Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Sun won't be interested in that.
My principle point is how that falls under Anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
Why is it not just stupidity?
I assume it’s probably a Political Marker. That they were waiting for an example case.
It just seems really silly. If you tell me that Israeli Police are evil, that’s not a comment with foundations in race. Or, way closer to the mark “Israeli Police protect their pensions at all costs” that’s still not racist but at least it could be interpreted as such.
I don’t much care. But the last couple of years since returning to England I’ve put a magnifying glass on Politics and some shit just doesn’t seem right headed. I’d like to understand.
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This is exactly what this was. Starmer just picked anti-semitism as the best issue to oust her on. It's really a signal that Labour are returning entirely to New Labour.
They don't need the unions, there's a ton of folks on here who'll fill their gap when it comes to canvassing and campaigning for the party
Haven't read the article RBL posted, but Amnesty did a piece on US police being trained in Israel.
So basically ,don't say anything about Jews because it is antisemitic.And support a right wing party in Israel.
Thankfully for Sir Keir, conflating the actions of Israel with Jews stopped being antisemitic just long enough for him to do it with this story.
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That's the one.
An article about police which had one line about training in Israel, linking to an Amnesty report, is more anti-semitic than putting up the state of a Nazi supporter.
Reminds me of Tablet, a publication and writer that has given Ilhan Omar and Jeremy Corbyn the dreaded label, charactersing the pogroms of Stepan Bandera as not "fundamentally anti-semitic".
A big Corbyn weakness was just being weak - unwillingness to purge.
Reminds me of Tablet, a publication and writer that has given Ilhan Omar and Jeremy Corbyn the dreaded label, charactersing the pogroms of Stepan Bandera as not "fundamentally anti-semitic".
A big Corbyn weakness was just being weak - unwillingness to purge.
Nobody has said anything about Jews here.
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She clearly didn't do anything wrong here but she's shit anyway and this is great optics which is why it's been done.
It would probably be reasonable to draw concern about culling the left but I'll wait for his policies first before i condemn him.
It would probably be reasonable to draw concern about culling the left but I'll wait for his policies first before i condemn him.
Terrible decision but hardly a shock. Clearly an ideological decision, not one of principle. Starmer won’t say if Jenrick should go but he swiftly axes Bailey for retweeting that article. I thought it was Corbyn’s problem that he was a Trotskyist intent on purging all his impure enemies?
I can't see what other decision he should have made? He can't stand there and condemn anti-semitism and let something like this slide, completely undermines what he's trying to achieve.
At least he's showing some form of leadership on the issue, something Corbyn never managed to do.
At least he's showing some form of leadership on the issue, something Corbyn never managed to do.
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I mean she was crap anyway so it's certainly no great loss.
This is my reading of it. Let's be honest, Labour is never going to be re-elected in this country unless it moves sharply to the right.
Rachel Reeves has been on the BBC representing his party on the subject of education for weeks.
Maybe she'd have been given the same treatment if she'd retweeted someone praising Nancy Astor rather than doing it herself.
It's a pathetic decision which underlines what we already knew - many in the Labour establishment don't give a shit about antisemitism beyond how they can exploit it for political capital.
greens about to see a nice membership bump
So you actually think that's anti-semitic?
Probably Justine Greening.
The tories and media didn't give a shit about antisemitism either, until it became a useful stick to beat Labour with. This is a countrywide problem, not just one party's issue.
I think if you read the article it's certainly implying a theory that there is a connection between a death from the police, and Israel influencing that death. This decision, hasn't been made on just this article alone clearly. This was simply enough to give cause and to clear out.
As some said, she's no real loss as a front bench politician.
these feckers were railing on milliband for being a jewish revolutionary
She isn't a loss but I'm still failing to see why you'd think it was anti-semitic rather than anti-israel. I don't even think it's anti-israel to be fair as the main point it's calling out is they're using secret service techniques from a country with a poor human rights record. If they'd been trained by Russians i don't think anyone would question the reference as hostile.
I'm not familiar with the author of that article so perhaps there's something there but not that article itself.
Is the independent anti-semitic now?
No, apparently he's supposed to do exactly like Corbyn and virtue signal at all times regardless of whether it leads to the worst electoral kicking in party history or not.
Just need to include more sarcastic comments about being 'woke' and you'll be all set.
To be honest I'm more interested in why the supposed party of the UK's working class seems to spend more time talking about a foreign country in the middle east than it does about the needs of its own core supporters. Israel does plenty of things wrong, but so do dozens of other countries around the world. So why is it this constant Israel focus from a party that claims not to harbour anti-semitics?
It's also not antisemitic to draw cartoons of him with a hooked nose because.. reasons.
And lets not forget their obsession with him eating a bacon sandwich.
It's funny, I'm a hardcore socialist from a northern ex-mining village who was a big fan of Corbyn's original policies, and you lot even manage to make me come across like a Tory.
It's not even accurate, it's a conspiracy theory at best. To try to connect the actions that resulted of the death of George Floyd is due to Israeli police training techniques is sly anti-semitism, the death had no relevance to Israel - so why mention it? RLB has had issues when pressed in the past on anti-semitism and her position with Corbyn at Jewish hustings in February. The article isn't the main reason and shouldn't be looked in isolation, i think it's a contribution of a number of issues, and this was the last straw.
yeah, it's definitely this, not the lack of scandal when someone criticises SA's humans rights abuses, chinas, russias etc.
I'm pretty much close to switching.
this was the first excuse not the last straw, the labour party is clearly and willingly purging all aspects of the left in the trot hunt pt.2 and it's going to backfire as it will allow the greens and the lib dems to peel off enough voters that they can't form a majority