I don't listen to enough of him to comment because I'm not a fan of his style. From my point of view though he aint stupid that's for sure. I probably agree with some of his points, he leans towards Jordan Peterson's outlook on many things but Shapiro is far too conservative for me.in what fields/areas of discussion is he actually "smart" in? His entire body of work is either talking to people that agree with him on a political ideology perspective and its talking points, "debating" people and either saying nothing of substance or acting like an irritated man-child, or saying absurd things like selling houses in flood zones.
He probably is reasonably smart and no doubt he's good at debating ill-prepared people.I'm not a fan of him, but it'd be nice to see people not just claim he must be stupid because you don't agree with him. He's clearly a smart guy, doesn't mean what he says you have to agree with!
No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying something similar to people tend to empathise with other like minded people and that's perhaps not always a good thing in politics. One might argue, politicians, right or left, should serve society as a whole, both right and left.Empathy is a standard emotion for a normal human being. He is basically saying politicians should be sociopaths.
I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson, the ideas he expresses on many things I agree with. He's not perfect that's for sure, but people who disagree with his opinion on things like gender equality quickly focus on anything he's got wrong and use it to discount all of his opinions.He probably is reasonably smart and no doubt he's good at debating ill-prepared people.
However he's a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. He knows a little bit about a wide range of subjects and that gives him a misguided confidence. Put him up against an expert and he's quickly made to look like a moron.
The same can be said about the Jordan Peterson who infamously claimed to be an evolutionary biologist with no credentials to show for it. Watch a response to his lobster theory from an actual evolutionary biologist and hes quickly made to look a fraud.
i'm not saying he only debates people that agree with him. I'm saying his "body of work" is:I don't listen to enough of him to comment because I'm not a fan of his style. From my point of view though he aint stupid that's for sure. I probably agree with some of his points, he leans towards Jordan Peterson's outlook on many things but Shapiro is far too conservative for me.
I don't agree he only debates people who agree with his views, look up youtube, loads of his stuff is debating people who disagree with him.
There's 2 types of right wing people, stupid ones and evil ones. The evil ones rally the stupid ones to profit from them. Ben is the 2nd type I'd say.He's found a way to make a good living not really being good at anything so that's kinda smart I suppose.
What's stupid in this world is debatable. Don't you think?There's 2 types of right wing people, stupid ones and evil ones. The evil ones rally the stupid ones to profit from them. Ben is the 2nd type I'd say.
So half of the population are either stupid or evil and they're all of the people on the right?There's 2 types of right wing people, stupid ones and evil ones. The evil ones rally the stupid ones to profit from them. Ben is the 2nd type I'd say.
Someone needs to provide a counterweight to Ben and Jordan triggering the snowflake libs.So half of the population are either stupid or evil and they're all of the people on the right?
I know this forum is incredibly left wing but ffs
It is, in a general way. But at some point people also draw conclusions and make judgements, obviously.What's stupid in this world is debatable. Don't you think?
All people who don't think like me are stupid?It is, in a general way. But at some point people also draw conclusions and make judgements, obviously.
Why do this?All people who don't think like me are stupid?
Personally I wouldn't discount anything he says to do with clinical psychology as he is demonstrably an expert in the field.I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson, the ideas he expresses on many things I agree with. He's not perfect that's for sure, but people who disagree with his opinion on things like gender equality quickly focus on anything he's got wrong and use it to discount all of his opinions.
But how else am I going to learn how to clean my room and go to bed early if not through analogies involving lobsters or feminist-Marxist chaos dragons?Personally I wouldn't discount anything he says to do with clinical psychology as he is demonstrably an expert in the field.
I do think though that his followers should be aware he claims to be an expert in fields where he isn't, and that he uses this deception to promote an ideology despite claiming he isn't an ideologue.
I was mostly just being a tit with the all right wing people are stupid remark. Though I do believe that people like Ben Shapiro willfully manipulate the ignorant in order to gain profit. As do extremely wealthy right wing politicians who get poor people to believe they have their best interest at heart.All people who don't think like me are stupid?
Don't worry, most conservatives know that this is how left wingers see them, it's been brought up and analyzed by several notable conservative thinkers over the last 50 years. The implication is always that anyone not on board with the brilliant vision of the anointed are either morally flawed or intellectually challenged.I was mostly just being a tit with the all right wing people are stupid remark.
At least half of all populations are stupid, yes.So half of the population are either stupid or evil and they're all of the people on the right?
I know this forum is incredibly left wing but ffs
Well, the important part is that you somehow found a way to make yourself the victim.Don't worry, most conservatives know that this is how left wingers see them, it's been brought up and analyzed by several notable conservative thinkers over the last 50 years. The implication is always that anyone not on board with the brilliant vision of the anointed are either morally flawed or intellectually challenged.
Thanks, Ben.Don't worry, most conservatives know that this is how left wingers see them, it's been brought up and analyzed by several notable conservative thinkers over the last 50 years. The implication is always that anyone not on board with the brilliant vision of the anointed are either morally flawed or intellectually challenged.
Not victim, just quite useful to be aware of.Well, the important part is that you somehow found a way to make yourself the victim.
Yeah.. basically I'm shocked he's not standing as a republican candidate somewhere this year as matt geits is basically a bad shapiro tribute actBen Shapiro reminds me of Tucker Carlson. They build strawman arguments and create faux outrage amongst their followings using selective "facts" to draw disingenuous or inaccurate conclusions to stir up division and hate. They are cretins.
How is it useful?Not victim, just quite useful to be aware of.
It's funny because you can swap the terms left winger and conservative and it would be just as true. Or change them to Liverpool fans and United fans or people who sneeze like a normal person and people who wierdly pinch their nose and sort of implode.Don't worry, most conservatives know that this is how left wingers see them, it's been brought up and analyzed by several notable conservative thinkers over the last 50 years. The implication is always that anyone not on board with the brilliant vision of the anointed are either morally flawed or intellectually challenged.
It's Ben Shapiro's wet dream to stand for office. The issue is that he's not a good speaker, a good writer or a good debater. The fact that the GOP hasn't tried to put him in congress yet is probably the best proof that he's bad at all of those things, because they put basically anyone in there. There's like nine Q-anon wackos running in November, but Ben Shapiro is where they draw the line.Yeah.. basically I'm shocked he's not standing as a republican candidate somewhere this year as matt geits is basically a bad shapiro tribute act
I also can't stop thinking of an evil Sheldon Cooper every time shapiro talks which i find almost as off-putting as what he actually says
Or ignorant, which isn't necessarily the same thing as stupid.That being said if after all is said and done someone still votes for Trump in november, he's either evil or stupid. No two ways about it.
Nope, it wouldn't. It's always true to some extent between groups with different views on things, but there's an inherent difference when it comes to people with an unconstrained view on human nature, because these people will always see conservatives as a hindrance to creating a good world for everyone.It's funny because you can swap the terms left winger and conservative and it would be just as true. Or change them to Liverpool fans and United fans or people who sneeze like a normal person and people who wierdly pinch their nose and sort of implode.
It's a bit like the Ben Shapiro's of the world yelling that left wing people are snowflakes, yet completely loose their shite when someone jokingly says they're stupid.
That being said if after all is said and done someone still votes for Trump in november, he's either evil or stupid. No two ways about it.
Because many people on the left will try to trap you by discrediting your morals or intellect by constrasting a) their benign vision with b) your unwillingness/inability to get on board with the vision. Which is a false premise, but very useful and effective, nonetheless.How is it useful?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_MajorityNope, it wouldn't.
Can you please explain what actually are postmodern marxists and cultural marxism? Cause it seems to me like typical right wing bullshit of creating loose labels and shoving in everyone you dont agree with into it. Also there are loads of videos on Youtube if you are really want to know where and why Peterson's theories are wrong.I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson, the ideas he expresses on many things I agree with. He's not perfect that's for sure, but people who disagree with his opinion on things like gender equality quickly focus on anything he's got wrong and use it to discount all of his opinions.
The kind of people Ben Shapiro and Peterson represent, yeah. I personally dont have any problem with anyone who is economically conservative or is religious, but if your political idealogy is about opressing women and minorities then you're an asshole.So half of the population are either stupid or evil and they're all of the people on the right?
I know this forum is incredibly left wing but ffs
Strikes me that assuming this holds true consistently is a false premise unlikely to lead to any capacity to discuss properly.Because many people on the left will try to trap you by discrediting your morals or intellect by constrasting a) their benign vision with b) your unwillingness/inability to get on board with the vision. Which is a false premise, but very useful and effective, nonetheless.
He just means patterns of thought influenced by deconstructionism in postmodernism and the material dichotomy from Marxism, which is pretty much the basis of much far left thinking. The fact that Derrida didn't talk about college campuses or whatnot is beside the point.Can you please explain what actually are postmodern marxists and cultural marxism?
That's fair enough, but the very essence of conservatism is based on resistance to progress. Especially progress that impacts your own wealth, privelige, standing and whatnot.Nope, it wouldn't. It's always true to some extent between groups with different views on things, but there's an inherent difference when it comes to people with an unconstrained view on human nature, because these people will always see conservatives as a hindrance to creating a good world for everyone.
Which isn't stupid at all, I understand it very well, but I just happen to disagree with it.
What patterns of thought, specifically?He just means patterns of thought influenced by deconstructionism in postmodernism and the material dichotomy from Marxism, which is pretty much the basis of much far left thinking. The fact that Derrida didn't talk about college campuses or whatnot is beside the point.
yeh, when I say I’m a big fan I mean from a psychology point of view. I do also agree with many things he says about things like the gender pay gap and why equality of opportunity is desirable over equality of outcomes.Personally I wouldn't discount anything he says to do with clinical psychology as he is demonstrably an expert in the field.
I do think though that his followers should be aware he claims to be an expert in fields where he isn't, and that he uses this deception to promote an ideology despite claiming he isn't an ideologue.
I have absolutely no idea. When I say I’m a big fan it’s to do with mainly what I’ve seen on his motivational work and also his opinion on the gender pay gap etc. the fact he sees some factions of the left as illiberal is also something I agree with.Can you please explain what actually are postmodern marxists and cultural marxism? Cause it seems to me like typical right wing bullshit of creating loose labels and shoving in everyone you dont agree with into it. Also there are loads of videos on Youtube if you are really want to know where and why Peterson's theories are wrong.
Bonus video on Ben Shapiro if you're interested
Postmodernism and Marxism are inherently conflicting idealogy. A reconcillation between the two is absurd. Postmodernism is against grand narratives, and Marxism is based on the grandest narrative ever. If you're a postmodernist you cant be a Marxist and vice versa. Marxists likewise have been dismissive of postmodernism and claim its not a valid philosophy and more of a cultural thing. There have been multiple books written on the subject-He just means patterns of thought influenced by deconstructionism in postmodernism and the material dichotomy from Marxism, which is pretty much the basis of much far left thinking. The fact that Derrida didn't talk about college campuses or whatnot is beside the point.
