Outside of PSG obvious offensive players (Neymar,Mbappe,Di Maria) Herrera was there most effective midfielder on the attack. Someone who for a big period of his time at United was considered to be more productive defensively.
Ander Herrera Revisited
- Thread starter Pexbo
- Start date
There's absolutely nothing Herrera offers that would improve the current Man Utd squad. He runs around lot, passes, doesn't score goals, doesn't get too many assists. We have a few of those types of midfielders already. Herrera is on 300,000 a week at PSG but as a player his true value is definitely not higher than earning 150,000 a week.
He's been on the bench all season at PSG and he will be on the bench for them for most of next season too.
He's been on the bench all season at PSG and he will be on the bench for them for most of next season too.
Think he was rather good yesterday, one of their best players on the pitch. He even created some sitters for them.
He is exactly what he was when at United, good midfielder and underrated on here. That said, wouldn't swap him withFred and with our current midfield options he is not missed.
Clearly his game hasn't changed since he was here because he looks exactly the same - a good option for big games but not a match-winner.
I suppose in hindsight him and Fred are eerily similar, though he is an obvious upgrade though on McT because of his experience (no disrespect).
I suppose in hindsight him and Fred are eerily similar, though he is an obvious upgrade though on McT because of his experience (no disrespect).
Herrera played some crucial passes against Atalanta and Bayern which the later failed to covert. He might not be the player what the caf thinks but he was trusted by Tuchel to start in all three matches, that should answer everything.
If I were Herrera I would change agents. Not only did he fail to inform Herrera of United's contract offers, he went and blabbed about it to UncleBob from the internet!
As for his performance in the final, it was absolutely no surprise. He's a big game player who always steps up in the big games. That return pass to Mbappe was incredible and was a really really bad miss from player of that quality.
With the way United play now with quick feet around the box, Ander would be a really good option.
Herrera set him brilliantly, what a chance that was! I was constantly torn between wanting Herrera to lift the trophy vs taking delight in DiMaria's misery
Have you considered trying text to voice since you're struggling with reading basic text
I can read it just fine.
Understanding how you know more about discussions United had over a new contract with Herrera's agent than Herrera himself is a bit of a struggle I must admit.
He said United didn't come in with an offer until he had less than 6 months left on his contract? You know this isn't true because . . . ?
It was the same with us, every decent thing he did was overrated by many here.
Yeah. Should've had 2 assists and could quite easily have found the net himself. And what does caf do? Says he 'ran about a lot.'
So, what were these discussions about then? Can you enlighten me on how they went down exactly?
Or despite having all of these discussions United thought it a good idea to wait until the last 6 months of his contract to offer him a deal?
What a great idea that was. Let's wait until he's free to speak with other clubs who will offer him a far more lucrative deal because they can sign him on a free transfer.
You're holding him to a very high standard, he was never a match winner.
This has been said a few times now. Which DM/#6 in world football is a match winner? Would people describe Fernandinho/Fabinho/Matic as such?
I’m not saying Herrera is on their level but it seems a strange comment to make about him.
text to speech?
Rather than trying your best to avoid the question, why don't you explain it to me how it all went down?
What happened during all of these talks with his agent about extending his deal?
Matic is far better at positioning than Herrera. You really are overrating Herrera here. He was here for many years and for a good portion of that time, our midfield was still shit.
Huh?
Last edited:
3 good games this season for PSG, direct interview and why they lost. Injured most of the season, enter Ander Herrera. The most overated player at United in years, think he put a spell on people.
This has happened to every player that has left.. He was a good player but never in a million years worth 350k a week, not even 150k.
We have seen the same happen with Smalling, Lukaku and don't laugh, I have seen fans say we should have kept Young because WIlliams has had 2/3 bad games.
Why do you find it so complicated to stick to what i've actually written?
Never?
What happened during those talks and why did it take the club so long to offer him a deal? Not complicated at all. It's a simple question.
Nope, you're overrating Matic. Another praising his impassivity. You'll get it once we sign a proper DM. Hell, you should've got it seeing Fred and co dominate Sevilla's midfield a few weeks ago.
You haven't noticed yet that whenever Matic has a poor run of form, it's invariably blamed on being overplayed? It's the same excuse that was used when he first arrived, and it's still being used now. I can't remember the last time we had a player that had so many excuses made for him. He was a good player, and for the first 6 months of being here and played well. But that ship had sailed long ago.
Not worth what he wanted, not in a million years.
Imo it's a bit unfair to put it that way.
Herrera didn't even get the chance to ask for a ridiculous wage in the first place. It was only until after PSG offered him a contract that we started to discuss a new contract with him. And we couldn't match what PSG offered.
He just chose what was the best for him.
Not really fair as Matic is a Mourinho guy & Mou is loyal if not much else. Much props to Matic that he won over Ole, but I'd think Ole would've appreciated another option to Matic, especially after the re-start. Ander did get a good run under Ole until his injury & 'contract' issue. Makes you wonder if Ander had re-upped whether Matic would have gotten back into the side & get a contract extension. It wasn't an either/or situation with them, as it seems Ole tended to play them both when available. In the current set-up, only 1 would be needed per match, but I'd think Ole would be more willing to rotate them vs starting Fred or McTom.
Why are you using that to hold it against him?
He was player of the year the season before, he wanted a new contract then, but it never came, then the club allowed his contract to run down until the last 6 months, allowing PSG to make a very good offer to him. The club never got in touch with him for 3 months at the start of the year, when he was free to talk to other clubs, until they sent a letter in the post informing him of us extending his deal. But in the meantime we can extend players like Young, Jones & Smalling's contract before him?
We waited until the last second, and apparently made a minimal offer too. He was in his right to take that PSG offer to the board.
If the club extends his deal the year before, like he wanted, that offer from PSG doesn't come. The club mishandled his contract. Simple as that. Like everything coming out the of the club since SAF retired, everything is left to the last second, farce after farce.
Last edited:
Okay, that definitely told me.
He scored more than Fred and was much better in big matches, including coming up with goals in them. Can you send me a copy of his contract? Thanks. He's been used in the knockout stages of the champions league and helped his team get to the final and almost win it. While Fred and McTominay were backups to a team that were knocked out before the final of the Europa League.
Thought provoking stuff, as ever.
Definitely told me there again.
Another though provoking post, elegantly put. I'm sure you'll deliver another blow, as earth-shattering as the last two, but I won't have it in me to respond again. Go bother someone else.
Better put than ive been saying the last page or so.
He only got that contract and wage because we didnt offer him a deal and psg came in.
Somewhat ironic, given the fact that your first attempt was this:Anyway, talks about contract extensions can easily take time, like De Gea's contract, where Mourinho stated in august 2018 that De Gea was close to signing it, didn't happen until september 2019. Talks were held in order to find out what Herrera was looking for, amount of years and wages, and you try to reach a compromise, at 29 signing his last big contract it's hardly a shock that he's being shopped around, he's always going to be interested in hearing what others will offer him and it's no surprise that we were never going to go close to matching PSG's offer.
As to why we bothered to make a formal offer when we knew he was unlikely to sign it, no idea, maybe a last ditch attempt.
Shame he left.
You seem to be drawing a major distinction (almost obsessively so) between a contract offer and discussions but to illustrate the point of how long discussions can take you note "Mourinho stated in august 2018 that De Gea was close to signing it, didn't happen until september 2019".
Anyway, talks about contract extensions can easily take time, like De Gea's contract, where Mourinho stated in august 2018 that De Gea was close to signing it, didn't happen until september 2019. Talks were held in order to find out what Herrera was looking for, amount of years and wages, and you try to reach a compromise, at 29 signing his last big contract it's hardly a shock that he's being shopped around, he's always going to be interested in hearing what others will offer him and it's no surprise that we were never going to go close to matching PSG's offer.
As to why we bothered to make a formal offer when we knew he was unlikely to sign it, no idea, maybe a last ditch attempt.
Shame he left.
How was he close to signing a contract if there was no offer?
Honestly, I don't think I've seen posts on this forum so lacking in logic as yours.
The one part I wholeheartedly agree with is the bolded above.
Sad but true.
At times it feels like there's nobody at the club who is aware of the contractual situation of our players or our targets. You look at clubs like Juve and Bayern, they always seem to know when the players they want will be out of contract and when they need to act to tie up or get a profit on their players.
With United it feels like players often get into the last year of their deal with no planning: the club neither knows whether it wants to sell them or keep them. Then you end up with panicky decisions like a new three year deal for Rojo and four years for Phil Jones.
While, apparently, we had no idea that Sancho had three years left on his deal not two. Its so strange.When Ander was entering the last two years of his deal the club should have decided then what it wanted: Sell him or renew. Instead no decision was taken and Ander acted to secure his future himself.