interesting to see if that translates to other countries and why. People getting together on the previous weekend?
If I were to guess, I'd say that more contact between people happens at the weekend and then they test positive 3-6 days later.
 

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The covid numbers will be on top of any numbers they experience currently btw, it isn't a one or another. If the hospitals are struggling, then it's clear the supply chain for death management will struggle too.
@Dancfc So far in March in Bergamo (the worst hit area) there have been 446 deaths when the average over recent years was 98. Only 136 were officially attributed to the virus.
 

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Just done a 2.5 hour walk with the dog and met maybe five people total. I like this world.
 

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@Revan, I watched all of that "A Closer Look". Very depressing when it's put that way.
It is. The lives of many people kind of defend how Trump is feeling that day and if he is listening to Fauci, or to some random guy in Fox news.

I thought that the initial response in the US was really bad (except banning travelling from China which was a good decision), but on the last 10 days it has responded quite good. But now, the moron in chief seems to want to undo everything at the hope of wishing that the problem goes away.

It is something to say we want to remove some restrictions on Easter, so some people can go to work, while being more careful. But 'I want fully packed churches' is actually mass murder. It is like he is the biggest hater of Christianity, and wants as many Christians to die.
 

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Yes, I'm a distance walker and my initial response was exactly that, it would be ok to travel somewhere isolated by car and start the exercise from there. Unfortunately most people don't go somewhere isolated, they think they do but they actually go to the same well-known places and popular car parking spots, and that's knackered it for the rest of us.

From what I've seen on facebook the police are targeting car parking areas and cars travelling to them. I've not heard of anyone being challenged whilst walking yet. Enjoy Saddleworth, I can easily walk 10 miles from where I live, but I'd rather be up there with you!
Yeh it's really nice, especially with weather like this! There were definitely people driving out to car parks around here for walks but it is still relatively quiet.