Here (Switzerland) the lockdown is as good as over. Even in the shops, the big perspex screens between the staff at the till and the customers have been taken away. I really don't get that - what harm were they doing there?
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I suppose it's more psychological, barriers are usually put up as a means of security and harm the welcoming nature of business. We're not used to having barriers in most places so to see them taken down signifies that things are returning to normal.
With that said, I don't know why any country would take them down before a vaccine is developed. As you said, they're not doing harm and even if the numbers are low, having them in place will mean you're prepared for any new waves.
I live in Oadby (unable to edit my location on profile for some reason!). Take care of yourself. I would avoid the city centre and anything despite shops being able to open from first week of July. I'll be working in an inner city GP practice from August and dreading it. You're absolutely right about it spreading mainly in the inner cities but I think there's a lot of community transmission around wider Leicestershire area too.
The way the cases are building up I think lockdown might be inevitable if they want to avoid a catastrophe at the hospitals.
I work In the city centre and it's awful tbh. I know that 2 Sainsbury stores closed because of cases; in the city centre, one on Humberstone gate. The Highcross isn't great but you go outside and it's quite evident people don't give a feck about social distancing anymore.
Handed my notice in at my current job so i only have a couple more weeks left at my position and I'll no longer have to travel into the city centre again, thank feck.
Global Business travel is dead already. NZ had little of it, and Covid won’t have an impact on it more than anyone else.
Stacks mentions exports as NZ is an exporting economy. The sectors that provide huge GDP inputs are thriving right now.
There will be an understandable dip, but the upswing is there already.
Limitations on travel really means little to NZ. Post OE, they don’t travel as much as you’d expect. Once home it’s the quarter acre dream and regional travel. Mass generalisation but it stands up for the majority. It’s very rare for the average Kiwi to travel to Europe after the age of 40.
Are they just desperate for the income from tourists? Seems like you definitely need to stop people travelling from the south for it to stop. I was hoping to come over, quarantine or not, next month, but I doubt it’ll be one of the countries that will be allowed.
He used to have something. It’s weird. But he had Something that people there liked. From 1997 on his radio show.
Yeah I get that thing about barriers between staff and customers not being a great thing normally, but everyone knows what the story is now so that surely doesn't apply here. Plus, this was in Lidl that I noticed it, and it's not as though people go to Lidl out of brand loyalty or a nice experience, they go because it's decent quality at cheap prices.
I just find it weird is all, and the way Switzerland is now I can't see how there won't be a second wave. If there's not one here, there won't be one anywhere.
0 deaths again today, shame its a weekend figure and not midweek
Yep. People are protesting against social distancing measures again today as well. Fecking idiots. There's no deaths because of the measures, that's their point.
With restrictions lifting up in various countries, airlines flying, and the economy opening up, I think the future is that we'll just be reverting to how things used to be with some measures in place
That is until/if a second or third wave hits and many many many more people die suddenly. But i dont know. This whole things been shambolic.
That is until/if a second or third wave hits and many many many more people die suddenly. But i dont know. This whole things been shambolic.
I was mentioning exports because it seemed to me that some might have been thinking our isolation was affecting the countries income. It has with respect to tourism but not the majority of the countries income.
Yes you are right, the limitations of people travelling is a big problem. I know there are conversations about finding ways to shorten the quarantine time but the truth is thats still going to take a fair bit of time to solve.
The current way of life here is essentially back to precovid times minus the tourism, it all feels very normal. Right now in general people here are happy with the status quo when looking at the rest of the worlds problems and restrictions.
I do have one big worry and thats while we have a pretty normal functioning society the rest of the world is learning how to live with the virus and we are not. However our old and at risk are at present protected and from this position we should be able to maintain that so I for one am comfortable with the downsides. For many of us the peoples welfare comes before an economy having to shrink a bit.
It’s like a different person
Crazy hey. I never got it either. But his part of America doesn’t desert their idols. All those daily/weekly listeners are still with him.
Yes, it's not pleasant, especially when its hot, but i know what it feels like when breathing gets hard and this is nothing like that.Why the shouting? We can still hear you through your masks.
Anyway, I can't think of many medical conditions that would stop you wearing a mask - even if you're having nasal oxygen you can still cover your mouth. If you have no ears you can wear a tie-on one. And yes, it's hot in the sunshine states, but it's hot in lots of places. There are lightweight masks, you're not expected to have a full respirator over your face.
I'm making a collection. I have some proper masks with filters for the doctor's surgery and when I'm in a shop, and then I have a chihuahua print number and a gingham one for just walking outside in the heat. They could wear MAGA masks or Trump 20 masks if they wanted.
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Yes its that simple. The more distance the better.
What's everyone's views on going on holiday with more than 1 other household? From 4 July we can go and stay the night with 1 other household etc.
In mid August we had a big holiday planned (4 households - all family). We've not cancelled it yet - and the owners of the house we have booked said "how do we know you're not more than 2 households?" to encourage us to keep the booking. The owner also said "The rules are only guidelines - not law". So i.e. we wouldn't get in trouble if we got found out.
But the police have been handing out fines? So we're totally unsure what to do. We were quite prepared to cancel it until we spoke to the owner - but now we're tempted to do a 'Cummings'.
We've all been so careful - not broken any rules so far and been so careful staying outside etc - just once have we been 'naughty' moving into the conservatory when it started to rain - but kept the doors open and windows open. Now we're not sure.
There is a slim chance the rules may change by mid-August and more than 2 households will be allowed to meet anyway - but seems slim...
In mid August we had a big holiday planned (4 households - all family). We've not cancelled it yet - and the owners of the house we have booked said "how do we know you're not more than 2 households?" to encourage us to keep the booking. The owner also said "The rules are only guidelines - not law". So i.e. we wouldn't get in trouble if we got found out.
But the police have been handing out fines? So we're totally unsure what to do. We were quite prepared to cancel it until we spoke to the owner - but now we're tempted to do a 'Cummings'.
We've all been so careful - not broken any rules so far and been so careful staying outside etc - just once have we been 'naughty' moving into the conservatory when it started to rain - but kept the doors open and windows open. Now we're not sure.
There is a slim chance the rules may change by mid-August and more than 2 households will be allowed to meet anyway - but seems slim...
I am reading the Belarus goverment response to Co-vid19
" On 16 March, the President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, dismissed the threat of coronavirus and encouraged working in fields and driving tractors as a way of overcoming the pandemic: "You just have to work, especially now, in a village [...] there, the tractor will heal everyone. The fields heal everyone."[131] In his further comments on the pandemic, the Belarusian leader referred to it as "psychosis", and on 28 March he played a game of hockey, later stating in an interview "it is better to die on our feet, than live on your knees [...] sport, especially on ice, is better than any antiviral medication, it is the real thing".[132][133] Prior to that, in an official meeting, Lukashenko proposed "poisoning" the coronavirus with vodka, as well as attending banyas as the best cures for the disease.[134]
" On 16 March, the President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, dismissed the threat of coronavirus and encouraged working in fields and driving tractors as a way of overcoming the pandemic: "You just have to work, especially now, in a village [...] there, the tractor will heal everyone. The fields heal everyone."[131] In his further comments on the pandemic, the Belarusian leader referred to it as "psychosis", and on 28 March he played a game of hockey, later stating in an interview "it is better to die on our feet, than live on your knees [...] sport, especially on ice, is better than any antiviral medication, it is the real thing".[132][133] Prior to that, in an official meeting, Lukashenko proposed "poisoning" the coronavirus with vodka, as well as attending banyas as the best cures for the disease.[134]
President of Belarus sounds totally sane
Tractors are the way out of this.
Tractors are the way out of this.
I'm only surprised that he didn't blame homosexuals...yet.
I reckon he was sterilised and lobotomised.
Those people who mocked me for taking two tractor suppositories every morning aren't laughing now are they, eh?
Massey Ferguson sir
Yep, we jumped on that early...
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...er-says-gays-among-those-blame-covid-n1168981
Can we blame bears also?
Yes, he could provide a base template of total sanity from which the field of psychology could finally detail what perfect mental health looks like
That's probably before Pence got married ... to his wife, Karen.
Been beaten down within an inch of life ever since.
Vicroria struggling to contain an outbreak. 75 new cases yesterday. Some returnees in quarantine, many seemingly linked to 2 related family outbreaks - the rumors are that these are due to Eid celebrations that broke the lock-down laws in place at the time - lets hope not. But also some community transmission. The cold snap probably hasn't helped. Other states are still clear or under constrol.
Well, if it was Eid celebrations, then what?
I know the community would be at risk of a backlash but what would the state do -fine them?
I know the community would be at risk of a backlash but what would the state do -fine them?
Presumably a fine for those who broke the lock-down regulations.
Re-deployed to A&E in Leicester, hospitals not terribly overburdened as in April but they are planning for it
Interesting to hear what the Leicester mayor has had to say about the government wanting to extend lockdown in Leicester for two weeks
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/...1R44o99xY8I94TwpDSrzkylEeBTm336gXYvLvaOx6TPaQ
I spoke to senior clinicians at UHL trust including A&E consultants, covid incident control managers and none of them know anything and none have been asked their input
Interesting to hear what the Leicester mayor has had to say about the government wanting to extend lockdown in Leicester for two weeks
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/...1R44o99xY8I94TwpDSrzkylEeBTm336gXYvLvaOx6TPaQ
Local lockdowns may be the way forward but not if the government don't put in their work. At the moment Leicester has pockets of highly densely populated inner city areas with high incidences of covid but I think the mayor wants to obviously dissociate that area (or maybe put restrictions in certain postcodes) from wider area of Leicester City and surrounding areas in Leicestershire, whereas I think the government may just want to lock all of Leicester down.
I spoke to senior clinicians at UHL trust including A&E consultants, covid incident control managers and none of them know anything and none have been asked their input
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Which option do you think is the most practical and feasible?
Interesting. As much as I don't want it to happen, I think it's inevitable and probably the best course of action to keep us in lockdown.
Hoping you stay safe and that the hospitals don't get overburdened.
At the moment in Leicester, the highest incidence is around Evington, Highfields area. In the east of Leicester, where the outbreak seems to be congregated, up to two-thirds of residents are BAME. The population is served by a handful of general practices which are over-burdened. Healthcare hubs and covid-specific hot hubs are too few, over-filled with appointments with a handful of clinicians or nurse practitioners and people are avoiding Leicester Royal Infirmary because of stigma/fear. They need more resources. A significant amount of that population lives in crowded multi-generational households and have businesses etc on Green Lane that make social distancing impossible.
There is a staggering amount of ignorance regarding covid in that population due to language barrier mainly so comms should be improved by collaborating with radio stations, south asian/Indian TV channels, local community or religious leaders.
Mass testing in hot spots needs to deployed too if the capacity is there, as the WHO said test, test, test. You've got vulnerable people who live with bored, deprived young adults who are in the lower socioeconomic class and intermingle with each other there freely and I think are a huge driver for transmission.
I think what we need to do if we are locking people down is extend financial assistance schemes to those eligible as much as possible as it is an already hard hit deprived area but understand that the wider areas of Leicestershire like Loughborough, Market Harborough are not the problem and implementing lockdown I'm not sure makes much sense but sure travel could be restricted and could look at areas where there could be mass gatherings like certain shopping areas for continued closure.
Test and trace aggressively in hot spots, even consider extending asymptomatic or regular/sequential testing in hot spot neighbourhoods. People won't travel to Birstall to get tested, its miles away and home kits can be a ball-ache to source especially if English isn't your first language and you're not tech savvy. We could consider increasing accessibility to home kits to those vulnerable and unable to travel for a variety of reasons.
There's three mobile testing sites in the city, in Evington, Spinney Hill Park and Victoria Park, we need to free up their capacity and encourage their use more widely.
I don't see any lateral thinking that is population-specific or considers local factors with regards to infection control by the government. If they think they can simply control this thing by local lockdown like it was last couple of months without any oversight, then it won't work. I hear of people though pretty much doing what they want any way and that area doesn't have enough community officers etc to enforce anything so you have to think of other ways.
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This is pretty crazy. Basically enrolling the army as trial subjects in a massive phase 3 study. Seriously unethical. I just hope they at least make sure to collect and share all the data it generates (good and bad)
Thanks, so you think that a more localized and custom made option is doable. I have been wondering about how they intend to do it in France, if/when need be.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53222182
It's too soon to compare/only the UK knows how to count.
It's too soon to compare/only the UK knows how to count.