Interesting as VAR is always looking at stuff & didn’t give a red .Failing of VAR doesn’t prove anything. I’m absolute my certain he’d have been sent off for this had they looked at it.
Can't understand you see it that way. That boot just does not have to go down in his face. It's there to be seen. It was put there!Looks completely accidental to me. No way would I give a red card for that.
Slow motion is terrible for judging intent.
No, because in this instance he is falling over and also being reckless. If you kick out at a player then you are being reckless - that's all there is to it.If you’re falling over you are not intending to do a challenge or anything. You’re simply falling over so it can’t be reckless as you’re not intending to do anything.
With other reckless challenges people are going in for tackles but miss timed, high etc.
Surely you can see the difference?
I don’t think he kicked out at him, he’s falling over & catches him. That’s all there is to it.No, because in this instance he is falling over and also being reckless. If you kick out at a player then you are being reckless - that's all there is to it.
If they both went up for the ball and Vardy fell atop of Mustafi then it wouldn't be a red card but he kicked out at him - it's really simple.
They gave the benefit of the doubt surely, but that wasn't a natural movement, There's a strike intent. As a combat sport practitioner there's no way that leg movement is not intentional unless he has neurological problems with muscular spasmsYes so clear that the ref & VAR gave nothing
I think the problem with VAR is the human element. Refs are still idiots, however much evidence is put in front of them to the contrary.I don't get VAR, it's a great concept but my God our application has been awful.
He kicks his foot out towards the player when there was absolutely NO reason to do so. It’s 100% deliberate because if not then why kick your foot out? If he’s just falling over naturally then his foot doesn’t move. It moves because he’s trying to kick him. He just probably didn’t realise the guy’s head was there. Completely blown my mind that anyone can think this is an accident to be honest, it’s so clear what he’s doing.I don’t think he kicked out at him, he’s falling over & catches him. That’s all there is to it.
People are seeing it’s Vardy & it’s clouding their judgement I think.
If you think rationally about it it’s obviously not a red (as ref & VAR thought too)
You can’t say it’s 100% deliberate can you. Only Vardy knows that.He kicks his foot out towards the player when there was absolutely NO reason to do so. It’s 100% deliberate because if not then why kick your foot out? If he’s just falling over naturally then his foot doesn’t move. It moves because he’s trying to kick him. He just probably didn’t realise the guy’s head was there. Completely blown my mind that anyone can think this is an accident to be honest, it’s so clear what he’s doing.
Benefit of the doubt -- he hasThey gave the benefit of the doubt surely, but that wasn't a natural movement, There's a strike intent. As a combat sport practitioner there's no way that leg movement is not intentional unless he has neurological problems with muscular spasms
Sorry, you're just talking nonsense now.No we do that already with challenges .
Not with people falling over.
I can’t even believe there’s a debate that a red should be given for accidentally contacting someone while falling over.
Sorry, you're just talking nonsense now.
Firstly, people fall over and make contact with others mostly because of challenges with other players. Vardy fell as part of the challenge from Mustafi. Secondly what contacts happen while are players are falling over, are subjects of investigation with cards issued when deemed intentional.
Again, falling over is not carte blanche to kick people. Players try to disguise their kick outs, with various levels of success. When dangerous contact is made, it's reviewed for intent. Always.
Yes me , the ref & VAR are all talking nonsense.
You can’t prove that was deliberate.If you're saying that's not deliberate then I worry for you. I've studied and worked as a physio. When you fall, especially at any kind of speed your body naturally brings the ligaments inwards to form a solid centre of mass to minimise damage on impact, your legs simply don't flail around and they certainly don't project force from the hip through to the foot like that. That's a movement that's been made deliberately. He obviously didn't know the guys head was there and has lashed out in a moment of rage from the tussle expecting to hit the body.
Yes such a shocker that the ref & VAR agreeee with me ha.
1) You can’t Prove it was deliberate
2) it’s not an intent to do anything, it’s falling over...So can’t be reckless
3) You’re all a little bit insane thinking we should give reds for that, I mean very odd thinking
1. Don't need to. Just like Nketiah dangerous is dangerous.Yes such a shocker that the ref & VAR agreeee with me ha.
1) You can’t Prove it was deliberate
2) it’s not an intent to do anything, it’s falling over...So can’t be reckless
3) You’re all a little bit insane thinking we should give reds for that, I mean very odd thinking
VAR missing it doesn’t prove anything, it’s been inconsistent all season. I don’t know why you keep bringing this up, someone failed in their duties to review it, nothing more. The guy has wounds from the studs on his face for christs sake. Even if it was accidental it should have been looked at. That VAR failed to review proves absolutely nothing.You can’t say it’s 100% deliberate can you. Only Vardy knows that.
Must blow your mind that VAR missed it then. In your opinion then people better be very careful how they fall in challenges in future as they could get red carded. How ridiculous
No he’s falling over. It’s nothing to do with the laws of the game ie) handball or a reckless challenge.You don't need to prove it. That's not how football works. It's not a court of law. Football is based on the opinions of the ref or a committee.
You can't "prove" a handball is deliberate, you make decisions based on unnatural movements or positions of the body.
This is exactly the same, it's an unnatural movement of the body made with extreme force.
Aye. Looks like he’s tried to leave something in and use the excuse of the tussle and falling over to throw a kick. Whether he intends to hit his face specifically is unlikely but he’s clearly swung a leg in his direction.We do that already mate and should continue to do that. We try to judge if contact is intentional or not and if it the movement is unnatural it's deemed intentional and cards are brandished.
A player falling over is not carte blanche to kick and punch people. And most footballers are trying to disguise intentional lash outs as accidental while falling over. It's nothing new
No but VAR is the saviour you all wanted yet you don’t trust it in games.So there is nothing to argue/debate for any penalty decision and red card as Ref and VAR both make the decision, so you can't argue against that.
"Its not a red card, Ref and VAR agree with me"
"It's a penalty, Ref and VAR agree with me"
This.No he’s falling over. It’s nothing to do with the laws of the game ie) handball or a reckless challenge.
So yes if you’re falling over & accidentally catch someone in the face then absolutely you have to prove it was deliberate
from this still image the only way is down. But, the momentum, albeit slight, is carrying his body weight towards Mustafi. That said, I don’t think his leg needs to be anywhere near that high and it does look like he has tried to leave one on himIt's obviously a red card and intentional. I challenge any of you to fall over and extend your leg out with force at the same time. You just don't do it, serves no purpose.
From here, here's down. The natural reaction is to hit the deck on your elbow/upper arm and try to mitigate any damage to your head. Your legs don't go on vacation mode.