What about doubles, mixed doubles, juniors, wheelchair events? Should they all be paid the same? They're at the same event too.
If you have no issue, don’t insert nonsense into a discussion and expect me to engage.
it's been explained to them a million times. Heck their own lawyer probably explained to them why they'd lose the case. It's a really really weak case and that's why it was disposed with a summary judgment (judge reviewing the evidence, realising they had no case and making a decision without needing a trial). It's like trying to explain the offside rule to a newcomer. No amount of analogies or simplification seems to get the point across. They are adamant it's consciously perpetrated discrimination and the media aren't helping with the headline style of reporting where they omit key details on why the pay pot is different
I don't expect you to engage. Just realise how nonsensical your argument was.
2018 Wimbledon is the only final (based on BBC figures) in the last 17 years when the women's final (4.6 million) had more viewers than the men's (4.5 million). This only happened because the men's final was on at the same time as the 2018 men's world cup final. The following year the men's final peaked at 9.6 million viewers which was over double the women's number for that year. You clearly don't know the difference in viewing figures and revenue between the ATP and WTA tours..
Exactly.
Yes. All national team play their players. How much they pay them is a seperate issue.
Ah, this thread summed up in a post
Following your logic the opening band has to be paid the same as the headliner.
They're not suing for club football though. They're claiming that the USA Women's team and USA Men's team should be paid the same, specifically. The women's team is more successful and more prestigious in the US. They draw comparable home crowds, although obviously at tournaments the men are getting far bigger crowds.
That’s exactly what they were hoping and the problem is the sympathy won’t dissipate much as they’ll continue to control the media narrative and continue to lie and leave out the facts so people will continue to support them. You’ve got idiots like Joe Biden who have just come out in support, demanding US Soccer pays equal pay now or he’s going to cut the funding to US Soccer when he becomes president. This, despite their case just being thrown out because they actually get paid more. Because their mass support comes from idiots who know nothing of the facts and will continue to follow their narrative blindly.
Yes. This is their job, the are getting paid for this. There doing it instead of chilling somewhere on a beach, they risk their health and potential injuries, they often train/play for weeks without being able to spend time with their families during big tournaments... and if they refuse a call up, FIFA can impose sanctions on them (not that it happens often, usually no one is bothered to do so, but it happens sometimes).
I sort of agree with you about the quality bit but on the pay side it's got to be taken at face value. If the yank women earn more revenue they surely should get more pay, especially if its privatized.
Thats about as complicated as it gets.
The days when only mens singles and only ladies singles are played are the only way we can see their true worth commercially. The prices for Wimbledon QF onwards demonstrate that the men’s matches can generate substantially more income in ticket sales, at least suggesting that it would be fair if the men were paid more. On the other days, the likelihood is that the true value is the same - with the men drawing the majority of commercial revenue - it’s just hidden as people don’t have the choice of buying a mens ticket or ladies ticket only.
I think the line he's going down there is that hardly any women would then end up as professionals in sport because they wouldnt be good enough.
I get that but it still just feels weird. I’ve just read an article on BBC which went more in depth than what I read last night, and when it was written they worked out how much each England player would have earned if the prize money over the last 122 matches was split equally between the entire squad. It came to like £2000 which is obviously a rough estimate but completely different to their normal wage. It’s almost like a traditional wage which hasn’t changed for years. The fact that no England player has accepted their fee for 13 years makes me feel less mental. Either that or someone at the FA is really good at convincing them they don’t want it. Tournament prize money
Yeah good point. So who is the best lady player in the world and what is her level?
They signed a different deal to the men and they had the opportunity to sign the same deal and choose not to.
In non-contact sports you could possibly do this, however in contact sports there is no chance this would ever work. This is due to boys/men overtaking women in physical strength from about the age of 14/15. It would just end up like watching a men's team playing a U15/U16 side.
I am sure that I read that the US women’s national team got beat by FC Dallas U15s 5-2 in a World Cup warm up game.
It wouldn’t’. It would remove women from nearly all sport. Sometimes people need to be careful of what they wish for.
That was presumably the point. True equality would be to merge the male and female professional sports and let the best people make it, regardless of gender. However, of course, everyone recognises that, in most sports, that’s not an option. Once you have segregated sports, equal pay is simply not a valid argument unless both are being paid by the same organisation and can show they are as valuable. Men’s and women’s football are entirely different things.
