Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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I get the impression he hates transfer season alright. The crap to these journos get on Twitter because it isn't what people want to hear is ridiculous.
Exactly, he’s got solid sources as well but every time he posts something he gets a ton of a abuse for it because the likes of Romano haven’t heard the news yet. The Coman interest and the Serbian kid we didn’t actually sign but everyone said we did sign are good examples of Mitten getting things right and getting shit for it
 

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not entirely, Ducker in his actual article is claiming that Sancho is now pushing the move. Considering this is a direct brief from MUFC, we have officially moved from "Sancho is happy to not agitate a move if the clubs cannot agree" to "Sancho is agitating the move". Also, Romano claiming player terms agreed was not a briefing, we now know direct from the club that a deal has been struck with the player.
Romano is reporting what the German clubs are telling Falk. Ducker is reporting what United are telling him.

The truth is in the middle somewhere I guess.

I have no doubt Sancho has asked for the transfer to happen and Dortmund will have told him if we get the money you’re free to go. Suspect he’ll have to go on strike to get it over the line, unless United have told him not to do that.
 

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The only reason why this forum compares him to Mbappe is his scoring and assist record in the last two seasons. Sancho doesn't have the explosive pace that Mbappe has and we really need to refrain the comparison, else we are setting up the lad for failure. The way I see it, he is around similar level to current Rashford and Martial (or probably a bit better) but also younger by 3 years so has a higher ceiling. And he has some complementary skills to them in terms of being better at dribbling and ability to play on the right.
No but Mbappe would be at least twice the price of Sancho if he was sold
 

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Not happening. Dortmund isn't going to accept less than 130 mill and we're just not going to pay that.
 

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Not happening. Dortmund isn't going to accept less than 130 mill and we're just not going to pay that.
Ask yourself why United would bother spending the last month agreeing terms with Sancho & his agent if we think we have no chance of agreeing a deal with Dortmund.
 

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Not happening. Dortmund isn't going to accept less than 130 mill and we're just not going to pay that.
So a club briefing the public broadcaster (hence legitimacy seeking) with positive news, news much makes it seem like a deal could happen, was all done for no reason? Something happened that allowed the club to brief this last night.
 

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I don't get people expectations and judgement about player wanting to force a move.

Take 2 cases from BvB
Dembele and Sancho.

Dembele was making some antics to force a move to Barca and right now when he was linked to us people were saying he has attitude problems ( not talking about being lazy or playing video games) that he was not loyal and would not want that kind of player because of that, but when it comes to wanting Sancho lot of people expect him to put transfer request to show how much he wants to come here.

I bet that Barca fans were happy about Dembeles behaviour but if Sancho does the same to come here and in a few years will be linked to Barca they will be questioning his behavior towards BvB when forcing his move to OT.

I am in the opposite camp, i appreciate that he wants to come here while being polite and grateful for giving him chance and platform to shine and became player he is now and not acting like a jerk towards BvB
 

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Such a shame because Dortmund was my favourite club in Germany, always had a soft spot for them but this bad behaviour of them is turning me off. Probably the years of being bullied by Bayern make them insecure and inferior.
I don't understand why our fanbase thinks Dortmund have behaved badly. From what I gather, they've always said they value Sancho close to £108m, and want the bulk of that payment up-front if any team wants to sign the player. That has been their stand from day-1. Their stand has been clear and consistent. They would have behaved badly if they raised their initial asking price, or if they didn't allow to release the player even if we agreed to meet their price.

Why should they start offering a discount for a player who will probably be valued higher next year and has two more contract-years? And why should they offer any discount to a club that is richer and bigger than theirs?

If anything, we've been penny-pinching and seem confused. If we think Dortmund's valuation is over-the-top, then we should tell them to stfu, and move on to someone else. If we think their valuation is a fair reflection of Sancho's qualities, we should pay up and tell them to stfu, again. It is clear that they won't lower their asking price.

It is nonsensical to suggest that Dortmund have acted badly.
 

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For the "not happening" crowd, can anyone give a good explanation as to why we would now brief about agreeing terms with Sancho? Wasn't the narrative of "no terms means we can blame sancho for the deal collapsing" basically the "go to" excuse?

So are we really going to now blame BVB for not accepting an official bid? What was the point of the brief if we aren't close?
 

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Some Leeds director said to make a transfer, 5 parties have to agree: Buyer, seller, player, player’s family and the agent. From recent reports and because Sancho and his family are English, it seems the latter 3 parties are sorted. The deal is so close now, I think it’s time for Ed to pay the money. We know Dortmund won’t budge anyway — they never do.
 

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For the "not happening" crowd, can anyone give a good explanation as to why we would now brief about agreeing terms with Sancho? Wasn't the narrative of "no terms means we can blame sancho for the deal collapsing" basically the "go to" excuse?

So are we really going to now blame BVB for not accepting an official bid? What was the point of the brief if we aren't close?
Fridge Chutney says its because this way we can blame Dortmund for it falling apart, rather than anything we did.
 

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Such a shame because Dortmund was my favourite club in Germany, always had a soft spot for them but this bad behaviour of them is turning me off. Probably the years of being bullied by Bayern make them insecure and inferior.
That's like calling a girl a slut because she doesn't want to sleep with you.
 

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Fridge Chutney says its because this way we can blame Dortmund for it falling apart, rather than anything we did.
(responding to point not directly to you Law :) ) how can we blame dortmund now? Surely the only logical time to blame dortmund was before the deadline they set? Briefing a deal with Sancho now, only for dortmund to reiterate the deadline make judge/woody look stupid....right?
 

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Hoping for some news today! Where is Romano when we need those 3 words!
 

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I don't understand why our fanbase thinks Dortmund have behaved badly. From what I gather, they've always said they value Sancho close to £108m, and want the bulk of that payment up-front if any team wants to sign the player. That has been their stand from day-1. Their stand has been clear and consistent. They would have behaved badly if they raised their initial asking price, or if they didn't allow to release the player even if we agreed to meet their price.

Why should they start offering a discount for a player who will probably be valued higher next year and has two more contract-years? And why should they offer any discount to a club that is richer and bigger than theirs?

If anything, we've been penny-pinching and seem confused. If we think Dortmund's valuation is over-the-top, then we should tell them to stfu, and move on to someone else. If we think their valuation is a fair reflection of Sancho's qualities, we should pay up and tell them to stfu, again. It is clear that they won't lower their asking price.

It is nonsensical to suggest that Dortmund have acted badly.
This. It's so strange. They have a contract with the player and are well within their rights to downright refuse any talk of sale. Instead they've put a reasonably reasonable price tag on him and are sticking to that.
 

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If Sancho is putting contractual bonuses at Dortmund ahead of the chance to play for us is that the sort of player we want? Maybe I am being very naive but traditionally we have fared better with players who will move heaven and earth to be a United player rather than ready made superstars who join us because we bid the most like Di Maria.
If that is the case, as long as we are confident in getting him now it actually works well for us to wait. We end up paying about 1m less in wages and more importantly he actually had a better pre-season than any of our players.
 

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He'll be better than Mbappe. Much more refined player and less reliant on speed.
Maybe you are right Pocco but we don't even need one superstar for the team. If we get him we will have 4 excellent footballers who as a unit can be world class. Although if I had to guess, I think Greenwood has the brightest future out of all four of them.
 

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That's like calling a girl a slut because she doesn't want to sleep with you.
Yeah, a lot of that is going on in here. "How dare Dortmund not want to sell their best players at a price that we deem OK?"
 

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Yeah, a lot of that is going on in here. "How dare Dortmund not want to sell their best players at a price that we deem OK?"
A lot of it is also because of resentment due to Dortmund fans and other assorted Germans keep bragging that a deal wont happen now because the deadline has passed.
 

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(responding to point not directly to you Law :) ) how can we blame dortmund now? Surely the only logical time to blame dortmund was before the deadline they set? Briefing a deal with Sancho now, only for dortmund to reiterate the deadline make judge/woody look stupid....right?
I agree with you. To hell with Chutney! He's just mad because he can't watch Maidstone United vs Redditch FC this weekend.

My opinion is that you can never be sure until it's basically done, If you asked me 30 May 2018 the liklihood of Griezmann joining United, I'd have said "9/10" - on 1 June 2018, it was 1/10.

But United have briefed. It appears they've been negotiating personal terms for like 2 months. I find it unlikely that they would have wasted so much time on that if they weren't encouraged that terms with Dortmund would be reachable. Otherwise it's all that work for nothing. Also if the agent took all that effort and time negotiating personal terms, it says to me that he's going to put pressure on Dortmund to sell, and Sancho is as well. Again, why agree drawn-out personal terms to then be like "actually if Dortmund want me to stay, okay"

I'd rank it 8/10 likely - My biggest worry is the financial impact of covid. Restrictions are getting tighter again now too. United might be worried the season will have another pause and lose even more money.
 

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Hoping for some news today! Where is Romano when we need those 3 words!
The only thing I want to do is to rub shit on the face of Jon Fjotorf (or whatever that fecker's name spelling is) when this is done. He is just such a pain in the back with his stupid tweets thinking that he is Mr. Know It All.
 
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