SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[dumbo]

99,198 negative.
14,579 positive.

Again, doesn't this seem to refute this novel idea that the virus has been widely circulating for some time, infecting half the population. If anything it suggests that the vast majority haven't yet had it and already it's hurting badly.

Edit: I suppose the figures don't actually account for those who have had it.

 

[Lj82]

I thought that I had read somewhere but have not the foggiest where that one of the reasons why China, South Korea etc appear to have gotten a faster handle on this disease is that they invested heavily in infectious disease clinics during the SARS outbreak and mothballed the facilities afterwards......which if true was more than any western country did.

I wrote a post earlier about this. SARS clearly left an impact on policy and the psyche of the people here in Asia.

In Singapore, the government drafted contingency plans, planned for new infrastructure like a very high tech National Center for Infectious Disease, store food and medical supplies. The health network, both private send public, have detailed drills drawn up. Recently read this account from an expat regarding his experience going through the system.

 

[DOTA]

My biggest concern regarding the UK government's approach right now is the fiddling of the death toll.

 

[redshaw]

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UK Dates​	UK Deaths​	Italy Dates​	Italy Deaths​	Spain Dates​	Spain Deaths​	France Dates​	France Deaths​
March 8th​	3​	Feb 23rd​	3​	March 5th​	3​	March 2nd​	3​
March 9th​	5​	Feb 24th​	7​	March 6th​	8​	March 3rd​	4​
March 10th​	6​	Feb 25th​	11​	March 7th​	10​	March 4th​	4​
March 11th​	8​	Feb 26th​	12​	March 8th​	17​	March 5th​	7​
March 12th​	10​	Feb 27th​	17​	March 9th​	30​	March 6th​	9​
March 13th​	11​	Feb 28th​	21​	March 10th​	36​	March 7th​	16​
March 14th​	21​	Feb 29th​	29​	March 11th​	55​	March 8th​	19​
March 15th​	35​	March 1st​	41​	March 12th​	86​	March 9th​	30​
March 16th​	55​	March 2nd​	52​	March 13th​	133​	March 10th​	33​
March 17th​	71​	March 3rd​	79​	March 14th​	196​	March 11th​	48​
March 18th​	104​	March 4th​	107​	March 15th​	294​	March 12th​	61​
March 19th​	144​	March 5th​	148​	March 16th​	342​	March 13th​	79​
March 20th​	177​	March 6th​	197​	March 17th​	533​	March 14th​	91​
March 21st​	233​	March 7th​	233​	March 18th​	638​	March 15th​	127​
March 22nd​	281​	March 8th​	366​	March 19th​	833​	March 16th​	148​
March 23rd​	335​	March 9th​	463​	March 20th​	1,093​	March 17th​	175​
March 24th​	422​	March 10th​	631​	March 21st​	1,381​	March 18th​	244​
March 25th​	468​	March 11th​	827​	March 22nd​	1,813​	March 19th​	372​
March 26th​	578​	March 12th​	1,016​	March 23rd​	2,207​	March 20th​	450​
March 27th​	759​	March 13th​	1,266​	March 24th​	2,696​	March 21st​	562​
​	​	March 14th​	1,441​	March 25th​	3,434​	March 22nd​	674​
​	​	March 15th​	1,809​	March 26th​	4,145​	March 23rd​	860​
​	​	March 16th​	2,158​	March 27th​	4,858​	March 24th​	1100​
​	​	March 17th​	2,503​	​	​	March 25th​	1331​
​	​	​	​	​	​	March 26th​	1,696​

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UK data on deaths have changed to half a day behind. Used to be as of 9am today but now it's as of 5pm yesterday.

 

[F-Red]

Today's data is 5pm Wednesday evening to Thursday 5pm. We aren't that far behind Italy at this moment in time. I expect it to be 2k+ in a week's time.

 

[spiriticon]

This is horrible, horrible fecking disease.

Bring back swine flu instead

 

[Water Melon]

Fecking tragic.

 

[Utd heap]

My biggest concern regarding the UK government's approach right now is the fiddling of the death toll.

What on earth makes you think they are doing that?

 

[Lj82]

yes - though apparently there is "lobbying" for gove to take over ... (presumably because is a horrible power obsessed opportunistic tosser)

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/23/government-draws-plans-boris-johnson-catches-coronavirus-12443291/

I've got an ignorant question here. Does the UK governance system not have any deputy PM? Normally Singapore would haves two. I always assume it's the same in the UK since the Singapore system is modelled after the British system.

 

[Prometheus]

My biggest concern regarding the UK government's approach right now is the fiddling of the death toll.

Same. I don't think it's actually true that they need consent for stats.

 

[spiriticon]

Fecking tragic.

fecking bullshit.

I wonder how much of the attributed high death toll to the older people is because respirators are given to the younger instead. Undeserved death sentence.

So sad.

 

[DOTA]

What on earth makes you think they are doing that?

The new rule they brought in in the last couple days where families have to give consent before deaths will be added to the official figure. It's clearly designed to reduce the death toll. There is no issue regarding anonymity when we're talking about anonymous data.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Fecking tragic.

Horrible. The worst thing is we heard it all before in Italy. And we'll no doubt hear it again in the US, now.

 

[Prometheus]

fecking bullshit.

I wonder how much of the attributed high death toll to the older people is because respirators are given to the younger instead. Undeserved death sentence.

So sad.

Very sad indeed.

 

[DOTA]

Same. I don't think it's actually true that they need consent for stats.

It's not. There is no legal basis for it. Nor a moral one.

 

[F-Red]

Same. I don't think it's actually true that they need consent for stats.

You're correct, Public Health England does not need consent for death statistics when they compile the National Death Statistics.

 

[11101]

Fecking tragic.

Tragic and it makes you wonder how bad it is in Spain considering the faster growth there.

In Italy there was a lot of talk about having to triage patients and decide who gets respirators but as far as I know it only ended up happening in a handful of cases and nobody actually had a respirator taken away from them.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

To be fair, no country had an abundance of ICU beds and ventilators.

That's why we need to stay at home.

 

[macheda14]

fecking bullshit.

I wonder how much of the attributed high death toll to the older people is because respirators are given to the younger instead. Undeserved death sentence.

So sad.

I mean it's not as simple as they're only giving them to the younger patients simply because they're younger. It's more they're giving them to those they think can handle it and have a chance of surviving. Some people have been put on ventilators for 20 days +, and the longer you're on one the less likely it looks like you'll pull through. It's a terrible decision to make and one that doctors don't want to, but they'll just think 'will this patient survive and how long will they need the ventilator for?'. If you have a choice between someone who due to their age/health/frailty might not survive and use the ventilator for a long time, vs a younger patient who looks more likely to recover in a third of the time - thereby freeing the ventilator up - who do you choose?

 

[jojojo]

181 plus:

1. Those whose families they couldn't reach to get consent to put them on the list.
2. Those who haven't died in hospital

I agree you on point 2, there will be people dying outside hospital (by their own choice or through negligence/neglect) who won't be counted, won't be autopsied, and will never have even been tested.

On point 1, I think the issue over data protection consent doesn't relate to the overall number. Rather, it's the fact that local health authorities aren't now offering details like, "man aged 75, with multiple comorbidities" etc." I'm assuming that's still available to epidemiologists though.

If it's anything else, then it's not what I was told was being discussed with the NHS digital unit last week. Have any of the mainstream media suggested this is happening?

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Trump...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...s-this-weekend-on-plan-to-reopen-economy.html

Americans..

https://pics.me.me/according-to-my-calculations-justice-were-all-going-to-die-24340962.png

 

[Virgil]

The new rule they brought in in the last couple days where families have to give consent before deaths will be added to the official figure. It's clearly designed to reduce the death toll. There is no issue regarding anonymity when we're talking about anonymous data.

Can you post the government link for this assertion?

 

[Prometheus]

Have any of the mainstream media suggested this is happening?

It was on the BBC.

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[Sultan]

Boris should have worn a letterbox

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/...NYjO-GATx2XSFQbXB5q5UnhdEn4P12jzJCXLcQttDa8gD

 

[Mogget]

The supermarkets are ridiculous. My sister is a police officer in Derby and says people are just going for the sake of going because it's the only place they're allowed out. People have been banned because of visiting the same supermarket 3/4 times a day. Absolute idiots.

There's something in the water in the Midlands. I've noticed the supermarkets there have been utter chaos in the last few weeks, moreso than other parts of the country.

 

[Dumbstar]

Boris should have worn a letterbox

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_mPgNYjO-GATx2XSFQbXB5q5UnhdEn4P12jzJCXLcQttDa8gD

The Queen had the right idea with her different coloured hijabs earlier this week.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

The consent thing was fake news. There was a change in the times the deaths were reported because as they rose the 2pm deadline was too difficult to make to verify the data. On the day they switched to releasing the confirmed figures in the morning the stats became distorted over a couple of days.

 

[afrocentricity]

So you’re not interested in discovering how Covid-19 is linked to satanic child-sex trafficking rings run by the world’s elite?

No not particularly, I draw the line somewhere below that one.

 

[Prometheus]

The consent thing was fake news. There was a change in the times the deaths were reported because as they rose the 2pm deadline was too difficult to make to verify the data. On the day they switched to releasing the confirmed figures in the morning the stats became distorted over a couple of days.

Interesting. Any links on that? Did the BBC issue a correction?

 

[11101]

The consent thing was fake news. There was a change in the times the deaths were reported because as they rose the 2pm deadline was too difficult to make to verify the data. On the day they switched to releasing the confirmed figures in the morning the stats became distorted over a couple of days.

Makes sense. I don't think they've actually made the 2pm deadline for about a week now. Italy struggles with 6pm.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Interesting. Any links on that? Did the BBC issue a correction?

Think it was on the official briefing last night by the government from the health official but James O’Brien covered it on his show too

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...-obrien-dispels-fake-news-around-coronavirus/

I may have been wrong to say in the morning, I think the death stats are now at 5pm but the case stats are in the morning?

 

[AltiUn]

Boris should have worn a letterbox

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_mPgNYjO-GATx2XSFQbXB5q5UnhdEn4P12jzJCXLcQttDa8gD

Would have to be something full body, you can still post things through a letterbox

 

[Foxbatt]

Trump is correct in one issue that we can't wait for clinical trials to get a cure for the very sick. It's that or die so whatever could be done to save lives should be done if they have had clinical trials or not. I know that in China they did use Avigan which is a Japanese treatment for influenza and it worked fairly well. But Avigan is not certified or approved for covid19 so in many western countries it's not yet approved.

 

[OutlawGER]

I am still shocked as to how on Earth Trump has become the President of USA. This is unbelievable.

My thoughts are with all the Americans which haven't voted Trump.

To have him as your president in a crisis like this...

 

[Carolina Red]

My thoughts are with all the Americans which haven't voted Trump.

To have him as your president in a crisis like this...

It's awful.

 

[jojojo]

It was on the BBC.

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I think that's a misleading description. If anyone knows a journalist perhaps they can get it bumped up to the people who attend the daily press conference to ask about.

From what I was hearing it's the detail files like these csv's on https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-cases that they're saying can get out of step with the overall daily stats - as certain towns won't now be identified with cases for some deaths. That and the timing change, which has gone through.

Like I say though it would be good to get the press to confirm it directly on camera with one of the senior people. Anyone know a journalist who can bump it up the food chain?

 

[RobinLFC]

Very likely that the Belgian lockdown will be extended until 3 May - announcement imminent apparently.

The parties once this will all be over are going to be ridiculous. Not sure that's a good thing.

 

[11101]

I do hope I am wrong but after being stuck in the middle of this for over a month now I have noticed that on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays there are lots more cases reported and a lot more ambulance sirens around. Today they have been fecking non stop.

 

[DOTA]

One of my housemates, who is key worker, has assured me that even if we all have to quarantine together he thinks his connections will be sufficient that he will be able to find people to deliver my alcoholic self supplies at a frequency that will avoid my risk of seizure.

I utterly detest having to have had this conversation. Such is life right now.

Not fond of being a burden either, if it comes to that, but very grateful that he's willing to do what he can to help.

 

[arnie_ni]

I do hope I am wrong but after being stuck in the middle of this for over a month now I have noticed that on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays there are lots more cases reported and a lot more ambulance sirens around. Today they have been fecking non stop.

Other people have been saying this as well