Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Quite a telling reaction. This guy has been one of Starmer’s biggest cheerleaders. It’s a feck up. It’s such a minor issue to sack someone over that it completely exposes the ulterior motive. In doing so Starmer is inflaming ideological tension and inciting a split with the left. Wherever you stand, that is not conducive to getting Labour into power.
It's not a conspiracy, read the Amnesty article.
It's weird what happens when you liken things like principles to virtue signalling, isn't it?
It's probably related to the fact that today the Labour party decided to focus more on a false accusation of anti-semtism than their opposition who are facing corruption charges.
I can't really see it backfiring, the labour vote at the last election was it's lowest ever based on Corbyn's policies.
It's too early to say really. Does Starmer think it's something he had to do and he's told her he'll bring her back in the shadow cabinet in a year or two's time, or has he seized upon an opportune excuse to purge a leftie, with more such actions to come? I don't know, hopefully the latter, but we'll see.
I'm bored shitless by the actual issue, which is no doubt wrong and disgraceful and everything, but I'm just being honest, I am.
I'm bored shitless by the actual issue, which is no doubt wrong and disgraceful and everything, but I'm just being honest, I am.
The article says that US police do training in Israel, i'm missing the bit where it links George Floyd's death to Israel though? Help me out here...
we're not going to have another 2019 election, labour and conservative voters fecking hate "their party" atm, both parties will get fewer votes, the important thing will be which loses the fewest.
I wonder if he didn't really want RLB in the Shadow Cabinet in the first place.
Whilst you're there, could you pick 6 numbers between 1-59 please?
They didn't link the action they linked the technique and if there's been training from any countries secret service on said technique then it's relevant.
If your objection is that it's anti-semetic to mention israel that's poor but it's probably fairly accurate of the state of things to be fair.
I imagine that’s the root of it, but he had to be seen to be mending the rift.
Please don't hold your breath. You're expecting a lot of forward thinking from a guy who hates the idea of being called Sir so much that he accepted the title.
Saw this recently. Not read the report so can’t verify but Wagner Is generally decent. (Thread)
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in any case, being critical of the Israeli secret service isn't anti semetic in the slightest.
That isn’t the issue though. It’s linking the death of George Floyd, who was murdered by US Police, to Israel. I’m surprised Keir sacked RLB but in reality he had little other choice.
Also have to question RLB’s intelligence. After reading that article she should have stayed well away from it. The fact she didn’t is telling.
So no further word on the treatment of black & brown Labour MPs from within the Party, that was leaked months ago?
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sure, it's an inaccuracy, but it's still a massive overreaction to sack someone for simply retweeting an article in a national newspaper which has one dubious line in it (at best).
Didn't she applaud Maxine Peake too?
No he isn't. He went out to bat for Daniel Finkelstein when his involvement in the out and out racist Gatestone Institute came out, on the basis that he was a ruddy nice bloke, actually.
a retweeted article about police which has one, sourced, line about training means they are "spending more time talking about a foreign country in the middle east than it does about the needs of its own core supporters"
So you can't criticise Israel in any way shape or form without being antisemitic? They can do what ever they want without any other country being able to hold them accountable for their actions?
I'm hoping he'll enrage you even further Dobs, right up to axe-murdering rampage I'm leaving the party level. I doubt he will but I live in hope.
that's the idea
My subs ended months ago. If I wanted to give money to someone who hates my guts but loves my monthly contribution I'd get a Fetlife account.
Does that mean you disagree with what he writes here?
I’m old enough to remember when Corbyn’s pronunciation of Epstein and recommendation that Johnson read some Dickens was apparently anti-Semitic.
Exactly. Israel isn't even the main point of that article. More irritating to Starmer was surely the "if you didn't vote Corbyn you voted Tory" line which he won't come out and say for obvious reasons.
The Specials summed up people like him 36 years ago with track 8 on In The Studio. I have absolutely no interest in anything the racist apologist has to say.
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@Kentonio you were defending the nancy astor stuff as just an expression of the bigotry at the time. firstly, no, she was way out of line with her own time:
secondly, this degrees of anti-semitism game which indicts literally the whole world but is only deployed against the labour left would implicate everyone involved in that statue in a much more direct way than RLB, who retweeted an article with a sourced link about police training.
Are you looking at this in absolutes? I said, they're linking the death of George Floyd to Israel. The relevance of Israel linked to his death is not proven, so why would Maxine Peake bring this into a discussion?
I don't think i've ever said Israel is beyond criticism (feel free to prove me wrong here), but i fail to see the relevance of bringing Israel into a discussion on George Floyds death in another country, it's comparable to saying China are responsible for his death as they were the first nation to have some form of law & order. Maxine Peake clearly felt the need to highlight Israel, and her motives are questionable based on her track record.
There's no direct statement on kneeling on someone's neck but there is on over excessive force in situations where people are already restrained. It's poor writing by the article but you can see where it's been taken from.
since the indy is obviously an anti-semitic newspaper now is sir keir going to boycott it?
He makes some good points but he also concedes that the so-called conspiracy could well be plausible. It is well-known that Israeli forces use the restraining technique used on George Floyd.
It is well-known Israeli forces conduct training sessions with US police - and, contrary to Wagner’s apparent ignorance, it took five seconds to discover via Google that this included a seminar with Minneapolis police in 2012.
Now, I fully agree that Peake’s linking the two is problematic in some regards, and the focus in the context of Floyd should be solely the US government. But equally, it would be disingenuous to simply condemn it as an ‘anti-Semitic conspiracy’. And to compel a shadow minister to resign for retweeting it? Rubbish. No one would sack a minister for something so slight unless he wanted to sack her anyway.
It's the technique she was talking about.
Angela Davis on the connection between police force and the IDF
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Genuine bizarre anyone thinks Peaks words were anti Semitic. But well the world is a weird and awful place.
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Big decision and the correct one . The more i see of Starmer the more convinced i become that he will be PM and i haven't felt that about a labour leader in years
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