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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Smores

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Well yeah, but what can you do? Until we put that 51% to bed a people's vote will be contentious. If it's not in the vote then read what @sun_tzu is saying and multiply it...

But I won't argue with you....
Bill Cash and his merry band of ERG lawyers have been banging on about this and that being legal or unlawful for nearly a year, on every matter they were wrong and took it no further than soundbites.

We need someone to show leadership and explain why no deal is not going to be a choice. The referendum should be whatever comes out of parliament vs remain, people voted for this parlaiment here's the best it could come up with so do you want it
 

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i agree - I just feel that whilst some people seem to think a referendum might bring a quick resolution i personally think its going to be something that if they intend to do they will need to start with ASAP to get it done within the potential 9 month / Year extension that seems to be the likely extension proposal from the EU
Yea agreed. I'm not as optimistic as I may sound but... One can hope.

Bill Cash and his merry band of ERG lawyers have been banging on about this and that being legal or unlawful for nearly a year, on every matter they were wrong and took it no further than soundbites.

We need someone to show leadership and explain why no deal is not going to be a choice. The referendum should be whatever comes out of parliament vs remain, people voted for this parlaiment here's the best it could come up with so do you want it
Let's see how it goes. Would be nice though ;)
 

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I agree until the last bit. Under your scenario 33 per cent could vote leave with no deal, 33 leave with the deal, and 34 remain, to claim remain to be the outcome ''most people would accept' is patently false. Single transferable vote would give the majority their first or second preference, which is the best you're going to get.
The fact you're using an example of 33-33-34 (which totals 100%) tells me that you possibly didn't understand exactly what I proposed.

It's not a single choice vote, it's an indicative vote. You vote yes or no to each of three. Possibly all 3 if you're cool with that, or only one option if that's your only acceptable preference. So the total (blanks excluded) would be above 100%

STV is also workable though. Probably fairer too.
 

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The fact you're using an example of 33-33-34 (which totals 100%) tells me that you possibly didn't understand exactly what I proposed.

It's not a single choice vote, it's an indicative vote. You vote yes or no to each of three. Possibly all 3 if you're cool with that, or only one option if that's your only acceptable preference. So the total (blanks excluded) would be above 100%

STV is also workable though. Probably fairer too.
Yes, fairer. You're probably right about me not understanding indicative votes as it seems to mean different things to different people,ⁿ
 

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Ok so since yesterday when I posted, responses to me have inferred as a ‘Brexiteer’ or outright as a:

Gammon
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You can respond to people without the unnecessary quip. At no point have I called someone a remainer, a fecking loony lefties, or go drink your café frothy macchiato you vegan cnut. It’s just stereotyping a big proportion of our society on a question of remain or leave the EU. That I think is one of the saddest parts of this whole vote.



How has every argument been discredited, I haven’t even had chance to debate anything yet except the Irish border with one poster. And I honestly don’t have an answer to that. Did I vote contemplating what would with the Irish border? No, that is a minor detail on why I voted leave. I highly doubt it was major factor for you voting to remain either. It’s just another barrier being put up by the EU to delay the UK leaving.

You have a political opinion on the outcome of Brexit. This is my biggest point to you, and many on here, WHAT YOU STATE IS NOT FACT. Nothing has happened yet, there is a negotiation going on to leave yet you are acting like it’s a total disaster. There is no evidence leaving the EU will be a disaster for this country unless we leave and see what happens.

Why is the EU trying so hard to keep us in the EU if we are a nothing country that can’t cope on our own? Surely if they truly believed that they would happily take 40 billion from us, then within 5 years we will be asking to rejoin the EU. Surely a win / win for them? They know we contribute far more than we get out and they need our money. What’s going to happen when the inevitable bail out is required for yet another country? There is absolutely no way Greece can repay their debt in the future. The UK will need to contribute more money to support this.

Why should the UK be part of a union that is funding projects throughout Europe when our own infrastructure is in desperate need of improvement. I’m sure you will say the EU gives us money for projects but why does the EU have a say where money is spent in this country. More bureaucracy, more political barriers, just more waste of money. Where there is politics, there is more corruption, and I don’t believe having an extra level of politicians on a board we can’t vote for, on ridiculous salaries, benefits and pensions should be creating policies that can affect the UK. And the people of this country have no say in it. If we are unhappy with government we can change our vote in the next general election, we can’t do that with the EU.
Listen if you are okay with warfare on the island of Ireland again and possible bombings in the UK again then thats on you. Most decent people arent like you.
 

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Oui, chère madame.
I did propose to @JPRouve that we could start a new act called Les Frères Rigolos but he said he was too busy with his latest film.

Look at that style, a man of taste.:lol:
 

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No deal should not be on any referendum. Government and parlaiment have deemed it unfit and the public can not be allowed to vote against something that breaks the GFA.

Including it would be even worse than calling the referemdum in the first place.
I completely agree.

If Brexit has taught us anything, its that you shouldn't offer the public an option you dont want them to take.
 

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If Brexit has taught us anything, its that you shouldn't offer the public an option you dont want them to take.[/QUOTE]


Indeed that's what makes the prospect of a People's Vote something of a 'No, No,' for the Government.

The first referendum was a binary choice; Leave or Remain. Leave won, Remain lost, so it falls off the second ballot (or People's vote), which should also be a binary choice, probably May's Deal v No Deal, but since the first of these has not been ratified and the second has been voted against, in Parliament, then neither of these choices can be put to the vote either.

Our politicians have tied themselves in the modern day political equivalent of the 'Gordian knot' and the lawyers are rubbing their hands in glee and business leaders are crying in their beer. The phrase "we are all going to hell in a hand cart" was never more apt.

There can be no deals (of any description), no second, third or fourth Peoples vote, referendum etc. only the revocation of A50, but no one has the 'b**lls' or the equivalent of a political death wish to do it...at least not yet![
 

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If you told brexiteers the EU would be the ones kicking us out, they would have told you to feck off.
 

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If you told brexiteers the EU would be the ones kicking us out, they would have told you to feck off.
They're still telling us to feck aff.

I posted something on Facebook about WTO rules a few days ago and the first reply was, "You lost, now dry your eyes".
Huh? I never realised I was playing.
 

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Listen if you are okay with warfare on the island of Ireland again and possible bombings in the UK again then thats on you. Most decent people arent like you.
He is right though, in that most people (on both sides) didnt really consider the Irish situation when casting their vote. Most people who say otherwise are probably just lying.

In terms of its impact now and whether you should care about it or not, of course you should. But conversely, its not something that directly affects most of the voting population (in their eyes) so its not really at the top of their priority list when it comes to Brexit. It is however, a strong and convenient argument that remainers can use - but honestly if the sides were reversed, im not sure there would be that much difference.

To put it another way, if it transpired that the only way to maintain the GFA was to leave the EU, how many remain voters can put their hands on their hearts and say that that would change their vote? I dont think I can.
 

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Germany wants the extension so it would be a big surprise if it didn’t happen. Macron is just posturing.
 

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I don't think any of the strings attached will be a problem for remainers. The EU want no Brexit, a customs union deal or May's deal in that order.
I would say it is Revoke Art. 50, EEA membership (or something similar), the customs union is not good enough to solve the GFA/Backstop/"Ireland" Problem. And getting through with the Withdrawal Agreement without further interruptions for the working structures and policy objectives of the EU.

Cause the whole future relations between the UK und the EU can and should be discussed in during the transition period.
 

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BBC reporting that 17/27 want a long extension. The other 10 do not. Macron advocating for a 30 June deadline.
 

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Reuters reporting EU has agreed on delay until October 31st

With a review in June in case we're naughty
 

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Reuters reporting EU has agreed on delay until October 31st

With a review in June in case we're naughty
And have to take part in EU elections or leave with no deal in June 1st.

Strange how 27 countries can agree on something in one evening while one country can't agree on anything in nearly three years.

More farce in the HoC to come.
 

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May will definitely now quickly bring her deal back for another vote, with the guarantee of the October extension (and EU elections) if the ERG/Brexiteers vote it down.
 

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So this UK farcipitation in the EU elections would be fun. Really did not think we would reach that point.

The bottom line is EU is indeed ready to delay forever, despite all the talk.
 

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How has every argument been discredited, I haven’t even had chance to debate anything yet except the Irish border with one poster. And I honestly don’t have an answer to that. Did I vote contemplating what would with the Irish border? No, that is a minor detail on why I voted leave. I highly doubt it was major factor for you voting to remain either. It’s just another barrier being put up by the EU to delay the UK leaving.
How the feck has the EU put the Irish border problem up as a barrier to the UK leaving?

Are you suggesting they just invented the Good Friday Agreement and everyone is just playing along as if its a real thing?

No it is actually a very real international peace agreement lodged with the UN 21 years ago that the British government signed up to uphold which makes it very difficult for the UK to leave the EU without breaking it.

Hasn't all the talk of Irish border/Customs Union/Single Market/Backstops etc. these last few years made the penny drop for you that Northern Ireland and the GFA was and is a very real obstacle to Brexit that was barely even considered?

Honestly mate while some of the insults are a bit childish you can't expect to be taken seriously posting shit like this.