This.He never had the quality to be a regular in the first team...Over the last 12 months its become clear that he’s not good enough to be a part of this squad...Ole has systematically phased out the “deadwood” over the last 15 months and I hope he does the same this summer...
Is Lingard as good as gone? | Contract extended by one year
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I would guess. Most people who watch football know who Lingard is.
Highly doubt that, maybe in the UK but globally?
Precisely this. He isn't good enough to be starting or even on the bench currently but he is a massive influence in the dressing room and seems to have a great relationships with many of the squad. Is it worth keeping him around on the fringes if he's happy to do that? It keeps the team happy and he's not the worst player in the world, he can do a job when needed.
The hatred here towards him is unreal. It's not his fault that he has his own limitations. It's not his fault that manager kept on starting him despite being bad. It's not his fault that a new contract was given. He just used that opportunity to also promote his brand. How the hell is that a wrong thing ?
If we are playing they way we are and winning trophies it wont matter a jot. How many other players have had dressing room influence and have been moved on. There is always winners and losers friends and colleagues that move on.
If we ever reach to a point where someone's friendships or relationships are being prioritized over the talent, then as a club we are doomed. Period.
How much would you be prepared to pay him to be, effectively, a cheerleader / players mate?
He seems to lack the character required to overcome his loss of form, best for both sides to move him on imo.
It’s almost like people don’t remember what United has always been before being polluted post 2013. We sold on Phil Neville, Nicky Butt and David Beckham. One of those had a brother in the eleven. All were part of the “Class of 92”. You don’t keep people for “being good influences in the dressing room”. David May and Denis Irwin were much loved too. Once a player is not going to be playing its best for all parties that he moves on.
I don’t hate Jesse. It’s not his fault he’s not of the required standard. Nor is it his fault that the club and managers like LvG and Jose didn’t recruit for that position. Nor was it his doing that the club gave him a bumper deal. He’s a bit silly on social media but so are tons of others.He’s a boyhood fan and loves the club. I’d have been very happy if he were playing well enough to be a decent squad member. Nothing like an academy grad for that role. But his confidence is shot. It must be crushing and absolutely soul-destroying to see his own club’s fans booing him and trolling him.
For his own sake as much as the team’s, its best he makes a fresh start somewhere else. I’m sure he’s not as bad as he shows when playing for us these days. I wish him well - but it’s time to go.
To put it in a nutshell and only about his footballing ability he looked ok in a poor team over the last few seasons. Since we have started to get better and better, including buying in better players and promoting youngsters his best is no longer good enough. Simple as that. As others have said, this also includes Jones, Periera, Rojo etc. Next summer it wouldnt surprise me to see the likes of Fred, Bailly maybe Lindelof moved on as well.
According to this Belgian source we've told Andreas his exit this summer is "absolutely not an option".
https://www.hbvl.be/cnt/dmf20200710_98072775/bankzitter-pereira-mag-niet-weg-bij-Man Utd
Can only imagine this leaves Lingard leaving then.
https://www.hbvl.be/cnt/dmf20200710_98072775/bankzitter-pereira-mag-niet-weg-bij-Man Utd
Can only imagine this leaves Lingard leaving then.
My resentment comes from looking forward to a game for a few days, then see his name in the starting lineup and instantly knowing that we will be struggling for attacking cohesion and creativity. That's been the case for a few years now, if not for that purple patch.
He's a player who occupies one of the front four positions, who doesn't score, create or attack with any conviction. So blunt and boring to watch, and it's been going on for years. He has to go now.
He's a player who occupies one of the front four positions, who doesn't score, create or attack with any conviction. So blunt and boring to watch, and it's been going on for years. He has to go now.
It sounds like the person you should really be hating is yourself.
I think he blew his last chance in the FA Cup against Norwich, the level of opposition we were playing and he was dreadful.
One thing really stands out from this season with Lingard, that game where he kept giving the ball away constantly and the camera's and microphones caught Ole screaming if you do that again your off...
And what did he do, give it away again and got hauled off, and that was the end of him.
One thing really stands out from this season with Lingard, that game where he kept giving the ball away constantly and the camera's and microphones caught Ole screaming if you do that again your off...
And what did he do, give it away again and got hauled off, and that was the end of him.
Then surely your angst should be directed solely at the manager who pick the team, not the player.
Perhaps you might also consider that the reason the manager picks Lingard is because he doesn’t have any better options available, proven by fact that it’s taken a new acquisition in Bruno and the sudden emergence of Greenwood to give the manager that possibility.
Not sure what Lingard does wrong by fulfilling his contract and trying his best.
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Wow, as a United fan who's hardly missed a game for thirty years, I dislike the player Jesse Lingard for his performances, and your answer is that I should hate myself?
You said your resentment of him comes from the resentment of your own feelings about seeing him on the teamsheet.
Not liking the player for his performances is fine.
Watching United for 30 years is irrelevant. It doesn't validate anything in your post.
Excellent post, and my sentiments expressed better than I could.
You serious? Keep a nothing player in the squad because of his mates???
Of course that's the most logical sense, I know he doesn't pick himself. I just don't like watching him play, can't help it. We should have strengthened in his position a while ago, but he has continued to tread water until now.
By the looks of things Solskjaer thought he could be a starter this season and that has blown up in his face. That's the manager's fault but that has arguably cost us dearly this season.
He got worse after setting up his 'brand' and then got worse again after the new current contract. We should have offered him £25K a week, but no...
Yep. I don’t disagree with people saying it’s not his fault he’s not good enough but when you act like a twat and you’re a drag on our performances people are going to dislike you. That Lingardinho video is the perfect illustration of why he’s so disliked by a lot of fans
I just don't like his performances. That's the only thing that has caused my dislike for Jesse Lingard the player.
You think Zlatan is the sort of person who has 'best mates'? There was probably no one who he had a close friendship with, as in, spending lots of time together outside of training and travelling.
He's not globally recognised at all
. United fans probably know him, sure. And Premier League fans maybe vaguely recognise the name, or at least did a couple of years ago. But do you think Juve, Real, Barca, Bayern fans would know who Lingard is without you having to tell them? Not a chance. I certainly couldn't tell you the equivalent level of player in their squads, partly because they dont have any players as bad as Lingard but also because only the regular starting players gain global recognition, even in teams that have been performing much, much better than us of late.If you actually read my post you'd see it's not about his rights in any case. It's purely that the fact he has tried to start his own brand points to him either being ridiculously conceited or a total moron. Nothing players with half a brain don't waste their time trying to kick start clothing brands because they all realise that they'd only haemorrhage money and would never get off the ground. Something Lingard found out the hard way.
Isn't Zlatan quite close to Maxwell? Both 38.
I doubt any of his so-called mates care now that he's hardly seeing any minutes and just happy the team is playing much better.
So logically speaking, you agree your hate should be directed at the manager and not Lingard. Which would invalidate your original statement.
I also think Lingard is not close to being good enough to be a squad player. He had a chance 3 years ago, but hasn't made the next step in development. So he should leave asap for his own good, to be in a more constructive environment for his abilities and to keep playing. But I also recognise that he loves this club more than the most ardent fan and tries his best.
It turned sour when he was promoting his clothing line on derby day, same as when Sanchez started tweeting about his clothing line a few hours after the defeat to Brighton.
They’re allowed to have outside interests but they really need to make it look like football and United are their primary concern at all times. He’s made some very silly PR moves
Gone is a lot better , but who isn't.
You'll be telling me you didn't laugh at him screaming Beans Beans Beans at the camera that time.
That's ok - people that come out with the 'Zlatan doesn't...' quotes sound like twats anyway. So I'd rather be in the wrong!
He is an united player. Of course entire world knows him.
You just gave us 3 of them. Twat.
No, they don't.
It's ok, I was only impersonating a Twat. And apparently did it wrong anyway (according to your good self)
TwatIt's ok, I was only impersonating a Twat. And apparently did it wrong anyway (according to your good self)
“He can still do a job” is a phrase that keeps getting peddled about Lingard, and it makes me ask “what job?”
He’s not creative, he doesn’t offer a goal threat, he can really only play one position. Running? Is that what we consider doing a job now?
Scott McT is an example of a player who can do a job. He has limitations but brings attributes and a versatility that means he can be useful even in the biggest games. Jesse Lingard is not a player who can do a job, at least not for a club looking to actually compete at a high level.
He’s not creative, he doesn’t offer a goal threat, he can really only play one position. Running? Is that what we consider doing a job now?
Scott McT is an example of a player who can do a job. He has limitations but brings attributes and a versatility that means he can be useful even in the biggest games. Jesse Lingard is not a player who can do a job, at least not for a club looking to actually compete at a high level.
Good riddance. I don't know if he has had so many appearances the last few years because we've been terrible or we've been terrible because he's had so many appearances.
Fixed that for you.
Agree in both cases. As stated above he's a player that needs to drop down to mid-table level if he wants regular PL footy.
What I don't subscribe to though, are attacks on his personality or character.
Shouldn't be at a club of Utd's standing - but good luck to him.