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Can you please explain what actually are postmodern marxists and cultural marxism? Cause it seems to me like typical right wing bullshit of creating loose labels and shoving in everyone you dont agree with into it. Also there are loads of videos on Youtube if you are really want to know where and why Peterson's theories are wrong.






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Its a load of bollox really from a very misguided man.

He is a self proclaimed expert on Nazism/Facism yet seems to totally ignore the very real existential threat posed by Neo-Facists around the world, instead working himself into a lather about trans people and avo lattes. I mean Marine Le Pen came within a whisker of becoming President of France. There there is him crying on stage with Orban. We have Bolsonaro, Trump etc etc.

Peterson is small town. And he is deluded.
 

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Of course not. KirkDuyt's post was obviously facetious, although playing on a serious theme, and I agree with much of what he wrote later on.

As for Shapiro and Peterson, each one appeals to identitarianism in his own way. The kind that processes challenges to the power it identifies with as an offense against nature, and an impending breakdown of (Western) civilisation. I see that as the basis of their current success. The resulting attitudes and politics contribute to making the world even more miserable than it is anyway, so I naturally can't bring up much tolerance towards them beyond civilized basics.

I can still discuss individual talking points, but it depends on circumstances.

Isn't that a rather postmodern characterization of Marx' materialism?
Very very nicely put.
 

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Of course not. KirkDuyt's post was obviously facetious, although playing on a serious theme, and I agree with much of what he wrote later on.
Agree. After the fact
 

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Hopefully he has to have his Larynx removed at some point in the near future, maybe by his wife(she's a doctor).
 

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Listening to him on Rogan where I guess his bullshit is reduced, when Rogan makes your talking points look like crap, you should really not consider yourself, particularly good.

I get the impression he suffers from small man syndrome and was bullied alot for it as a kid. He just comes across as an entitled prick who has a chip on his shoulder. His arguing with Uni students and high school kids is just simply bullying.
 

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Listening to him on Rogan where I guess his bullshit is reduced, when Rogan makes your talking points look like crap, you should really not consider yourself, particularly good.

I get the impression he suffers from small man syndrome and was bullied alot for it as a kid. He just comes across as an entitled prick who has a chip on his shoulder. His arguing with Uni students and high school kids is just simply bullying.
Definitely. He’s a twat that is best left ignored.
 

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Listening to him on Rogan where I guess his bullshit is reduced, when Rogan makes your talking points look like crap, you should really not consider yourself, particularly good.

I get the impression he suffers from small man syndrome and was bullied alot for it as a kid. He just comes across as an entitled prick who has a chip on his shoulder. His arguing with Uni students and high school kids is just simply bullying.
Absolutely nailed it.
 

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Listening to him on Rogan where I guess his bullshit is reduced, when Rogan makes your talking points look like crap, you should really not consider yourself, particularly good.

I get the impression he suffers from small man syndrome and was bullied alot for it as a kid. He just comes across as an entitled prick who has a chip on his shoulder. His arguing with Uni students and high school kids is just simply bullying.
Pretty much. A friend of mine loves him. Pre orders every book listens to every podcast and he was bullied at school im pretty sure. A lot of his fans are like that. Theyre more just angry at society and want a safe space to vent and talk crap.

Its all really sad. Also, I dont mean to say this in a bad or abusive way at all but I have a suspicion Shapiro is slightly autistic. Its wrong to self diagnose so I accept this isnt right of me but the friend of mine who likes him, I believe also has slight autism. I reckon both were bullied for it at school and the rest is evident.
 

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Pretty much. A friend of mine loves him. Pre orders every book listens to every podcast and he was bullied at school im pretty sure. A lot of his fans are like that. Theyre more just angry at society and want a safe space to vent and talk crap.

Its all really sad. Also, I dont mean to say this in a bad or abusive way at all but I have a suspicion Shapiro is slightly autistic. Its wrong to self diagnose so I accept this isnt right of me but the friend of mine who likes him, I believe also has slight autism. I reckon both were bullied for it at school and the rest is evident.
Also nailed it.
 

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Definitely. He’s a twat that is best left ignored.
Pretty dangerous opinion really. How many people said that about trump. Something he says is connecting with people...the question is why? I do not believe for a second everybody who listens to him, or takes on board what he has to say are simply dumb people with worthless opinions.
 

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Pretty dangerous opinion really. How many people said that about trump. Something he says is connecting with people...the question is why? I do not believe for a second everybody who listens to him, or takes on board what he has to say are simply dumb people with worthless opinions.
Yeah a lot of serious people listen to him too.

If there was Islamic version of Shapiro who had the same opinion he has towards say jews they would be jailed and banned (and rightly so)
 

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Pretty dangerous opinion really. How many people said that about trump. Something he says is connecting with people...the question is why? I do not believe for a second everybody who listens to him, or takes on board what he has to say are simply dumb people with worthless opinions.
He says racist, sexist, transphobic and homophobic shit, and his fans eat it up. That's the majority of his appeal, that's why he's connecting with people. Sprinkle in some nationalism, and you've got Shapiro explained.
 

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Pretty dangerous opinion really. How many people said that about trump. Something he says is connecting with people...the question is why? I do not believe for a second everybody who listens to him, or takes on board what he has to say are simply dumb people with worthless opinions.
Of course they are, the problem is that there are so bloody many of them! @Halftrack covers it.
 

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Of course they are, the problem is that there are so bloody many of them! @Halftrack covers it.
That's the whole reason people like Trump are in power and Ben Shapiro is somewhat famous. People underestimate how stupid most of our species is. Someone said to me in response to this; so you're saying half the people are stupid? Half?! It's easily 75%

Calling them deplorables was quite accurate. A terrible strategy, but true nonetheless.
 

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That's the whole reason people like Trump are in power and Ben Shapiro is somewhat famous. People underestimate how stupid most of our species is. Someone said to me in response to this; so you're saying half the people are stupid? Half?! It's easily 75%

Calling them deplorables was quite accurate. A terrible strategy, but true nonetheless.
Absolutely agree.
 

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Pretty much. A friend of mine loves him. Pre orders every book listens to every podcast and he was bullied at school im pretty sure. A lot of his fans are like that. Theyre more just angry at society and want a safe space to vent and talk crap.

Its all really sad. Also, I dont mean to say this in a bad or abusive way at all but I have a suspicion Shapiro is slightly autistic. Its wrong to self diagnose so I accept this isnt right of me but the friend of mine who likes him, I believe also has slight autism. I reckon both were bullied for it at school and the rest is evident.
Shapiro seems like the kind of guy who needs to hear his wife telling him she loves him at least 5 times until he let's her go out with her mates.
 

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He says racist, sexist, transphobic and homophobic shit, and his fans eat it up. That's the majority of his appeal, that's why he's connecting with people. Sprinkle in some nationalism, and you've got Shapiro explained.
While I don’t disagree that many of his fans are all of the above I set quite a high bar for these things. It all depends on your definition of each but taking the transphobic example I’m guessing Shapiro thinks tran women are not biologically women. I’d say that’s a fair enough opinion to hold and not transphobic.

I think there’s a big woke backlash at the moment which could further explain why he’s so popular. I think people have reached their limit with regards to having people constantly bang on about how the whole world is racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic etc.
 

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I’m guessing Shapiro thinks tran women are not biologically women. I’d say that’s a fair enough opinion to hold and not transphobic.
As far as I understand the issue, Shapiro's stance goes against the very core of what trans people are. He uses biology* to impose social standards on those who don't (and can't) fit into traditional gender categories and roles. Bigots of his kind see these people as an abomination and, since they can't get rid of them, want to at least shut them out with accusations of "unnaturalness", and roll back any supportive policies as far as they can.

* or rather: biologism
I think there’s a big woke backlash at the moment which could further explain why he’s so popular. I think people have reached their limit with regards to having people constantly bang on about how the whole world is racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic etc.
I'd say the opposite is true, except for the part that a lot of people don't want to hear about racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. I'm convinced that "conservatives" who see themselves as defending against "wokeness" just rationalize views they'd hold anyway. Their views may indeed radicalize when they feel under pressure, but that's their own doing.

(Not that there aren't things that overstep lines, it certainly happens. But when people claim that's their reason to be fond of Shapiro etc., they just self-justify.)
 

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I'd say the opposite is true, except for the part that a lot of people don't want to hear about racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. I'm convinced that "conservatives" who see themselves as defending against "wokeness" just rationalize views they'd hold anyway. Their views may indeed radicalize when they feel under pressure, but that's their own doing.

Obviously. The same way all the people protesting just rationalize their need to burn and loot things. They'd want this anyway, any excuse is just a pretext. Their views may indeed radicalize when they feel under pressure, but that's their own doing.
 

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What is postmoderism in laymans terms? Explain it to me like i am five years old.
 

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Obviously. The same way all the people protesting just rationalize their need to burn and loot things. They'd want this anyway, any excuse is just a pretext. Their views may indeed radicalize when they feel under pressure, but that's their own doing.
Concentrating on militancy not looting, this will actually be true in some cases, but mostly nope.

Edit: Okay, it deserves a better answer. The reasonableness and moral justification of opposition and radicalism obviously differs according to what kind of pressure we're talking about. And how realistic or irrational the motivating fear is. The threat BLM fights against is very real and immediately dangerous, the threat Shapiro-style conservatives feel coming from LGBT acceptance isn't.
 
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Concentrating on militancy not looting, this will actually be true in some cases, but mostly nope.

Edit: Okay, it deserves a better answer. The reasonableness and moral justification of opposition and radicalism obviously differs according to what kind of pressure we're talking about. And how realistic or irrational the motivating fear is. The threat BLM fights against is very real and immediately dangerous, the threat Shapiro-style conservatives feel coming from LGBT acceptance isn't.
I agree with this but shapiro supporters do not. They believe the woke crowd are slowly suppressing American freedom and all that's good. Its a fair number of closet and open racists mixed in with some incels mixed together.
 

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I saw that he got outed on Twitter for creating an aggressive BAME website himself to share on Twitter.

Wonder who he’s actually working for?