You are correct in one way. But he also said sports - family only. And social distancing on top of that.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Thinking that Brighton or any other players would purposefully infect themselves should be a step too far for any decent human being. Only one thing would be worse in the footy context — players being tested positive but the club concealing or falsifying the results.
I‘d like to think that nobody would be willing to do either.
I‘d like to think that nobody would be willing to do either.
This is what I worry about. With some wanting football to proceed at any cost and so much money at stake. I mentioned that couple of posts ago when I talked about Germany. I hope that there is independet testing or at least doctors that aren’t connected to football that does those tests.
Conspiratiorial. A little bit.
According to the Liverpool Echo the PL have reached an agreement with genetics testing company Prenetics (also known as CircleDNA) to carry out C19 testing if Project Restsrt happens.
Results expected 24 hours after test - drawn criticism from Dr. John Ashton as NHS and other key workers have to wait between 24-72 hours for their results.
Results expected 24 hours after test - drawn criticism from Dr. John Ashton as NHS and other key workers have to wait between 24-72 hours for their results.
But nurses can’t bend one into the top corner from thirty yards, amirite?
Absolutely shameless, these Premier League cnuts.
As many have said all along in here.
No way should footballers be getting these preferential tests ahead of key workers
hit the nail on the head here. Liverpool are the media darlings and their 'story' of a woken giant of English football winning the league again is just too good a marketing weapon for the PL. Similarly the journalists will have pre written so much tripe about this that they are desperate for it to happen. I would love for it not to happen now, after all the plaudits they were getting, would be too funny.
What happened to this proposal that the PL would donate 2 Tests to the NHS for every test they use?
That seems to have gone quiet. Not sure it was ever a serious proposal anyway.
End of June behind closed doors at the earliest.
So we risk lives players and our own team just so that liverpool can win the league?
Feck em. Void the league. The comedy gold that ensues would be cosmic
Feck em. Void the league. The comedy gold that ensues would be cosmic
24 hours test result is like 24 hours pregnancy test while getting banged every hour.
You never know what happend the previous 24 hours
You never know what happend the previous 24 hours
Are we talking about Kyle Walker here?
Heard Simon Jordon (who I think talks sense most of the time) say they may consider paying off the teams in the bottom 3 extra money to soften the blow if they have to void the league and relegate them.
Football is having a hard time accepting it’s not relevant these days. Hearing these pundits listing all the ways football could return and hearing their justification of why it should return is something else.
“It would lift the spirit of a nation”. Really? I love football, but in this moment when the economy is crumbling and people dying, it’s a bunch of milionares running around over a football.
Not only is it difficult to organize games, but there’s also a risk when a team wins a league or a promotion. Liverpool and Leeds waited years for that and I’m pretty sure it would be hard for their fans to celebrate those succsesses at home alone.
“It would lift the spirit of a nation”. Really? I love football, but in this moment when the economy is crumbling and people dying, it’s a bunch of milionares running around over a football.
Not only is it difficult to organize games, but there’s also a risk when a team wins a league or a promotion. Liverpool and Leeds waited years for that and I’m pretty sure it would be hard for their fans to celebrate those succsesses at home alone.
So is there an acceptable number of people dying every day of the virus that you would be OK with ?
One thing that has become apparent since this outbreak is just how easily people can be consumed & controlled by fear. I've posted a link below from a Swedish Professor who classes covid-19 as a 'mild' virus, & claims that strict lockdowns will not work over the long term. From my own personal experience of working in the food manufacturing industry for a company that employs over 600 people on all shifts is that we've continued to work, & a total of 30 colleagues (across all the shifts) have now been tested positive for the virus. Thankfully none have of them have suffered any major problems & most have returned back to full time work with just a handful due to return in the next week or so. I'm not downplaying the seriousness of the disease because it's highly infectious & is currently killing a lot of people. However very, very few of those who die are youngish, fit people with no underlying health issues. So when someone on here says that Paul Pogba could suffer serious lung problems if he were infected by playing football. I'd say he's got more chance of picking it up from going into somewhere like Bensons for Beds or the Trafford Centre when they eventually re-open in the next couple of months.
Speaking as a Liverpool fan myself, if you read through my posts on this topic I've actually suggested that football should be halted until such time that everyone is happy enough that it's safe to do so. But I know one thing for certain, if the FA & PL wrote this season off this morning without any promotion, relegation, or named us as champions. I can guarantee you an awful lot of United fans on here would be singing a different tune this afternoon saying that there's no reason why the new season can't start in just a few months time.
https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/
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Yep especially the ones that have a problem with people moaning and being negative and they express this by moaning and being negative.
this might be the longest ever thread of pure arguments between United and Liverpool fans
it hasn't gone anywhere in nearly 300 pages
it hasn't gone anywhere in nearly 300 pages
The PL will get a lot of criticism for this, but I dont see the issue to be honest. If they'd outbid the Government to get the contract or something perhaps. But if this company they've signed up with had the testing capacity and the NHS/UK Gov didn't want to use it, then its not really on the Premier League for using them. What are they supposed to do, pay for the tests but give them to the NHS? Deliberately take longer? I get why it feels off, but its not the PL's fault for once.
Its possible that they aren't in any way depriving the NHS of tests. But at a time when there is still thousands of people dying every week, and many NHS worker still not having easy access to tests then the optics of this from a PR perspective are horrible for the PL.
Why will PL be criticised? They aren't taking resources away from NHS. In fact, PL are pioneering fast tests which, when perfected, NHS will be able to use. One could argue: if all goes well, NHS will have better resources when the next deadly virus comes around.
Please tell me that didn't happen.
Had no idea the Premier League developed and manufactured testing kits for viruses.
Even if they were to do this, doesnt it just solve one problem?
How is it then decided who comes up? Leeds and WBA could both be caught as we know anything can happen in that league.
And say they decide to promote Leeds and WBA how do they decide the third spot given the Playoff System and the fact that there are only 6 Points between 6th place and 13th?. It is just another minefield.
As far as ending the season goes, yes each and every club will have its own interests at heart so nothing will be agreed and the season will have to be written off. There is no other solution. It may not be fair to Liverpool etc but they will at least be the only team in history to finish top of the League without getting a trophy. Their gallant effort will not be forgotten.
The main thrust of what I'm trying to say is that I think there are bigger issues than how to finish the season. Without the prospect of a vaccine for at least another year I don't see how next season is going to start with the stadiums open. There are players contracts that run out in a matter of weeks and what is going to happen to those guys? Are they going to get new clubs if there is no prospect of next season starting with open doors? For how long can the TV companies continue to pay the clubs? At this point in time I'm not even sure they are. Like all businesses the TV companies are suffering. I heard on the radio last week that advertising revenues have plummeted and that TV companies are suffering. If they are losing revenue and the Premier League isn't playing then they would crazy to carry on paying the clubs. I suspect they have stopped already. This potentially means the clubs have lost their two main sources of income and won't be able to pay the players without taking on huge debt. I suspect there are clubs out there that don't want to or can't do this.
While a number of posters have rightly condemned the Premier Leagues money grabbing resumption plans it is imperative there is a back up plan if the season cannot restart. They need to be looking at how the clubs can continue to exist without income. They may have to introduce a compulsory furlough type system for players wages. Not all the premier league clubs will be able to afford top wage costs for a prolonged period so pay cuts should be standardised across the board. I hear no talk of this but I'm sure the clubs would welcome such a move.
The UK is in a much worse situation than Germany with this virus and they are still struggling to get crowds back into the stadiums. The game desperately needs TV revenue and if next season needs to start behind closed doors then so be it.
The main thrust of what I'm trying to say is that I think there are bigger issues than how to finish the season. Without the prospect of a vaccine for at least another year I don't see how next season is going to start with the stadiums open. There are players contracts that run out in a matter of weeks and what is going to happen to those guys? Are they going to get new clubs if there is no prospect of next season starting with open doors? For how long can the TV companies continue to pay the clubs? At this point in time I'm not even sure they are. Like all businesses the TV companies are suffering. I heard on the radio last week that advertising revenues have plummeted and that TV companies are suffering. If they are losing revenue and the Premier League isn't playing then they would crazy to carry on paying the clubs. I suspect they have stopped already. This potentially means the clubs have lost their two main sources of income and won't be able to pay the players without taking on huge debt. I suspect there are clubs out there that don't want to or can't do this.
While a number of posters have rightly condemned the Premier Leagues money grabbing resumption plans it is imperative there is a back up plan if the season cannot restart. They need to be looking at how the clubs can continue to exist without income. They may have to introduce a compulsory furlough type system for players wages. Not all the premier league clubs will be able to afford top wage costs for a prolonged period so pay cuts should be standardised across the board. I hear no talk of this but I'm sure the clubs would welcome such a move.
The UK is in a much worse situation than Germany with this virus and they are still struggling to get crowds back into the stadiums. The game desperately needs TV revenue and if next season needs to start behind closed doors then so be it.
I especially hate the ones that have a problem with people moaning and being negative about the people expressing this by moaning and being negative about the people moaning and being negative.
I spent about five day’s arguing this point in here.
Nah they're alright.
Voiding would mean there is no relegation. Voiding means nothing counts.
Why risk playing football if relegation doesn't count?
The point of getting back playing is to complete the season, if I am not wrong a season includes relegation. How can you not have relegation but have a winner and CL places?
There will be no point playing if teams are not going to play competitively. TV companies will air football that will be like training ground exercise.
I think this will have to happen as the clubs at the bottom will stand firm. Increase the parachute payments for the 3 teams who go down. I don't see anything else that will work. Rightly or wrongly there is 140m or more on the line for these clubs. They are clearly going to be unhappy.
Agree.
Voiding is the opposite of playing the season out.
Playing games without relegation is a totally different situation and the most ludicrous idea of them all.
the point is Pogba could pick it up and spread it to his mother or father and kill them.
I am pissed off with lock down, I am pissed off that my life is upside fecking down because of this poxy virus but I am one of the lucky ones. I work for the government, I am paid well and my wage hasnt taken a hit. I am saving a fortune on fuel every week as I am working from home. I am relatively young and fit and I think If I got the virus I would be ok. But it would probably kill my mother and my parents in law. They are old and not as fit as they once were.
As far as football goes, I want the season to finish to maintain the sporting integrity. Liverpool deserve to win the title and its a shame for you and your fellow supporters that were waiting so long for it, but I dont see how it can be finished at this point. Its too dangerous to potentially spread the disease. Thats the issue.
To have any chance of getting some form of competition in next season , this one has to get to a point were we draw a line through it. If that means pool being given the title or table as is etc, I dont really care. I just think people need to get real here. Draw a line through it and look to figure out how to get next season going in August/September. Its about safety of the masses - not Pogba or Liverpool winning the league.
Well, it’s done and dusted now. The government’s handling of this pandemic has ensured sport won’t be returning anytime soon. Today’s photos of packed trains and only a tiny minority of those travelling on them wearing face masks have put a lid on it. And I’m not even sure if this is Boris Johnson’s final form. I mean, if he had his way we’d all be pouring into Wembley to watch an England friendly this evening.
You're seriously paranoid about United mate. No one could care less.
One thing ive learnt through this pandemic and via social media, is that there are a lot of liverpool fans who are medical experts, who are not being utilised by governments on restarting everything with minimal issues.
He said they shouldn't really use public transport and if they could not work from home not to go to work.
The only sensible and fair thing would be to void all results and start from scratch next season. Naturally, that is how I would think as an objective politician, not as a fan of X, Y or Z. All clubs have legitimite hopes and fears, but Aston Villa and Liverpool are just as important, or incredibly not important in the grand scheme of things. The same goes for clubs without anything to play for relative to Leeds and the other ones positioned for promotion. It’s tough luck, it’s force majeure. For the ones in the basement, virtually down since January, enjoy the olive branch.
If the season is finished months after it stopped, with players returning from injury, players leaving on expired contracts, on neutral venues, short periods of time between games benefiting only the big clubs with bigger squads - conditions are not the same as when it shut down. Some teams have more home games remaining, the final results would not be fair if neutral venues are introduced. No VAR, five subs? Again, added to the long list of arguments against this sham.
I really don’t care about Liverpool here, because when the new season starts they will be major favorites to get their trophy regardless. No other club is matching them currently in terms of ability and cohesion, but to expect understanding from that lot would be a tough ask.
If the season is finished months after it stopped, with players returning from injury, players leaving on expired contracts, on neutral venues, short periods of time between games benefiting only the big clubs with bigger squads - conditions are not the same as when it shut down. Some teams have more home games remaining, the final results would not be fair if neutral venues are introduced. No VAR, five subs? Again, added to the long list of arguments against this sham.
I really don’t care about Liverpool here, because when the new season starts they will be major favorites to get their trophy regardless. No other club is matching them currently in terms of ability and cohesion, but to expect understanding from that lot would be a tough ask.
It really is astounding that we have almost 300 pages of the same circular argument day in day outthis might be the longest ever thread of pure arguments between United and Liverpool fans
it hasn't gone anywhere in nearly 300 pages
I mean I’m just as bad because I pop in everyday and read it, but, you know.
This whole neutral venues thing is even more unfair than being allowed to play at home without a crowd.