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You mean it would be OK if it was a Smoked Irishman or an Asian Banana who said it..

C'mon.....Racism is Racism is Racism
The term gammon was coined by a white journalist and is about the flushed face of a person who's in the middle of ranting. So.......no?

But if racism is more than just the use of words but also the history behind them and the deaths, imprisonments and harassment that also follow with those words then....also no.
 

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The term gammon was coined by a white journalist and is about the flushed face of a person who's in the middle of ranting. So.......no?

But if racism is more than just the use of words but also the history behind them and the deaths, imprisonments and harassment that also follow with those words then....also no.

The awful N-Word is frequently used in the States by Afro-Americans against other Afro-Americans when wanting to insult someone.

Do Black people get a visibly flushed face when they're ranting ??

Would you, personally, ever dream of describing Black people as ' Gammon ' ??

Is it OK then if ' Gammony ' people use the N-Word about Black people because Afro-Americans use it ??

Give it up - don't try to defend the use of anything, and I mean anything, racist.
 

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The awful N-Word is frequently used in the States by Afro-Americans against other Afro-Americans when wanting to insult someone.

Do Black people get a visibly flushed face when they're ranting ??

Would you, personally, ever dream of describing Black people as ' Gammon ' ??

Is it OK then if ' Gammony ' people use the N-Word about Black people because Afro-Americans use it ??

Give it up - don't try to defend the use of anything, and I mean anything, racist.
What have black people and the N-word got to do with this. It's a british term used between white british, it's pejorative but it has nothing to do with racism, black people or the N-word.
 

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The awful N-Word is frequently used in the States by Afro-Americans against other Afro-Americans when wanting to insult someone.
Whataboutism. It's origin is as a pejorative slur against African Americans during a period of time when said African Americans were bought and sold to work as slaves.
Do Black people get a visibly flushed face when they're ranting ??
Depends on the black person just like it does white people. So yes. What a daft question.

Would you, personally, ever dream of describing Black people as ' Gammon ' ??

Is it OK then if ' Gammony ' people use the N-Word about Black people because Afro-Americans use it ??
This is the non sequitur to rule all non sequiturs. Once again "gammon" is a reference to angry white old men turning flush complaining about stuff like just personally don't like, usually on mass media with their words heard by millions. The n word was a racial slur used to dehumanise African Americans during the time of slave trading and has existed since then through decades of discrimination, physical attacks and even murders in silence. Do try and keep up.

But, for shits and giggles let's pretend that the two terms are even related. No. A white person calling another white person by a white racial slur is not the same as a white person calling a black person a black racial slur. That's when something called "racist language" then occurs. I can draw a picture for you if it's difficult to understand.

How the feck do you even think that makes any sense, unless you're either trolling or that far up your arse you are ranting at your screen whilst your face goes all gammony.

Give it up - don't try to defend the use of anything, and I mean anything, racist.
If this was meant to be your version of a mic drop you should have maybe spent more time making sure that the previous sentences before it weren't a massive load of shite.
 

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The awful N-Word is frequently used in the States by Afro-Americans against other Afro-Americans when wanting to insult someone.

Do Black people get a visibly flushed face when they're ranting ??

Would you, personally, ever dream of describing Black people as ' Gammon ' ??

Is it OK then if ' Gammony ' people use the N-Word about Black people because Afro-Americans use it ??

Give it up - don't try to defend the use of anything, and I mean anything, racist.
Shut up you gammon
 

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The awful N-Word is frequently used in the States by Afro-Americans against other Afro-Americans when wanting to insult someone.

Do Black people get a visibly flushed face when they're ranting ??

Would you, personally, ever dream of describing Black people as ' Gammon ' ??

Is it OK then if ' Gammony ' people use the N-Word about Black people because Afro-Americans use it ??

Give it up - don't try to defend the use of anything, and I mean anything, racist.
:lol:

So desperate to be offended ey, snowflake?
 

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The awful N-Word is frequently used in the States by Afro-Americans against other Afro-Americans when wanting to insult someone.

Do Black people get a visibly flushed face when they're ranting ??

Would you, personally, ever dream of describing Black people as ' Gammon ' ??

Is it OK then if ' Gammony ' people use the N-Word about Black people because Afro-Americans use it ??

Give it up - don't try to defend the use of anything, and I mean anything, racist.
That is the worst thing I have ever read.
 

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So desperate to be offended ey, snowflake?
Are you seriously using that pejorative slur to associate the whiteness of snow with a white persons skin tone? Do black people get visibly cold when they touch snow?
 

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Black people can be gammons too.

First the Karens compared Karen to the N-word, are the gammons gonna do the same?
 

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Are you seriously using that pejorative slur to associate the whiteness of snow with a white persons skin tone? Do black people get visibly cold when they touch snow?
What about yellow snow?

This thread's got a bit weird.
 

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The awful N-Word is frequently used in the States by Afro-Americans against other Afro-Americans when wanting to insult someone.

Do Black people get a visibly flushed face when they're ranting ??

Would you, personally, ever dream of describing Black people as ' Gammon ' ??

Is it OK then if ' Gammony ' people use the N-Word about Black people because Afro-Americans use it ??

Give it up - don't try to defend the use of anything, and I mean anything, racist.
This is the most gammon thing I have ever read.
 

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The term gammon was coined by a white journalist and is about the flushed face of a person who's in the middle of ranting. So.......no?

But if racism is more than just the use of words but also the history behind them and the deaths, imprisonments and harassment that also follow with those words then....also no.
Charles dickens ... Nicholas nickleby in 1838

The time had been, when this burst of enthusiasm would have been cheered to the very echo; but now, the deputation received it with chilling coldness. The general impression seemed to be, that as an explanation of Mr. Gregsbury’s political conduct, it did not enter quite enough into detail; and one gentleman in the rear did not scruple to remark aloud, that, for his purpose, it savoured rather too much of a 'gammon' tendency.



The meaning of that term—gammon,' said Mr. Gregsbury, 'is unknown to me. If it means that I grow a little too fervid, or perhaps even hyperbolical, in extolling my native land, I admit the full justice of the remark. I am proud of this free and happy country. My form dilates, my eye glistens, my breast heaves, my heart swells, my bosom burns, when I call to mind her greatness and her glory
 

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The awful N-Word is frequently used in the States by Afro-Americans against other Afro-Americans when wanting to insult someone.

Do Black people get a visibly flushed face when they're ranting ??

Would you, personally, ever dream of describing Black people as ' Gammon ' ??

Is it OK then if ' Gammony ' people use the N-Word about Black people because Afro-Americans use it ??

Give it up - don't try to defend the use of anything, and I mean anything, racist.
Jesus.
 

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The awful N-Word is frequently used in the States by Afro-Americans against other Afro-Americans when wanting to insult someone.
Black people have appropriated the term to remove its power. I guess they can use it to insult each other but generally it isn't used that way. It means something totally different than when a white person uses it as a racist insult/term.

Do Black people get a visibly flushed face when they're ranting ??

Would you, personally, ever dream of describing Black people as ' Gammon ' ??
I've never seen a black person ranting about Brexit but that aside just because people described as gammons tend to be white, middle aged men doesn't make the term racist any more than it is ageist or sexist. It is an insult for sure.

Is it OK then if ' Gammony ' people use the N-Word about Black people because Afro-Americans use it ??
You know the answer to this.

Give it up - don't try to defend the use of anything, and I mean anything, racist.
Gammon is insulting an attitude and opinion and not a race. Uncle Tom is an insult that only applies to black people but it isn't a racist term. It is a description of an attitude/opinion.
 
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Just out of interest I looked through the rest of his post history. A summary is:

a) stuck up for Dominic Cummings repeatedly
b) posts calling people remoaners
c) posts complaining about getting warned for making a sexist comment.
d) posts suggesting that the corona virus escaped from a Chinese lab - backed by dodgy YouTube videos.

No wonder he hates the term gammon. He couldn’t be more gammon if someone covered him in salt and cracked an egg on him.
 

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I genuinely wonder beyond a few tabloid headlines how big an issue this is?

What % of British people refuse to eat chicken if they go to the USA

And given that chlorine wash is accepted and used widely with vegetables in the EU how many people specifically find sources that avoid it?

For sure it will create some bad headlines and I think attention to farming animal welfare in any trade deal will probably suffer as a result of to many headlines being focused on chlorinated chicken.

Chlorinated chicken[edit]
In the United States it is common practice for chicken carcasses to be washed with antimicrobial rinses in order to remove harmful bacteria.

These rinses, containing chlorine dioxide solution, acidified sodium chlorite, trisodium phosphate or peroxyacids, are often referred to as Pathogen Reduction Treatments. The process is said to reduce the prevalence of salmonella from 14% to 2%. Since 1997, the European Union has refused to permit the import of chicken treated in this way, claiming that it compensates for poor hygiene behaviour elsewhere in the supply chain and disincentivises the poultry industry to put in place proper hygiene practices. American negotiators say this is just protectionism.[48] It is claimed by opponents of Brexit that this shows how British food safety standards would drop. UK International Trade Secretary Liam Fox was said to have suggested that this might be part of a bilateral free trade agreement and was subsequently challenged to eat a chlorine-washed chicken live on camera.[49] Steve Baker, formerly a Minister at the Department for Exiting the European Union, insisted in October 2018 that chlorine-washed chicken was just "clean chicken".[50]
 
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I genuinely wonder beyond a few tabloid headlines how big an issue this is?

What % of British people refuse to eat chicken if they go to the USA

And given that chlorine wash is accepted and used widely with vegetables in the EU how many people specifically find sources that avoid it?

For sure it will create some bad headlines and I think attention to farming animal welfare in any trade deal will probably suffer as a result of to many headlines being focused on chlorinated chicken.
It’s banned in the EU as it’s seen as a substitute for poor welfare standards for chickens. The EU have pushed for welfare standards to be higher instead. It’s not the chorline bit they have concerns about but that it basically is a cop out for poor farming standards.
 

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It’s banned in the EU as it’s seen as a substitute for poor welfare standards for chickens. The EU have pushed for welfare standards to be higher instead. It’s not the chorline bit they have concerns about but that it basically is a cop out for poor farming standards.
( I know - I literally quoted that in my post) and as I say - how many people really care about that - I'm not aware of swathes of UK tourists refusing to eat chicken in America because of lower farming standards.
 

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( I know - I literally quoted that in my post) and as I say - how many people really care about that - I'm not aware of swathes of UK tourists refusing to eat chicken in America because of lower farming standards.
A lot of the farmers in this country are concerned. They have adhered to strict rules on animal welfare and with this, it is a bit of a slap in the face. They will be affected by imports such as this.
 

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A lot of the farmers in this country are concerned. They have adhered to strict rules on animal welfare and with this, it is a bit of a slap in the face. They will be affected by imports such as this.
indeed - though for an industry that uses 69% of the land, employs 1.5% of people and contributes 0.6% to our gross added value again i wonder how big an issue it really is in trade talks beyond a few bad headlines about chlorinated chickens
 

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indeed - though for an industry that uses 69% of the land, employs 1.5% of people and contributes 0.6% to our gross added value again i wonder how big an issue it really is in trade talks beyond a few bad headlines about chlorinated chickens
I still think so many points are being missed about the future relationship, not only with the EU but the rest of the world.

If the UK decide they want to eat chlorinated chicken that's up to them - but they won't be able to export any products using products that don't meet EU standards to the EU (and possibly elsewhere) because any agreements they have with the EU or other countres will be based on standards known to the EU and other countries outside the EU.

What will UK standards be after 31st December? Does anybody know, has anyone in the UK government even thought about it. Also bearing in mind that all agreements in place or being negotiated will have to be based on standards amongst other things, what will these standards be next year?

If Roger Daltrey wants to tour Europe and take a truckload of equipment on the tour. Will the transport agreement be in place there be a commercial licence available so his drivers will be able to drive, will he have the insurance. Temporary import exemptions, temporary import duty, tax exemption etc. Imagine the bureaucracy involved.

Have this weird feeling that people think things will carry on as before, with agreements in place many things probably will, without them, next year could be quite special, 'I didn''t realise that' will become a very common phrase, I'd wager.
 

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Less than a month until we pass the deadline to request an extension to the transition phase.

We are leaving with a no deal brexit. A disaster for our economy which will already be fecked due to Corona.
 

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Less than a month until we pass the deadline to request an extension to the transition phase.

We are leaving with a no deal brexit. A disaster for our economy which will already be fecked due to Corona.
exactly... the recession will be because of corona... but the eventual recovery will all be because of "getting brexit done"
that will be the narrative
 

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Less than a month until we pass the deadline to request an extension to the transition phase.

We are leaving with a no deal brexit. A disaster for our economy which will already be fecked due to Corona.
I'm surprised we even bother turning up to negotiations.

It was hilarious to see BoJo tell Italian workers who left because of the outbreak "tutti benvenuti"
 

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Less than a month until we pass the deadline to request an extension to the transition phase.

We are leaving with a no deal brexit. A disaster for our economy which will already be fecked due to Corona.
I'm convinced that the lasting impact of Brexit will be that the UK will welcome EU people into the country to work and live because we need them but will have effectively stopped our own population from doing the same around Europe. Struggling to see any positives.
 

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I'm convinced that the lasting impact of Brexit will be that the UK will welcome EU people into the country to work and live because we need them but will have effectively stopped our own population from doing the same around Europe. Struggling to see any positives.
There are 3 potential positives:

We may get some goods slightly cheaper than before.
We might sign freedom of movement arrangements with other countries.
The tories will need to find a new scapegoat.

After 5 years though, that is all I have been able to find. All have potential downsides as well. The list of potential and known negatives is extensive.

I'd love to hear from any who voted brexit if they still think it will be worth it.