What's happened to De Gea?

[Keefy18]

Simply yes Ferguson would . As he did with Barthez . DDG is no where near as bad as people like yourself try to make out and I'm glad our manager continues to play him as I'm sure he will next season as well

He didn't really.

He bought Bosnich and Barthez within 12 months of each other I believe and he also only bought Barthez after missing out on VDS who opted for Fulham (Bizarrely for some reason at the time).

He then went and bought 2 more keepers in Howard and Carroll? Hardly scream faith in your number 1 does it?

Did you even bother too look at the data? De Gea is currently facing less shots this season and yet making as many errors? He's made more errors in the last 2 years than any other keeper.

Where is this fantastic keeper you are supporting? If you were talking about 2015/16 De Gea it'd not even be an argument and I'd not be posting anything of the kind.

I'd wager Ole has an eye on keeping Henderson. Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see him here as back up on the bench in the 1st game of next season and soon as De Gea makes a mistake he's gone.

 

[Mr.Ridiculous__]

Why are people advocating selling him ffs. Why isn't benching him and asking him to fight for his place an option?

De Gea is a proper Man Utd legend. This place literally cried and begged for him to stay and he did.

I do understand and see the drop in form. But I believe he deserves the shot to fight back. Bring Henderson back start him and keep De Gea as backup.
Him being the best in the world when we were dog shit, should get him that chance at the very least.

 

[Tel074]

He didn't really.


He bought Bosnich and Barthez within 12 months of each other I believe and he also only bought Barthez after missing out on VDS who opted for Fulham (Bizarrely for some reason at the time).

He then went and bought 2 more keepers in Howard and Carroll? Hardly scream faith in your number 1 does it?

Did you even bother too look at the data? De Gea is currently facing less shots this season and yet making as many errors? He's made more errors in the last 2 years than any other keeper.

Where is this fantastic keeper you are supporting? If you were talking about 2015/16 De Gea it'd not even be an argument and I'd not be posting anything of the kind.

I'd wager Ole has an eye on keeping Henderson. Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see him here as back up on the bench in the 1st game of next season and soon as De Gea makes a mistake he's gone.

Ferguson is on record saying he wishes he had bought VDS before he went to Fulham so I don't know where you are getting the idea he choose Fulham over United . He bought Barthez because Bosnich was injured so much and again you are wrong by saying he only bought Barthez because VDS joined Fulham because he didn't actually join Fulham until the following season that Barthez joined us .
So before you keep preaching to others please do your homework because you my son are chatting a load of pony

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

like Lingard, his confidence is shot. When it has gone this long I don't think there is a way back.

Usually shattered confidence is a few months at most. Not a year and a half.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

Also, is it too much to ask him to save a decking penalty?

Jesus he never does or even comes close.

 

[Kag]

Why are people advocating selling him ffs. Why isn't benching him and asking him to fight for his place an option?

De Gea is a proper Man Utd legend. This place literally cried and begged for him to stay and he did.

I do understand and see the drop in form. But I believe he deserves the shot to fight back. Bring Henderson back start him and keep De Gea as backup.
Him being the best in the world when we were dog shit, should get him that chance at the very least.

Because when managers make the decision to displace their highly-paid, high profile goalkeeper, it is best for all parties that they leave. This has always been the way. If and when Henderson gets the nod then De Gea is on his way.

For what it’s worth, I think we’ll leave Henderson for another year at Sheffield. We’ll have had a two year window to watch him closely. There is also an increasing likelihood that he starts for England next summer at the Euros. If he passes that test then he walks back in as #1.

In the mean time, De Gea better get it back together otherwise we aren’t going to be challenging at the top end.

 

[Dearg hÉireann]

A small bit of realism is needed here, De Gea was once the best keeper in the premier League, he was our player of the year a record 4 times, which tells its own story.

The last 2 seasons he hasn't been himself, letting goals in that previously he'd save in his sleep. I've seen others say about having loyalty to him, but what are Man United? A charity or the self proclaimed biggest club in the world. It's time he faced more questions by way of competition for his place in the side.

 

[Mainoldo]

Why are people advocating selling him ffs. Why isn't benching him and asking him to fight for his place an option?

De Gea is a proper Man Utd legend. This place literally cried and begged for him to stay and he did.

I do understand and see the drop in form. But I believe he deserves the shot to fight back. Bring Henderson back start him and keep De Gea as backup.
Him being the best in the world when we were dog shit, should get him that chance at the very least.

He’s on too much money to be benched. He’s either are number one or we sell him.

 

[MetoTTT]

Hope he wouldn't cost us Champion's League football again this year.

 

[Bwuk]

Sell.

Too many mistakes and too often.

 

[JPRouve]

We got rid of his personal coach didn't we.

Did this slide in form coincide with that?

I strongly believe that only Hoek managed to change De Gea and improve his technique and positioning, he was even decent with the ball during the two years they worked together.

 

[Eyepopper]

I strongly believe that only Hoek managed to change De Gea and improve his technique and positioning, he was even decent with the ball during the two years they worked together.

Yeah, I dont know, but when its an outfield player who's underperforming the first thing a lot of people point to is coaching.... Its a question worth asking at the very least, particularly for a player who had such a high standard previously, you have to ask, well what's changed? Changing coaches would be a pretty big one for me.

 

[Eire Red United]

Yeah, I dont know, but when its an outfield player who's underperforming the first thing a lot of people point to is coaching.... Its a question worth asking at the very least, particularly for a player who had such a high standard previously, you have to ask, well what's changed? Changing coaches would be a pretty big one for me.

Can’t blame the coach for basic errors that an u11 shouldn’t be making. The goal vs Spurs and Bourenmouths first today were absolutely woeful goalkeeping.

 

[Mr Smith]

Why are people advocating selling him ffs. Why isn't benching him and asking him to fight for his place an option?

De Gea is a proper Man Utd legend. This place literally cried and begged for him to stay and he did.

I do understand and see the drop in form. But I believe he deserves the shot to fight back. Bring Henderson back start him and keep De Gea as backup.
Him being the best in the world when we were dog shit, should get him that chance at the very least.

I agree. I think there's a really poor attitude towards him at the moment. I also think he wasn't at fault for today's goal; it was very close range and sometimes those are going to sneak by.

 

[K Stand Knut]

Ok today I’m not seeing what he did wrong apart from maybe the first goal, but I think that was a really good finish more than goalkeeping error. I though his distribution was quite good today he played a role in our build up play while Bournemouth were pressing.

I think the same. Not his fault. It was a perfect finish.

you have got to be on some kind of wind up???

it wasn’t a good finish and even if it was, no GK who wants to be considered as one of the best in the world should be beaten at his near post by that shot.

Unfortunately, it’s another error, and example of a keeper who is not doing his job well enough at the moment. Indefensible and he’ll cost us more than save us in the future with the squad developing like it is

 

[The Oracle]

Sell.

Too many mistakes and too often.

I honestly believe he has got a maximum of 2 more seasons left with us.

Don't get me wrong, I do think he has been a good keeper for us... I just think he is on a downward trajectory now (a slow one mind you - he will have flashes of decent saves, but he is still on the way down).

When you consider he has been here for more seasons than Schmeichel was, and more seasons than Van der Sar was, I just struggle to remember any standout moments from De Gea that I will remember him fondly for when he does move on. Honestly there is nothing.

Yet I don't struggle to remember just how great Schmeichel and Van der Sar were.
The memorable moments come very easily from those greats...

Schmeichel
- his performance away at Newcastle in 1996
- his penalty save against Arsenal in the 1999 FA Cup semi-final replay

Van der Sar
- his penalty shoot-out save against Chelsea in the Champions League Final
- his record of 14 consecutive clean sheets in the Premier League


In my opinion Schmeichel and Van der Sar were true greats, and De Gea shouldn't be spoken about in the same bracket as them - because he is not on their level.

As it currently stands I will remember De Gea for not saving a single penalty in the league for nearly 6 years

...by the time he leaves, I could be remembering him for not saving a penalty in the league for an even longer time.

He's the highest paid goalkeeper in the league, and we're absolute mugs for giving him that contract.

 

[Number32]

Why are people advocating selling him ffs. Why isn't benching him and asking him to fight for his place an option?

De Gea is a proper Man Utd legend. This place literally cried and begged for him to stay and he did.

I do understand and see the drop in form. But I believe he deserves the shot to fight back. Bring Henderson back start him and keep De Gea as backup.
Him being the best in the world when we were dog shit, should get him that chance at the very least.

He still has a high value in the market right now, and he is also the highest paid footballer in this squad. Some people fear Woodward won't give Ole a big budget in transfer market this summer, so selling De Gea might be a solution. But if united benched him, his value would drop, he would got more criticism because the waste the money for his salary, then start calling him a deadwood.

 

[Deery]

Ronaldo broke him..

 

[Rocksy]

I think he’s been in decline for more than 18 months. He’s been switching off in games for a good 3 years or so. He was good when LVG was in because Hoek was there. Rumour was he didn’t get on with Hoek though...

Difficult to replace though, just because Henderson is a decent keeper doesn’t mean he’s good enough for United. Maybe sell both of them, keep Romero and bring Onana in...

 

[ReddevilTinu]

The level of concentration required when a side plays offensive football rather than counter attacks are different. Last few seasons we were playing defensive football with counter attacks mostly under Mourinho. This keeps you alert all the time. When teams are playing offensive football with most of the football being played on the other half and all of a sudden keeper is called upon.

Also he needs to be on toes with good backup. Currently Romero's being played as cup games thus David knowing that he will be played in League games what may be his form

 

[Deery]

I think he’s been in decline for more than 18 months. He’s been switching off in games for a good 3 years or so. He was good when LVG was in because Hoek was there. Rumour was he didn’t get on with Hoek though...

Difficult to replace though, just because Henderson is a decent keeper doesn’t mean he’s good enough for United. Maybe sell both of them, keep Romero and bring Onana in...

You’re quite the ruthless bastard Rocksy

 

[rollingstoned1]

we are stuck with ddg unless he improves the aspects of his game he has never had to address when he was young and could rely on his reflexes like commanding the box and coming off his line. I'm beginning to think it affects our Cbs too when they feel they can't rely on the keeper being aggressive in coming off his line when he can to snuff out opposition moves. This also includes how vulnerable we look while defending set pieces because of his timidity. it won't get better as he gets older.

 

[rollingstoned1]

I wouldnt stand in her way, I rsckon the fax machine will work this time. That contract we gave him appears to be a big mistake now.

this is a rooney redux in short.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I've been critical of De Gea's errors and drop off in peformance levels from the ridiculous standards he set over the last 4-5 years.

However we have to also be balanced in our criticism rather than falling into the trap of merely going along with a narrative.

The goal against Bournemouth was not an error on De Gea's part. Every near post goal isn't a goalkeeping mistake. It's just pure lazyness to think so by default. He covered his near post and came out to close the space, it was just that the strike was a belter and perfectly placed. It happens.

Another point is that while DDG does need to improve if he wants to be first choice at a club like Manchester United and personally I'm tempted to think that we should consider replacing him now, every goalkeeper makes mistakes. Henderson let in goal at OT that we'd be hammering DDG for.

 

[calodo2003]

you have got to be on some kind of wind up???

it wasn’t a good finish and even if it was, no GK who wants to be considered as one of the best in the world should be beaten at his near post by that shot.

Unfortunately, it’s another error, and example of a keeper who is not doing his job well enough at the moment. Indefensible and he’ll cost us more than save us in the future with the squad developing like it is

Come on, the shot was literally from an indoor distance & was hit with pace. It’s not like he let in a strike from distance near post. Hardly the error everyone is making it to be.
Yes, he could have made himself a bit bigger & been closer to the near post, but there is no keeper in the world who was going to reflex save that shot. DDG’s positioning was slightly suspect, but the strike was inch perfect.

 

[ghaliboy]

No consequences for failure.

 

[caid]

I've been critical of De Gea's errors and drop off in peformance levels from the ridiculous standards he set over the last 4-5 years.

However we have to also be balanced in our criticism rather than falling into the trap of merely going along with a narrative.

The goal against Bournemouth was not an error on De Gea's part. Every near post goal isn't a goalkeeping mistake. It's just pure lazyness to think so by default. He covered his near post and came out to close the space, it was just that the strike was a belter and perfectly placed. It happens.

Another point is that while DDG does need to improve if he wants to be first choice at a club like Manchester United and personally I'm tempted to think that we should consider replacing him now, every goalkeeper makes mistakes. Henderson let in goal at OT that we'd be hammering DDG for.

I thought he didn't play?
I haven't watched Henderson enough to have an opinion on him but think its getting hard to ignore how ropy De Gea has been. We definitely need a plan B asap. Hoping he gets over a 2 year drop in form is looking pretty far fetched at this stage.

 

[Isotope]

I think it's more into the mentality side. He may need to consult with sport psychologist. His lack of concentration and non-existence presence to intimidate opponent are things strongly related to mindset. When on form, he's still a top Gk, and as SAF can tell you, it's actually hard to get a good Gk.

 

[RashyForPM]

What an absolute load of crap . The experts on here are hilarious. DeGea may not be the best keeper in the world atm but he certainly is way better than the Keepers you just mentioned

He has made more mistakes leading to goals this season than those two combined. Get your head out of the sand.

Besides, list the games he has kept us in with saves other keepers wouldn’t make this season, since I think it was you who argued with this point just now.

 

[Strelok]

we are stuck with ddg unless he improves the aspects of his game he has never had to address when he was young and could rely on his reflexes like commanding the box and coming off his line. I'm beginning to think it affects our Cbs too when they feel they can't rely on the keeper being aggressive in coming off his line when he can to snuff out opposition moves. This also includes how vulnerable we look while defending set pieces because of his timidity. it won't get better as he gets older.

Some friend of mine told me exactly the same thing few years ago and I laughed at him ... However he's only 29 and supposedly should be in his best years. His reflexes are still the same right? He pulled some of his reflex old saves but I don't know it's still the same or has been worse.

 

[Eire Red United]

I honestly believe he has got a maximum of 2 more seasons left with us.

Don't get me wrong, I do think he has been a good keeper for us... I just think he is on a downward trajectory now (a slow one mind you - he will have flashes of decent saves, but he is still on the way down).

When you consider he has been here for more seasons than Schmeichel was, and more seasons than Van der Sar was, I just struggle to remember any standout moments from De Gea that I will remember him fondly for when he does move on. Honestly there is nothing.

Yet I don't struggle to remember just how great Schmeichel and Van der Sar were.
The memorable moments come very easily from those greats...

Schmeichel
- his performance away at Newcastle in 1996
- his penalty save against Arsenal in the 1999 FA Cup semi-final replay

Van der Sar
- his penalty shoot-out save against Chelsea in the Champions League Final
- his record of 14 consecutive clean sheets in the Premier League


In my opinion Schmeichel and Van der Sar were true greats, and De Gea shouldn't be spoken about in the same bracket as them - because he is not on their level.

As it currently stands I will remember De Gea for not saving a single penalty in the league for nearly 6 years

...by the time he leaves, I could be remembering him for not saving a penalty in the league for an even longer time.

He's the highest paid goalkeeper in the league, and we're absolute mugs for giving him that contract.

He’s fallen off a cliff lately but that’s not true, he’s made some of the best saves I’ve ever seen. It’s not his fault his best years were our worst. Only for him we probably would have been in the bottom half at least once.

 

[Eire Red United]

Some friend of mine told me exactly the same thing few years ago and I laughed at him ... However he's only 29 and supposedly should be in his best years. His reflexes are still the same right? He pulled some of his reflex old saves but I don't know it's still the same or has been worse.

He’s still capable of those unbelievable saves, it’s the basic errors that any goalkeeper would save that are worrying.

 

[Eire Red United]

No consequences for failure.

Yeah. Needs to be dropped now.

 

[Lentwood]

De Gea has always been an unusual GK. For a start, his style is very unconventional. Unlike most GKs, De Gea stays rooted to his line and challenges attackers to beat his reflexes- which in his younger years where phenomenal. His wiry frame, his agility and his ridiculous reaction speed meant he could pull off unbelievable saves other more ‘traditional’ GKs could only dream of.

The problem began when those reflexes started to wane with age. Even a 5% drop off can be the difference between a save and conceding a goal. Now his total lack of other attributes leaves him very exposed.

Don’t believe the rubbish about GKs (or players in general) peaking in their 30s, it’s just bollocks. Science shows the vast majority of athletes peak in terms of physical attributes at about 27/28. A small percentage of athletes might be able to use their experience to counteract the physical decline and therefore compete at the highest level for longer - but you can’t fight it forever

 

[Tel074]

He has made more mistakes leading to goals this season than those two combined. Get your head out of the sand.

Besides, list the games he has kept us in with saves other keepers wouldn’t make this season, since I think it was you who argued with this point just now.

Again what a load of crap . List the games he made saves others wouldn't? What kind of statement is that ffs. He's our keeper so it's irrelevant if another keeper could make them or not . What a childish silly argument

 

[RashyForPM]

Again what a load of crap . List the games he made saves others wouldn't? What kind of statement is that ffs. He's our keeper so it's irrelevant if another keeper could make them or not . What a childish silly argument

You don’t understand do you? How is it irrelevant if other keepers can make saves DDG can’t? Shouldn’t we at least attempt to replace him with them then? United should always have the best of the best, or at least we need to if we want to challenge for the title again.

I don’t know if you watch it, but you sound like Ty of AFTV when he defended Wenger and said he didn’t have to go because he was “trying his best”.

 

[ghaliboy]

Yeah. Needs to be dropped now.

It isn't really the case that he needs to be dropped. He's in a unique situation where he's got enough credit to ride out the end of his career with us and still be revered as a phenomenal keeper that stayed with us while we were shit and still was a model professional through that time. He's at the top of the wage bill, probably rightly so and there won't ever really be any proper finger waving at him ever.

It needs the bandaid treatment. Rip it off and feck him off out the door or just continue to play him and when he makes a mistake go "oh well not much else we can do but continue to support him". It is what it is.

 

[mitchmouse]

Ferguson is on record saying he wishes he had bought VDS before he went to Fulham so I don't know where you are getting the idea he choose Fulham over United . He bought Barthez because Bosnich was injured so much and again you are wrong by saying he only bought Barthez because VDS joined Fulham because he didn't actually join Fulham until the following season that Barthez joined us .
So before you keep preaching to others please do your homework because you my son are chatting a load of pony

I've always thought there was another reason for buying Barthez (a horrible mistake to my mind, which I said at the time - anyone would have looked good in that French team): the rule change about being allowed to pick up the ball from a back pass changed and Bossie wasn't confident with the ball at his feet (not sure many old-style keepers would have been)...

 

[mitchmouse]

DDG seems to have lost the ability to keep concentrating... he's done as far as I can see and doesn't deserve to be automatic first choice

 

[SirAF]

DDG seems to have lost the ability to keep concentrating... he's done as far as I can see and doesn't deserve to be automatic first choice

Henderson should be brought back next season with a view to oust him imo.