[thepolice123]

He was one of the reason we lost points in our last match. His form has been great though, and fair feck to him, but my point is that he eventually gets tired, far quicker tham others, that's why we have no idea how we would do in the second half if he started the game.

This match was far easier than the Southampton one and we still almost threw away this game. On another day the offside goal and the PK would have been given. Our lack of control before he came on was very evident. If you ask me we probably would have been in a more comfortable position by the 60th min if Matic started.

If anything you need to know what is his weakness and his strength. His strength is more suitable against team like Palace who won't press you high. Against team who press high like Southampton, Fred is more suitable to start, Matic is weak against that type of team when playing in that role.

Fred who is far less composed and weaker on the ball? It obvious Fred and McT are different players compared to Matic. I'm not saying they are shite, but they are not the midfielders we need in that DM role.

 

[ivaldo]

Seriously? I saw two glaring errors when he was on the pitch. He was robbed of the ball in a dangerous area after hanging onto it for a good 5 seconds, then later on missed an interception entirely and was saved by DDGs reflexes. We settled down when the 2nd went in, but looked just as uncertain before.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

This match was far easier than the Southampton one and we still almost threw away this game. On another day the offside goal and the PK would have been given. Our lack of control before he came on was very evident. If you ask me we probably would have been in a more comfortable position by the 60th min if Matic started.


Fred who is far less composed and weaker on the ball? It obvious Fred and McT are different players compared to Matic. I'm not saying they are shite, but they are not the midfielders we need in that DM role.

Fred has improved in that aspect though this season. He's been able to handle the situation when under pressure & tight spot. You are talking about last season Fred not this season Fred.

 

[#07]

Seriously? I saw two glaring errors when he was on the pitch. He was robbed of the ball in a dangerous area after hanging onto it for a good 5 seconds, then later on missed an interception entirely and was saved by DDGs reflexes. We settled down when the 2nd went in, but looked just as uncertain before.

Matic is not a world class holding midfielder anymore. However, he is the only proper holding midfield we have. He has a rick in him but we have nobody who sniffs danger in midfield better. The rest of our players simply don't understand how to position themselves on transitions. Even when Matic f's it up at least he's more or less in the right place. Its an indictment of our recruitment since Sir Alex that we only have one holding player in the whole squad. However, there is a visible improvement in our shape when he's on the pitch because of that fact. He may not have been great tonight but he was an obvious step up on McTominay, which says a lot in itself.

 

[Fracture90]

Seriously? I saw two glaring errors when he was on the pitch. He was robbed of the ball in a dangerous area after hanging onto it for a good 5 seconds, then later on missed an interception entirely and was saved by DDGs reflexes. We settled down when the 2nd went in, but looked just as uncertain before.

Yeah, that time when he lingered on the ball too long and got dispossessed was a really poor from him, he's gotta release the ball quicker. But that sharp pass he couldn't intercept, it was a bit out of his reach.

You really don't like the guy, dont you?

 

[OldTrevil]

With time on the ball he is an asset, so against many of the teams that will sit deep he should play. However against top team and high tempo pressing he becomes a liability. His management will be key to how we fair moving forward as he still has a lot to give off the pitch as well.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Really changed the game for us.

made 1/2 pretty bad errors but the rest of the game he helped us get control back.

 

[Red00012]

It’s very frustrating how he thinks he can’t be dispossessed sometimes . The fact he can only turn one way and has one foot doesn’t help and players figure him out .
I’d prefer if he just put the boot through it as you can nearly call it when he’s going to be dispossessed.

Steadied the ship a bit when he came on though .

 

[evil_geko]

I want much more another proper holding midfielder to rotate with Matic than Sancho to be honest.

 

[thepolice123]

Yeah, that time when he lingered on the ball too long and got dispossessed was a really poor from him, he's gotta release the ball quicker. But that sharp pass he couldn't intercept, it was a bit out of his reach.

You really don't like the guy, dont you?

He's the same guy who doesn't rate Carrick.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Got caught on the ball a couple of times when he came on, but I guess it's not always easy to adjust to the pace of the game straight away. All in all, I do feel he gave us that much-needed calmness on the ball.

 

[Foxbatt]

Dwelling on the ball again and could have costed us. No idea why he can't just keep passing. It isn't like he's going to ping a 40 yard pass.

You must be joking. He is one of the players who could ping a 40 yard pass.

 

[ivaldo]

Yeah, that time when he lingered on the ball too long and got dispossessed was a really poor from him, he's gotta release the ball quicker. But that sharp pass he couldn't intercept, it was a bit out of his reach.

You really don't like the guy, dont you?

He should've been there to begin with, otherwise, what is he positioned to intercept?

I'm baffled by the praise he gets, but I'm not unwilling to say he does well when it's merited. No other player gets excused as much as he. Especially the 'he needs to be rested' malarky.

 

[Fracture90]

He should've been there to begin with, otherwise, what is he positioned to intercept?

I'm baffled by the praise he gets, but I'm not unwilling to say he does well when it's merited. No other player gets excused as much as he. Especially the 'he needs to be rested' malarky.

He should've been there to begin with? What kind of bs is that? He can't cover up the whole group all by himself. Don't think he's clairvoyant...

I'm curious, have you seen any positives tonight or did you eyes just catch that one situation where he lingered on the ball for too long?

 

[ivaldo]

He should've been there to begin with? What kind of bs is that? He can't cover up the whole group all by himself. Don't think he's clairvoyant...

I'm curious, have you seen any positives tonight or did you eyes just catch that one situation where he lingered on the ball for too long?

You don't have to be clairvoyant to have a basic understanding of where their one striker is. The concept of shielding is to denying passing avenues. If they have one player to thread the ball through to and you're not there, then you're in the wrong place. It's not difficult.


Tonight? No. I saw none. But I saw plenty of correlation without causation. But feel free to actually look through my posts on Matic before deciding my bias, particularly after regurgitating the same shitty excuses used for him.

Feel free to point out all the positives to his game today. Be sure to be as vague as possible. Use words like calm and experience.

 

[ash_86]

You must be joking. He is one of the players who could ping a 40 yard pass.

Can and does are different things. I don't have anything on Matic thought he has been brilliant since he came back. But he gotta stop hogging the ball and release it quicker.

 

[Master Yoda]

Palace looked more dangerous before Matic came on, thats all you need to know. De Gea Motm, its not even close.

 

[Fracture90]

You don't have to be clairvoyant to have a basic understanding of where their one striker is. The concept of shielding is to denying passing avenues. If they have one player to thread the ball through to and you're not there, then you're in the wrong place. It's not difficult.


Tonight? No. I saw none. But I saw plenty of correlation without causation. But feel free to actually look through my posts on Matic before deciding my bias, particularly after regurgitating the same shitty excuses used for him.

Feel free to point out all the positives to his game today. Be sure to be as vague as possible. Use words like calm and experience.

Not every pass can be cut you know, but if you think you know better about positioning and cutting up the play than the guy who's been doing that on the elite level for years and has been a crucial part of EPL winning sides, so be it.

Really, none? The fact that we looked far more calm and steady once he came on? Bunch of good ball recoveries including the crucial one for the 2nd goal?

I've seen that you've only posted in Martial and Matic thread, to praise one and expectedly as always to scorn one, that says it all. Your agenda is tedious, your petty nitpicking pitiful.

 

[ivaldo]

Not every pass can be cut you know, but if you think you know better about positioning and cutting up the play than the guy who's been doing that on the elite level for years and has been a crucial part of EPL winning sides, so be it.

Really, none? The fact that we looked far more calm and steady once he came on? Bunch of good ball recoveries including the crucial one for the 2nd goal?

I've seen that you've only posted in Martial and Matic thread, to praise one and expectedly as always to scorn one, that says it all. Your agenda is tedious, your petty nitpicking pitiful.

I see you haven't, in anyway tried to identify the positives he brought to the calm without the usual vague praises. Instead you decide to just criticize me directly for my opinion. Classy.

We are already here are we? That didn't take long.

No, the goal calmed us down. We were still at 6s and 7s before then. You might as well claim Lingard calmed us down.

Yeah crazy that, expressing an opinion of a player I thought had done particularly well, and one that I thought hadn't. The irony of course is I have, in the past, been told my agenda for those players were in reverse of what you are claiming right now. I've been plenty positive about Matic's performances as of late, but I won't let a bit of reasoning get in the way of your finger pointing.

 

[KennyBurner]

Matic is the glue. I dont care how many times he gets caught on the ball. If he doesnt play we are not comfortable at the back. He is the first player with initiative. he lets pogba receive the ball in advaced areas.

It shows you how pathetic maguire and lindelof are at distributing. Never any purposeful passes to our forwards waiting in the hole. Slabhead the major offender here.

 

[Fracture90]

We are already here are we? That didn't take long.

No, the goal calmed us down. We were still at 6s and 7s before then. You might as well claim Lingard calmed us down.

Yeah crazy that, expressing an opinion of a player I thought had done particularly well, and one that I thought hadn't. The irony of cause is I have, in the past, been told my agenda for those players were in reverse of what you are claiming right now. I've been plenty positive about Matic's performances as of late, but I won't let a bit of reason get in the way of your finger pointing.

It wasn't a planned pass, one that people usually plan to pull off, it was an attempted clearance by CP's player that happen to take a route it did. There was a lot of power in that pass and you very well now that you're grasping at straws there, really scraping the barrel.

You're prise was never without criticism though, even at times when you brought yourself to write a positive or two you had to add "but...but....but" as well.

Why are you even arguing when your agenda is clear and obvious? You literally said you haven't seen a single positive from his last night's performance.

Tonight? No. I saw none.

 

[AmanNits04]

He is what holds the midfield together, Scott is a good player too but he is not a number 6,neither is Fred, both of them can't move the game a tempo from deep. Good Game by Matic, we desperately need a number 6 who is young.
Also,another advantage of Matic is, he is really good at positioning during defending, he knows how to cut a pass from the opposition or where to position himself around our box, Fred and Scott haven't developed that yet and maybe it comes with experience.

 

[Black Adder]

That operation he had back in December did him world of good, he looks like a new player!

 

[Skills]

Its weird that whenever he plays poorly, the auto response is he must be tired. The bloke is only 31 years old and he's always been a patch/streaky player from the moment he got here.

 

[Fracture90]

You don't have to be clairvoyant to have a basic understanding of where their one striker is. The concept of shielding is to denying passing avenues. If they have one player to thread the ball through to and you're not there, then you're in the wrong place. It's not difficult.

Actually with this you're contracting yourself.
Since the ball travels in straight lines most of the time (with a slight ° of curvature at times) it shows his positioning is rather good as it has always been, but that ball had s lot of power on it and as i said it wasn't an intended pass it was a low clearance with a good amount of power in it. Even if you position yourself perfectly you won't cut each and every pass.

 

[VP89]

Seriously? I saw two glaring errors when he was on the pitch. He was robbed of the ball in a dangerous area after hanging onto it for a good 5 seconds, then later on missed an interception entirely and was saved by DDGs reflexes. We settled down when the 2nd went in, but looked just as uncertain before.

Yeah he had a shakey start initially. Got better but he needed to settle for sure.

 

[ivaldo]

Actually with this you're contracting yourself.
Since the ball travels in straight lines most of the time (with a slight ° of curvature at times) it shows his positioning is rather good as it has always been, but that ball had s lot of power on it and as i said it wasn't an intended pass it was a low clearance with a good amount of power in it. Even if you position yourself perfectly you won't cut each and every pass.

Do you realise how desperate this sounds?

And you accuse me of an agenda.

Its weird that whenever he plays poorly, the auto response is he must be tired. The bloke is only 31 years old and he's always been a patch/streaky player from the moment he got here.

It's the same excuses every time. He can play well and he can play poorly. His poor performances, are never his fault.

Yeah he had a shakey start initially. Got better but he needed to settle for sure.

There's a problem with pointing that out though, apparently.

 

[Fracture90]

Do you realise how desperate this sounds?

And you accuse me of an agenda.

Actually it shows that you lack the basic understanding that you preach and I've explained to you as to why it is.

Did you or did you not state that you haven't seen a single positive from his last night performance?

 

[ivaldo]

Actually it shows that you lack the basic understanding that you preach and I've explained to you as to why it is.

Did you or did you not state that you haven't seen a single positive from his last night performance?

No you havent. You've used plenty of buzzwords in place of actual reasons, but that's all.

You have still yet to give me yours without the usual vague praises that eludes to 'calmness" and 'experience,' because you can't. It must just be coincidence that his calmness and experience only started taking hold when we scored a second.

This is all going to get really awkward for you and your agenda once you discover that I advocated Matic coming on before the sub was made... Along with several posts I made praising the player of course. I gather you've been just as considered during your stoic defense of the player?

But I'm the one with the agenda.

 

[KennyBurner]

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We either go back into the market for a matic replacement or we trust in Fred. I dont mind Fred if he can adapt his game to moving more with the ball. One thing i do know is that Mctominay is not a good DM.

 

[Fracture90]

No you havent. You've used plenty of buzzwords in place of actual reasons, but that's all.

You have still yet to give me yours without the usual vague praises that eludes to 'calmness" and 'experience,' because you can't. It must just be coincidence that his calmness and experience only started taking hold when we scored a second.

This is all going to get really awkward for you and your agenda once you discover that I advocated Matic coming on before the sub was made... Along with several posts I made praising the player of course. I gather you've been just as considered during your stoic defense of the player?

But I'm the one with the agenda.

Matic being on the field provided more cover for CB's because he's always offering himself for a pass not to mention that he's doing the usual ball recovery. Also he's better on the ball and had better distribution which enabled Pogba to go further up the field because Matic is better at covering him than MCT is. Pogba being further up the field made us look more dangerous and Matic' interpretation coupled with quick realise of the ball helped us score the 2nd goal and seal the game.

How is you wanting Matic here any relevant to this discussion? The fact you have to bring that up to defend yourself is telling.

You failed to answer, did you or did you not state that you haven't seen a single positive from Matic game last night?

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

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We either go back into the market for a matic replacement or we trust in Fred. I dont mind Fred if he can adapt his game to moving more with the ball. One thing i do know is that Mctominay is not a good DM.

Exactly this. And I don't get the people saying give him time to adapt to the role bringing up how Matic took time before he became a top class DM or how Carrick converted to DM. Mctominay isn't showing the technique of those guys for me to think he can come good as a DM. It's blind faith. He's best as a box to box then play him there. We are not a top team filled with top players to start experimenting with player positions

 

[ivaldo]

Matic being on the field provided more cover for CB's because he's always offering himself for a pass not to mention that he's doing the usual ball recovery. Also he's better on the ball and had better distribution which enabled Pogba to go further up the field because Matic is better at covering him than MCT is. Pogba being further up the field made us look more dangerous and Matic' interpretation coupled with quick realise of the ball helped us score the 2nd goal and seal the game.

How is you wanting Matic here any relevant to this discussion? The fact you have to bring that up to defend yourself is telling.

You failed to answer, did you or did you not state that you haven't seen a single positive from Matic game last night?

It's quite incredible, really.

You'll have to explain to me how making himself available for a pass provides cover for the CBs.

In terms of the way we improved, no. He had no significant impact on the game and our assuredness came from the second goal. Once that went in, and the team settled, we were able to use his superior ability on the ball when he has time and space.

I didn't say anything about wanting him here, I said I wanted him to come on. What was that about 'reading posts properly?' You really can't connect those dots without my support? feck me you're tiresome. I'm leaving it here. You can be don your cape elsewhere. Byeeee.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

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Shhh... let’s not give ivaldo anything concrete.

Mate, if you didn’t see the difference between United pre-Matic and post-Matic last night, when every other single post here does, you’ve gotta start questioning yourself.

Did he get caught on the ball when he came on after turning 4 times looking for anyone to pass to? Yes, was he the only United player or midfielder caught on the ball once? God no. Is he the only one where you’re actively in his thread slagging him off? Yes.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

It's quite incredible, really.

You'll have to explain to me how making himself available for a pass provides cover for the CBs.

In terms of the way we improved, no. He had no significant impact on the game and our assuredness came from the second goal. Once that went in, and the team settled, we were able to use his superior ability on the ball when he has time and space.

I didn't say anything about wanting him here, I said I wanted him to come on. What was that about 'reading posts properly?' You really can't connect those dots without my support? feck me you're tiresome.

Wow what did you watch

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Shhh... let’s not give ivaldo anything concrete.

Mate, if you didn’t see the difference between United pre-Matic and post-Matic last night, when every other single post here does, you’ve gotta start questioning yourself.

Did he get caught on the ball when he came on after turning 4 times looking for anyone to pass to? Yes, was he the only United player or midfielder caught on the ball once? God no.

I'm sure Ivaldo spent some of his best months of his CAF career trying to convince everyone that Carrick was one of our weakest links.

It's clear that when Matic isn't knackered, he's such a useful asset who complements the team around him. The only criticism I can have is when he looks slightly off the pace, he struggles...but clearly Ole now trusts him so much that dropping/resting him is tough.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I'm sure Ivaldo spent some of his best months of his CAF career trying to convince everyone that Carrick was one of our weakest links.

It's clear that when Matic isn't knackered, he's such a useful asset who complements the team around him. The only criticism I can have is when he looks slightly off the pace, he struggles...but clearly Ole now trusts him so much that dropping/resting him is tough.

Absolutely, as does Pogba in fairness.

Ivaldo on Matic is such a strange one for me, he’s been excellent since he returned in December, has had an off game or 2, as has every single player. Matic though aint allowed that in ivaldo’s head, Pogba for example is. I can’t really wrap my head around those double standards.

 

[Fracture90]

It's quite incredible, really.

You'll have to explain to me how making himself available for a pass provides cover for the CBs.

In terms of the way we improved, no. He had no significant impact on the game and our assuredness came from the second goal. Once that went in, and the team settled, we were able to use his superior ability on the ball when he has time and space.

I didn't say anything about wanting him here, I said I wanted him to come on. What was that about 'reading posts properly?' You really can't connect those dots without my support? feck me you're tiresome. I'm leaving it here. You can be don your cape elsewhere. Byeeee.

Oh wow. You actually understand that providing cover and offering himself for a pass is not mutually exclusive and it's dependant on the situation? Time is linear and he is not omnipresent. He's doing both on different occasions...fact i have to explain this to you is rather bizzare but not surprising really.

He had no significant impact yet his interceptions contributed for our 2nd goal and Bruno's post? Also Kenny posted a stat that he made more ball recoveries in 18min on pitch than MCT had managed in 63min? How is that for no impact?

It's ok, if i overlooked one part of your comment that's not integral to this discussion, no biggie. My stance stays the same, weird of you to bring it up, quite bizzare for you to feel the need to point out that you wanted him subbed on*.

 

[ivaldo]

Absolutely, as does Pogba in fairness.

Ivaldo on Matic is such a strange one for me, he’s been excellent since he returned in December, has had an off game or 2, as has every single player. Matic though aint allowed that in ivaldo’s head, Pogba for example is. I can’t really wrap my head around those double standards.

You're better than this RAB. Not cool.

 

[R'hllor]

What a hammering