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Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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What does a DOF have to do with the Glazers in theory not wanting to pay up? It would make no difference.
Bit harsh, but yeah we're sort of imitating a big club without actually being one for the best part of 7 years now. Arsenal are another prime example.
Great ain’t itWe’ve spent shitloads in those 7 years though, just sadly on shit
Of course we can't spent 120m, that would eat too much into the Glazer dividends! We cannot expect our glorious overlords to forfeit their cut of the clubs money so instead we must sacrifice our transfer budget!
£90 million paid over 3 seasons.
£5 million after 50 appearances for the club.
£5 million after scoring 30 goals.
£8 million after 20 England appearances.
See it’s not hard Woodie.Just make the Add ons achievable.
£5 million after 50 appearances for the club.
£5 million after scoring 30 goals.
£8 million after 20 England appearances.
See it’s not hard Woodie.Just make the Add ons achievable.
I think it's somewhere in between, though. It's not "a few muppets going in meltdown", it's a fanbase of millions. If this deal falls through, and we don't splash similar cash to improve the rest of the squad, Woodie and the Glazers are probably very, very happy there's no fans at the stadium. Because unhappy fans vocally and visually protesting the suits and owners would be very bad for business, and should indeed influence their decision. If we can't afford it, we can't afford it. But good luck defending the interest rates, loan payments, dividends etc. at the same time.
Put yourselves in Dortmund shoes. You are a big European side who regularly reach CL playoffs. You have a well managed budget and one of the best football department in the business. You are pretty solid financially and will survive a season with no gate receipts. Will you sell your biggest star and the hottest prospect in the game, English at the wrong time (buyers market)? No, you demand his value (with corona discount). If the demand is not met, you’ll wait for another year.
Put yourself in the United shoes. You are having good times in terms of buying. Acquisitions of Bruno and VDB caliber for the prices quoted for very average EPL players. Cash is valued more than the players. Will you pay €120 M for a winger when you can buy 3 top players for that money? (Bear in mind that your biggest problem is depth). You’d want Sancho but would opt for 3 new players because 3 players are better than one.
The deal never happens
Put yourself in the United shoes. You are having good times in terms of buying. Acquisitions of Bruno and VDB caliber for the prices quoted for very average EPL players. Cash is valued more than the players. Will you pay €120 M for a winger when you can buy 3 top players for that money? (Bear in mind that your biggest problem is depth). You’d want Sancho but would opt for 3 new players because 3 players are better than one.
The deal never happens
Sancho won't be €120M next summer mate. It's likely to be a bidding war starting at €150M.
So there's no sense in United looking for a short term loan deal and trying again next year, that's just hogwash.
We don't know how severe the economic hardship is going to be the coming few years. A lot of clubs might go bust. Commercial deals are going to be lost. TV deals might be watered down. It is just a big risk which any financially responsible club is unlikely to take.
The brand is doing fine and always will. It’s a nice idea but fan disillusionment from club transfer policy is not an effective mechanism for change. Look at Newcastle. If we don’t sign anybody the fans will still keep buying merch, turning up at matches when they’re able to again, and if anything the club’s social media channels will be rammed with engagement.
We’ve spent a shit load on a load of shit!
you're not though. You'll be back in this thread within the next 48 hours telling us how it's not happening. You are basically trying a psychological trick on yourself to try and alleviate your own predicted level of disappointment should this transfer not happen. You are also taking a low-risk predictive stance where you can turn around later and say "see I told you it wasn't going to happen". Why is this low-risk? because if you are wrong then the joy and positivity you will feel (and everyone else will feel if we get Sancho) will make it easy for your wrong prediction to be hidden away and not be cared about by you or anyone else.
You are essentially trying to create your own win/win scenario.
Next patient please....
No thanks we want 108 million Cheers Zoric
The biggest problem is RW, it has been for about 3 seasons now. Sancho adds to the forward line depth anyway.
Also, what 3 players can we buy for 120m Euros?
If the club is feeling like that then they should have walked away a month ago and strengthened the squad instead with the Sancho money.
There is two explanations for not doing this.
1) We have no intention of spending any more money this summer.
2) We are still actively pursuing Sancho.
I believe it is the second option.
The club has had multiple chances to kill this saga dead in its tracks. But they haven’t. Stringing the fans along with a fake pursuit is just cruel. The Glazers/Woodward are businessmen, not sadists.
I think Corona takes the sting out the whole thing for United's leadership. If Dortmund ended their year on a €45m loss then god only knows what kind of losses United will report. If they sign one or two other players, wait for the annual report to come out and then tell the press: Look, with the losses we made and the uncertainty around our future it's just too big a commitment to spend €120m with a huge chunk of it upfront. Other areas of the squad needed to be addressed as well, etc.." maybe throw in a little sugar daddy jab at Chelsea in there to please the fans and the press will eat it, because it is actually a reasonable argument. If daddy just lost his job he might have to postpone that playstation he promised you till next christmas.
There is no way they’d have played it the way they have if that’s the case. They don’t get Sancho the narrative everywhere is they’ve failed Ole. If they were going to play the COVID card they could have done that two months ago instead of continually briefing he’s priority number one. It wasn’t “just a few muppets” at the stadium, fan pressure was growing quite a bit actually. No idea what your continual “world revolves around you” stuff is about either. Yet here you are a Dortmund fan on a United forum. Must revolve around us just a little bit.
Is he bad at calculations? That is 108M when we add those numbers up together
I believe Dortmund want the fee paid in its entirety rather than over several seasons or whatever, which Woodward refuses to accept for obvious reasons. Numerous reports on this transfer confirm that.
This feels unlikely, Dortmund dont have the time to sort out a replacement for Sancho now. Its understandable, 120M is a lot of money even in a regular season.
I hope we dont wait around for Sancho and get a RW this window. We've already wasted a year on him if you go by the papers.
I hope we dont wait around for Sancho and get a RW this window. We've already wasted a year on him if you go by the papers.
We are "the biggest club in the world" in the same way Budweiser is "the king of beers".
We have been an embarrassment since SAF's last game, 5-5, against fecking Albion.
I want to promote positive vibes
First time I have heard Stone & Cooper so downbeat on the situation,reckon this could be the end of the saga and he's staying unfortunately
Sad to hear that, hope it'll improve soon and this time for good. But you never know, the same might happen here. We've had a few situations like that, too, but fortunately they didn't escalate.
Dortmund doesnt want add ons.
All the briefings today would suggest that it is looking unlikely. I think we all know the issue is they want 120m guranteed and we want to do it based on incentives.
It's going to need a last minute change from Woodward. I hope we dont fecking sign someone like Brooks. All or nothing guys
It's going to need a last minute change from Woodward. I hope we dont fecking sign someone like Brooks. All or nothing guys
Fans at OT don't complain. They sang a song in Ed's direction once.
Why would his price go up when he has just a year left on his deal?
Sad how many people went into hysteria over us being reluctant to pay 120 million for a player who never showed any interest in playing for us
£108m in one hit
I'm not saying the world revolves around United, I think some people read every bit of information like it was aimed at them them. Like Simon Stone stating the obvious must clearly be a Dortmund briefing at you in particular, because your state of mind is so important to Woodward and the Glazers that it will clear the path for Sancho's signing. I don't know why United do what they do, or what they actually do and what they don't, since everything is based on the reports of journalists who profit from clicks. E.g. it could be that they draw out this Sancho story as a bargaining chip in other negotiations or because they think or thought Dortmund were bluffing, or because they think it looks bad to come up empty after semi-publicly pursuing him for so long, so they will wait until they have done some other business and released their financial report, so it's easier to sell to the press.
I was unfortunately at the game in January when we were beaten 2 nil by Burnley we were awful that night and the atmosphere in the stadium was really bad. I know this is tricky due to COVID but Sancho is a must buy. We need to be buying players for the 1st 11. And he is one.
We are only a few injuries away from trouble. I do not want to see the United I watched against Burnley.
We are only a few injuries away from trouble. I do not want to see the United I watched against Burnley.
As a famed prophet once said "daddy, daddy, daddy! Want, want, want!"
We want Sancho, we'll get Sancho.
His contract runs until Summer 2023.
Seems unlikely, the world is going to be in no better financial position next summer. If clubs are struggling to spend big this year, it would be a very be turn around for things be as you describe.
Sancho agreeing terms would suggest he wants to play for us, no?
It seems hypocritial - and is tbf - given that we wouldn't want one of our players to do it...but if he won't force a move, then it seems we have very little chance at this point of making a breakthrough.
It's been commonplace in almost every huge transfer over recent years. Ronaldo, Neymar, Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Van Dijk and Hazard all forced their moves through to varying degrees. If he's genuinely desperate to play here, he knows what to do.
If not, we'll likely have more options next summer with so many huge names looking likely to be on the move...and there might be one or two talents who take steps up too. Neres, Chiesa, ASM etc could have breakout seasons. Barca could go full Barca and decide to sell Trincao - as seemed possible at one point this summer. A lot of things can happen in a year.
It's been commonplace in almost every huge transfer over recent years. Ronaldo, Neymar, Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Van Dijk and Hazard all forced their moves through to varying degrees. If he's genuinely desperate to play here, he knows what to do.
If not, we'll likely have more options next summer with so many huge names looking likely to be on the move...and there might be one or two talents who take steps up too. Neres, Chiesa, ASM etc could have breakout seasons. Barca could go full Barca and decide to sell Trincao - as seemed possible at one point this summer. A lot of things can happen in a year.
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