Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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I am amazed by how so many people are convinced that this deal didn’t go through earlier because of the 1m bonus he was due for completing 10 England matches. Crazy.
Do elite footballers think that way? If he had joined United last month when the transfer hints were at fever pitch (250k per week, rumoured), he would have already earned way more than 1m (plus sponsors’ addons). If he was really keen on the move, why would he risk ruining the potential transfer for a 1m bonus?

Every week lost in the transfer-window decreases the chance of all parties agreeing on the final deal. The holdup in this transfer is because of how United want to structure their 108m payout (United probably want some Covid discount on top of that), and not because of some silly 1m bonus.
Maybe this little 1m bonus will make up for what he'll lose if he submitted a transfer request.
 

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pretty funny obsession you seem to have with the guy. Thing is, he basically gets all of his info from agents/player's camps, while the Stones and Duckers from this world get to report exactly what the club wants them to report. Just because the club briefs something, it doesn't have to be 100% true. It's possible that wages and agent fees were never an issue, but we used that to stall time for one reason or another. We simply don't know.

Romano is not an oracle and people need to stop treating him like that. Remember, agents can use those journalists for their own gain as well. But you painting him as some kind of fraud is laughable, sorry. The guy is well connected and has broken an insane number of news and transfers.
Fake news. I've asked for evidence of this and it never materialises.
 

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You're out of your mind if you think the Glazers will pay 100m in this pandemic without fans or even knowing if the league could be cancelled due to coronavirus. Don't forget in america the virus has been rampant so they know what could happen in england. In addition, I doubt Sancho worth that much. even Chelsea didn't go for him and he belongs in London.
So you think Utd have gone through months and months and months of hard work to buy one of the biggest prospects in world football and one of the most marketable players in the world from agreeing personal terms with the player and agent to dealing with constant shit BVB have thrown at them just at the last minute to say "Naah we wont buy him!!!" just for some grand show? Even that seems to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much of a stretch for even the biggest PR company. It makes no sense for a salesman to put a lot of hard work in a deal with a company to strike a major partnership which he has no intention of entering into a big financial agreement with. Utd have known his price for months and they`ve known BVB won`t drop it even if Sancho asks to leave of course they`ll pay it and they HAVE TO pay if or come next year someone else will and we`ll look like idiots its just a matter of how we structure it as of course not all will be paid at a go/up front.
And pandemic or no pandemic you have clubs like Everton, Villa and even Newcastle with MIKE ASHLEY spending at a higher level than they usually do and they`ve been hit by this pandemic too Manchester United who are probably the most valuable club in England cannot plead poverty of course they can pay over 100m that money will come back with better performances on the pitch leading to higher revenue in terms of TV money, consistent CL revenue and a new and wealthier sponsor next year and nobody went for Bruno when he was valued at 80m or De Bruyne when he was valued at 56m crazy money at the time does that make them useless players?
 
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we can't have 5 minutes of fun before the buzzkills show up

stop disrespecting our long standing muppet culture
But you'd never make it to 1000 pages here without us buzzkills. Talk a about disrespect, man...
 

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Yesterday


Today:


Yep, you seem legit.
Have you not seen how quickly things can change in a transfer saga? I don't know shit about what United is doing, only if they decide to tell the press and my pal gets told and tells me. I'm not Woodward's left bollock.
 

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pretty funny obsession you seem to have with the guy. Thing is, he basically gets all of his info from agents/player's camps, while the Stones and Duckers from this world get to report exactly what the club wants them to report. Just because the club briefs something, it doesn't have to be 100% true. It's possible that wages and agent fees were never an issue, but we used that to stall time for one reason or another. We simply don't know.

Romano is not an oracle and people need to stop treating him like that. Remember, agents can use those journalists for their own gain as well. But you painting him as some kind of fraud is laughable, sorry. The guy is well connected and has broken an insane number of news and transfers.
He's not a total fraud. I have said he does get info on some stuff. But why would an intalian journalist know about an English player joining from a German club?

Dortmund CEO already made him look silly with the contract extension announcement. Now yesterday he looked even more so.

And he even started tweeting about DVB even though he had no idea about the transfer until Ten Haag basically announced it to the world on TV.

He isn't an oracle you're right. They are all BS merchants.
 

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I can't allow myself to get hopeful again. My heart would ache if it falls through. I'll need to see him in our shirt. But please make it happen.
 

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Transfer request exists and they are tied to loyalty bonuses, when players submits official transfer requests, he won't be getting the bonus.

So, despite the claims of loyalty to the club, respect for the fans and forthrightness with the manager, it could be said that the biggest cause of modern footballers’ shyness for transfer requests is the lucrative contractual bonuses they forego by submitting one. In short, a loyalty bonus tends to be spread incrementally over a player’s contract – i.e. 20% each year on a five-year deal.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...g-a-transfer-request-fourfourtwo-investigates
 

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I highly doubt they would only let him go with the full fee upfront. If that's the case, we won't sign him, no-one could justify a lump sum like that in this market. Would also be a kick in the balls to tell him if we get 120m, we will let you go, only to turn around and tell him to get fecked, he's staying. Wouldn't make the happiest player, I don't think

They will accept a 2 or 3 year instalment plan, with a good chunk of it upfront, if we offer it, which we are very much capable of doing
 

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Catchy chant for our soon to be signing...
“Hey Ho Sancho, Hey Ho Sancho”

To the tune of The Ramones’ Blitzkrieg Bop, “Hey Ho Let’s go”....
 

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I like Mitten and I trust him, but that was an unusually depressing one.

Any optimistic question is basically followed up with "yeah but.. this is why the current climate is still shit"
Sadly nothing he says can be disputed..so this still has some miles to go
 

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And now that he`s gotten his bonuses he is in a position to submit a transfer request with no bonuses to lose:D
I think there must be clauses where player has to return the bonus if he submits transfer request after getting bonus.
 

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pretty funny obsession you seem to have with the guy. Thing is, he basically gets all of his info from agents/player's camps, while the Stones and Duckers from this world get to report exactly what the club wants them to report. Just because the club briefs something, it doesn't have to be 100% true. It's possible that wages and agent fees were never an issue, but we used that to stall time for one reason or another. We simply don't know.

Romano is not an oracle and people need to stop treating him like that. Remember, agents can use those journalists for their own gain as well. But you painting him as some kind of fraud is laughable, sorry. The guy is well connected and has broken an insane number of news and transfers.
I don't get this narrative that has grown here on how one journalist gets his info from agents and others just get it from the club. Any decent journalist will speak to numerous people, yes they might be briefed by club but they will also speak to players, agents, other journalists to try and get the fullest picture. Someone on here was saying earlier that players don't speak to journalists on international duty. This is just made up rubbish.

Yes there are some clickbait crap accounts out there, but those associated with the BBC, Gaurdian, The Athletic or Sky for example will speak to or try to speak to loads of different people. To say someone like Stone is just a Man Utd mouthpiece is a bit insulting, the BBC wouldn't be paying him if that was all did.
 

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I don't get this narrative that has grown here on how one journalist gets his info from agents and others just get it from the club. Any decent journalist will speak to numerous people, yes they might be briefed by club but they will also speak to players, agents, other journalists to try and get the fullest picture. Someone on here was saying earlier that players don't speak to journalists on international duty. This is just made up rubbish.

Yes there are some clickbait crap accounts out there, but those associated with the BBC, Gaurdian, The Athletic or Sky for example will speak to or try to speak to loads of different people. To say someone like Stone is just a Man Utd mouthpiece is a bit insulting, the BBC wouldn't be paying him if that was all did.
Ironic thing is, these posters think they are some geniuses and sees things that others can'r see, when they don't even know that there are some journalists who are well connected with agents and gets info, that's why they break stories before others.

One best example is Di Marzio, doesn't mean whatever they say will be a completed transfer, No transfer works like that. If that's the case then we have to stop believing ManUtd.com as they reported Ramsey and Ljajic deals but those weren't completed.

People like Stone or BBC journalists don't break stories, they report when the transfer is about to be completed. They are not into transfers. Journalists like Di Marzio and his staff are just into transfers, that's why their network is big with agents. Di Marzio used to post pics of player signing contract before the official announcement by club.

End of the day, these journalists will hear what agents, club, players wants them to hear.
 

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His true value in this market is probably 70-80m pounds...at a stretch 85m pounds. Overpaying by 20m pounds is a lot in this climate.
Mbappe - €180m (€145m plus €35m add-ons)
Dembele - €145m (€105m plus €40m add-ons)
Felix - €126m
Havertz - €80-100m (different prices everywhere, sitting somewhere between these two figures once the add-ons are payed)

In terms of what they've proven Sancho sits #2 on this list, behind only Mbappe. Expecting Covid to drop his price all the way to €77-88m isn't believable. That would have him sit at the lower end of Havertz price, despite Sancho having better stats, an extra year on his contract and at a club that is significantly stronger both financially and on the field. Without Covid Sancho would probably be a similar figure as Dembele, so €120m already has some discount in there. I do agree it should probably be a bit more (I'd say €100-110m) but it's certainly not going to be as low as you've said.
 

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Ironic thing is, these posters think they are some geniuses and sees things that others can'r see, when they don't even know that there are some journalists who are well connected with agents and gets info, that's why they break stories before others.

One best example is Di Marzio, doesn't mean whatever they say will be a completed transfer, No transfer works like that. If that's the case then we have to stop believing ManUtd.com as they reported Ramsey and Ljajic deals but those weren't completed.
I'm going to start a separate thread! Don't want to derail the muppetry

Though back on topic from a non united fan, my hunch has always been that this is Sanchon, some of the most reliable sources have reported that both clubs are quietly confident that this will happen in this window.
 

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He is going to be most expensive EPL player ever so is going to have to get used to being analysed on his every performance: I know I will and i have high expectations.

If you want to declare yourself already as a protective fanboy, I’d save your typing fingers, you’ll have plenty of opportunities to use them after he is signed!
Christ, you need to relent on your usage of this term. What self respecting adult utters the word ‘fanboy’?
 

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120 Million is already the discount price for him. In normal circumstances BVB could sell him easily for about 140-150 Million Euros.
 
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Interesting take to have considering about 10 journalists, including 3 or 4 very reliable ones, basically ruined his story yesterday through an obvious leak.

Funny thing is people like you are still not seeing it.
It's like a weird cult at this stage, I fear we are fighting a losing battle pal. Seems they can just flip everything around and make him look the don of transfers when it's clear in just this transfer alone that he's gotten it wrong more than once.
Jeez you two really need to just get a room in a Romano-themed bedroom and just have it out.
 

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I like Mitten and I trust him, but that was an unusually depressing one.

Any optimistic question is basically followed up with "yeah but.. this is why the current climate is still shit"
He gets asked the same questions every day, I can tell you what he's going to say now before he says it. He's probably sick of transfer season.
 

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Can't wait to see him signed with English and German media reporting different figures, English media will say something much less than 120 million while German will say 120 million, and then the following d*ckswinging from United fans saying they got a great deal and Dortmund are fecked. Then Dortmund fans coming out in droves to say the club have done everything according to their plan.
 

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He gets asked the same questions every day, I can tell you what he's going to say now before he says it. He's probably sick of transfer season.
I get the impression he hates transfer season alright. The crap to these journos get on Twitter because it isn't what people want to hear is ridiculous.
 

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The only reason why this forum compares him to Mbappe is his scoring and assist record in the last two seasons. Sancho doesn't have the explosive pace that Mbappe has and we really need to refrain the comparison, else we are setting up the lad for failure. The way I see it, he is around similar level to current Rashford and Martial (or probably a bit better) but also younger by 3 years so has a higher ceiling. And he has some complementary skills to them in terms of being better at dribbling and ability to play on the right.
He'll be better than Mbappe. Much more refined player and less reliant on speed.
 

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Can't wait to see him signed with English and German media reporting different figures, English media will say something much less than 120 million while German will say 120 million, and then the following d*ckswinging from United fans saying they got a great deal and Dortmund are fecked. Then Dortmund fans coming out in droves to say the club have done everything according to their plan.
I actually do think everything is going according to their plan. And if this does go through for 120m, then it’s a good deal for everyone involved.
Dortmund will receive huge financial boost in a difficult time, will reinvest the money and, most likely, multiply them.
United will fix the RW after a decade of watching Mata and Lingard down there.
Sancho gets his move.
Overall, happy days.
 

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Mbappe - €180m (€145m plus €35m add-ons)
Dembele - €145m (€105m plus €40m add-ons)
Felix - €126m
Havertz - €80-100m (different prices everywhere, sitting somewhere between these two figures once the add-ons are payed)

In terms of what they've proven Sancho sits #2 on this list, behind only Mbappe. Expecting Covid to drop his price all the way to €77-88m isn't believable. That would have him sit at the lower end of Havertz price, despite Sancho having better stats, an extra year on his contract and at a club that is significantly stronger both financially and on the field. Without Covid Sancho would probably be a similar figure as Dembele, so €120m already has some discount in there. I do agree it should probably be a bit more (I'd say €100-110m) but it's certainly not going to be as low as you've said.
Good post and I wish people would start to understand this.
 
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