How long will Liverpool's dominance last?

[Maluco]

They weren’t looking good before getting a nice long 3 month rest to fulfill the remainder of their fixtures.

They have played a lot of games over the last 3 years and don’t rotate even nearly enough.

I think next season will be very tough for them to keep up the form right until the very end.

I think this was the peak two years. I think they will go backwards now. How fast? No idea. It could be enough to win another PL or CL. Time will tell, but that massively long run of wins, I think that is gone now.

It would be very rare to see the same group of players with so few additions continue to dominate after 2-3 years.

 

[Zoo]

If City are banned in Europe then I make them favourites. At their best they are still the most difficult team to come up against and will definitely try to strengthen their defence.

 

[We need an rvn]

I don't expect it to last long at all. They (and Citeh for that matter) look on the verge of diminishing returns without significant improvements/additions to refresh the squad. And that's the one thing their managers haven't exactly proved adept at doing so far in their careers. I'd be shocked if either of those 2 clubs win the next 2 league titles.

Unless you meant either club wins them both in a row, I'd be more shocked if we win the title next year or two over city or pool. There is a massive gulf between us still in key areas and them. Sergio / De Bruyne / Sterlin vs Mane / Salah / Firmino vs Rashford / Martial / Greenwood...the other two are in their prime and we will be 2-3 years off before truly hitting form and getting on that wave length Messi etc has with their front three.

Let's not mention De Gea / Ederson / Alisson - we all know who's looking the weaker out of the three right now (and for the last 2 years)

Don't get me wrong, we are going in a much better direction than we have been since fergie left, I'm happy with the signings etc but we won't win next year but I'd be happy with a trophy, strong title challenge and hopefully a decent CL run...

 

[Buchan]

For me, 21/22 is where a rebuild will be needed.

Technically you are correct as next season should still be soon enough for that group of players to be still in peak condition. However, to be pedantic about it, I’d argue that starting the re-build before it’s necessary is a much better strategy. Therefore, this summer should be the one where a few come in and trim the squad of some deadwood (Lovren, Clyne, Shaqiri etc.).

It'll have a positive effect on the incoming players and allow them more time to integrate before 2021/22 and also keep the current squad on their toes and nip any complacency in the bud. It’s what Ferguson was a master at and ensured United were competitive and able to withstand most challenges coming their way. When you’re at the top you’re there to be shot down and that’s the unique obstacle * will have to overcome next season.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

This year was like the year that Leicester won. Hats off to them, Liverpool took advantage of a season where the other teams just weren't that good (just like Leicester did). Anyone can win when playing well, but they also did a good job of winning games when not playing well (which you need to do to be champion). But I don't expect this to last. We are going to be miles better next year. Remember, we didn't have much trouble with the top teams. it was the bottom teams that did us in. Chelsea is going to be better. And after a year of defensive frailties, I won't be surprised to see City bounce back. Especially considering they will only have the league to play for. I already can't wait for next season. No way in hell do the scousers defend their title...

 

[Dancfc]

Absolutely, Juve are about to sack a manager for winning the league and losing the cup final such is the one sided mess Serie A has become.
Bayern have 8 in a row, Juve will soon have 9 in a row. PSG 8 of the last 9, Barca or Real have won 16 or the last 17 (this season included). Celtic have is it 10 in a row?

The premier league has had 5 different winners in the last 10 seasons. There is no domination there.

In all honesty I think that's down to the mess clubs have made of it than anything else.

Chelsea and City especially have both squandered big chances to really stamp their authority all over the league.

 

[loki]

I'd expect them to likely get another title in the next few years but I suspect not next year, the short run into the next season will see their squad depth and luck with injuries tested a lot more. Players will start seeing big money options available elsewhere and so start looking for the wages they feel they deserve. If City are out of CL then even less likely next year for them. I think other teams being poor helped a lot and ourselves and Chelsea will push them more, and they might lose a lot more points vs big teams.
Who knows though, they could sell off some fringe, sell one of the stars for inflated money and make a few buys to improve the squad and those players can provide some more hunger for the team. They have a very solid core of key players who are excellent, maybe they could have another season where they don't lose many key players for any significant stretch again, instead of to the fringe replaceable ones.

Going back to the thread title, I don't expect dominance more for them to be in the top 2 to 3 for the next few years as primary contenders

 

[2ndTouch]

Going back to the thread title, I don't expect dominance more for them to be in the top 2 to 3 for the next few years as primary contenders

I agree. They'll be up there for as long as Klopp stays. I'd still probably bet my money on City for next season, assuming their CL ban will be upheld by the CAS.

 

[r0663664]

City will bounce back stronger as long as Pep stays and they invest in their squad. I think 1-2 key players of Liverpool might leave. Players will look out for their own interests, if PSG or Real comes knocking then Salah and Mane will leave. They helped Liverpool win the title in 30 years. We won't sniff a chance next, probably consolidate our top 4 position. Ole needs to spend wisely and signings must be spot on. Only then we could win the title in 3-4 years time. 1 FW, 1 RW, 1 CM and 1 CB will be enough to provide quality depth to the squad.

 

[Klopper76]

Technically you are correct as next season should still be soon enough for that group of players to be still in peak condition. However, to be pedantic about it, I’d argue that starting the re-build before it’s necessary is a much better strategy. Therefore, this summer should be the one where a few come in and trim the squad of some deadwood (Lovren, Clyne, Shaqiri etc.).

It'll have a positive effect on the incoming players and allow them more time to integrate before 2021/22 and also keep the current squad on their toes and nip any complacency in the bud. It’s what Ferguson was a master at and ensured United were competitive and able to withstand most challenges coming their way. When you’re at the top you’re there to be shot down and that’s the unique obstacle * will have to overcome next season.

I think we're keeping Shaqiri and my hope for Lovren is that he's sold and a younger CB is brought in as an understudy to what we have. I think Nico Williams will be the back up right back for TAA. There are some other issues like Milner being 60 and Lallana going. Our financial situation might rule out a big signing but we'll see.

I do agree about what you say about complacency though. That's what Klopp has to make sure, that this squad doesn't relax now that a league title is won. It says a lot about the Premier League that City were the first team to retain it in 10 years.

The biggest issue will be evolving our style of play. Teams always try to learn how to beat the best that's why Ferguson always evolved his team every few years. Teams have already started to try and out number us in the wide areas and we've been nullified a few times this season.

 

[cyberman]

Not long, its a team that are aging together. If they cant afford to make a signing this year then theres a lot of pressure to get it right next summer

 

[Coxy]

Not long, its a team that are aging together. If they cant afford to make a signing this year then theres a lot of pressure to get it right next summer

Now of their first 11 is over 30 - I wouldn’t describe them as ‘aging’ or close to expiring just yet..

 

[cyberman]

Now of their first 11 is over 30 - I wouldn’t describe them as ‘aging’ or close to expiring just yet..

Theyre aging together, a lot are are around 28, a year older than that next summer if they can afford to sign players then. It puts a lot of pressure on that window for them.
Sir Alex would sell Beckham and Ruud and bring in Ronaldo and Rooney. Or Sell Ince etc and build around 4 or 5 youth players. Even before he retired you saw him bring in Smaling and Jones. The team never aged together and he had sustained success
When sides start aging together it makes an unsuccessful window a disaster. You can play catch up very easily

 

[edgecutter]

Surprised that many here think Liverpool won't be able to sustain this consistency. They are way ahead of the rest of the league and unless we get 3 first teamers in, we won't challenge them.

 

[Random Task]

Theyre aging together, a lot are are around 28, a year older than that next summer if they can afford to sign players then. It puts a lot of pressure on that window for them.
Sir Alex would sell Beckham and Ruud and bring in Ronaldo and Rooney. Or Sell Ince etc and build around 4 or 5 youth players. Even before he retired you saw him bring in Smaling and Jones. The team never aged together and he had sustained success
When sides start aging together it makes an unsuccessful window a disaster. You can play catch up very easily

United fans know as well as anyone that replacing an aging squad is no trivial matter. Fergie left us with an aging squad and we're still paying the price for that to this day.

 

[DixieDean]

Surprised that many here think Liverpool won't be able to sustain this consistency. They are way ahead of the rest of the league and unless we get 3 first teamers in, we won't challenge them.

Maybe they might pick up injures to one or two major players. I know they never seem to get injured but you never know.

 

[Steve Bruce]

Across the last 2 seasons they have played 69 games and only lost 2, winning 59. They are on a pretty incredible run of league points right now. City only managed to keep up that kind of consistency for 2 seasons before it capitulated this year.

It all depends on who they sign and how well they manage to avoid injuries.

The determination to win it for the first time in 30 years will not be replicated.

I'm not saying they won't or can't win the league but I do believe their will be a drop off

 

[rcoobc]

The determination to win it for the first time in 30 years will not be replicated.

I'm not saying they won't or can't win the league but I do believe their will be a drop off

That's not what happened to us though (1993-2012)

 

[The Oracle]

Liverpool's dominance will last for as long as Utd let it

...in my opinion Klopp has Pep's and Mourinho's number, but he doesn't have Solskjaer's number.

If he ever does get the better of Solskjaer then you would hope Bayern would come in for Klopp.

As a side note, with dominance comes trophy count, and what I have noticed with the media, is that they will portray a team to suit their agenda... this is especially true of Sky Sports - who are now running with "Liverpool have won more trophies than any other English team, and are therefore England's most successful football club."

What Sky Sports fail to tell you, is that they have conveniently chalked off Charity/Community Shield wins

...yet they conveniently count Super Cup wins.

The Charity/Community Shield is a one off match between the winners of England's top two competitions (the top flight division and the FA Cup).

The Super Cup is a one off match between the winners of Europe's top two competitions (the European Cup and the Europa League).

If they're not going to count the Charity/Community Shield, then they shouldn't be counting the Super Cup either.

 

[Green_Red]

They have to start dominating before you can ask how long they're going to dominate for. One title in 30 years is a million miles away from dominating. Win it twice, then thrice and we can talk about dominating. Until then, nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Bondi77]

Well if Klopp can get the level of performance out of a Jordan Henderson and he has improved the overall play and consistency of players whom were already really good then who knows how long it will last for.
If he is given more funds and can get the likes of a Sancho and other top young talents then maybe he could go on to challenge Real Madrids Champions league tally.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Its hard to say, two years ago I would have said that City would be the one to dominate the premier league.

Liverpool base is young, every key player bar Henderson has at least 4 peak years ahead of them, the only way I can see them falling is if Klopp leaves, they seem really dependent on his system and all look as overachieving players who deliver more than they should.

Now saying this, the team thats closer to them is in a hard position at the moment, with the 2 year CL ban I cant imagine City spending as they did and historically Guardiola has never turned around a team, they usually go up up and when they go down he leaves for another team, I dont think itll be different with City.

Chelsea and us, we are at least 2 years away to.being on that level, and with Ole and Lampars I dont think we can get to it. We need better players and a better manager, the only way I can see us compiting is Liverpool going back to the 80-90 points per season. Theres no way Chelsea or us will be aiming at 100 points as Liverpool is right now.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

I’ll call them dominant when they win a double of some form but if Klopp continues to focus on the league ahead of cups then they’ll compete for years to come.

 

[always_hoping]

Liverpool have just made it into this list. Can describe it dominance if they manage to win 3 or 4 league titles in the next 4 years.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I doubt any team will dominate the league again. There will always be challengers, and competition will only increase rather than decrease with time. If this Newcastle takeover things goes through, they will spend their way up soon enough.

 

[Lee565]

with the current additions of ziyech and Werner, plus the potentially rumoured one of chillwell I think chelsea may push them next season and I dont think they will stop there either with just these 3 signings, they do seem to have a knack of winning the title every few years.

 

[Dante]

It's already over. Only lasted from August to March.

 

[TheReligion]

Now of their first 11 is over 30 - I wouldn’t describe them as ‘aging’ or close to expiring just yet..

Henderson is 30..

Firmino Salah Mane all 28

VVD 29.

They don't have a young side and have all of their key players in their peak right about now. Thats not to say they can't have a few more seasons at the top but they are already approaching a rebuild in a number of simultaneous positions which is rather difficult to navigate. I'm also not sure Klopp will stick around to rebuild a new team.

 

[TheReligion]

Quoted for fun.

There will be a rebuild needed for us but I don't think the age issue will hit us next season. Players like Alisson (27), Van Dijk (28), Mane (28 & Salah (28) aren't going to become rubbish or start dropping off just because they're one year closer to 30. If they were 30/31 already then I'd be concerned. I actually think we can put another title challenge together next season with what we have (maybe a new CB to replace Lovren and a midfielder on the cheap is needed). I think we're more likely to retain it than United are to win it the 20/21 season.

The real issue we'll have to deal with is how teams evolve to deal with the way we play. Teams always find ways to set up against the champions within a year or two. It's why it's so hard to retain it and why Ferguson was the master. Klopp will hopefully learn from his time at Dortmund and see that he needs to make changes (perhaps adding a creative spark in midfield).

One thing that encourages me is that he's evolved the way Liverpool play during his time at the club. We're a different side in terms of style of play compared to two years ago.

For me, 21/22 is where a rebuild will be needed.

I agree it won't matter next season. My concern if I were you is you have many players ageing together. Not only that they are all your key players. Henderson is 30, VVD 29 (in a few days) and Mane Firmino Salah all 28. It's a big job when the rebuild comes around and I don't think Klopp will stick around to do it. I imagine he'll get as much from this bunch as possible then look to move on. That's not to say you can't have a successful few seasons mind providing he can keep this bunch motivated and playing well.

Bar TAA you don't have any young players in your first team really whilst the likes of United and Chelsea are playing a bit of a longer game it seems.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I think they have one more year after this one, and then their cycle will come to an end. Hearing the likes of Lawrenson saying they are going to dominate for the next ten years is laughable.

 

[Dancfc]

Bar TAA you don't have any young players in your first team really whilst the likes of United and Chelsea are playing a bit of a longer game it seems.

That's the one big advantage of having two untouchable teams in the last 2-3 years, the option of fecking everything off for a quick title simply isn't there.

 

[Jetrooooo]

I really despise this Liverpool team. I never liked them anyway, but when they had Suarez, Gerrard, Sterling, Sturridge. They were at least some loveable losers with some character as Rodgers would say. Maybe its because they won something. But going back to the Riise, Carragher, Alonso, Kewell, Benitez days. At least there was something there. This squad is so devout of any personality. With that annoying "heavy metal" thundercnut as manager. Dude legit looks minutes from a meltdown(like im doing now) for years. But keeps winning somehow. This year they will luckily revert back to the norm and I can't wait too see those yellow teeth rant about referees. Don't even talk to me about Salah, everybody who likes that whiny cnut is a moron.

In short feck Liverpool and we're not going to end behind them in the league

 

[Pexbo]

They’re making the classic mistake of failing to strengthen while they are on top. I just don’t see them having the physical or mental energy to keep going at the pace they have been and when the rot sets in I expect it to get messy. If they can’t afford to strengthen after two hugely successful seasons, I can see their top players having reservations about renewing and they won’t have the money to persuade them otherwise.

 

[Bepi]

Point here is their current instalment and ownership being a smash-and-grab kind of club (one year at the highest peak followed by ten years in the wilderness) or willing to act as a consolidated star of the game (heritage, you know...). We all know the answer, don’t we? So the only way down is the natural conclusion of their footballing cycle, same as any other top club out there becoming complacent, not hungry anymore or incapable to cut ties with past-it heroes once their legs are done. I think they will play at the very top of the peak for another couple years without changing too much, then who knows.

 

[cyberman]

Theyre aging together. They night get anither year but all of a sudden most of their starting 11 are staring at 30 and it puts a lot of pressure on recruitment.
I wonder if Klopp cares about long term after hes gone.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

And some people think football is not cyclical, despite all the evidence that it is. I see lots on here saying that Liverpool and City will dominate for the next decade because of the distance between them and the rest. They won’t, and things can change very quickly.

My guess is another 2 years, Liverpool will be challenging, and then Utd and or Chelsea will step up, and another cycle begins.

5 different clubs have won the PL in the last 8 years. Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, City and Leicester. Things can and do change quickly.

 

[McGrathsipan]

They wont be runaway winners this year but they will be there or thereabouts.

 

[hmchan]

This Liverpool side is so complacent and lack of desire.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Favourites to win it again, unless City can make some quality signings.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Winning 1 league title in 30 years classes as dominance these days? Jesus Christ what are you on about?

We won it 8 times in 11 seasons between 1992 & 2003. That is dominance.

What Bayern, Juve, PSG & Celtic do is dominance. Liverpool have won it once ffs. Get a grip.