RedCafe has become toxic as feck.

[Ish]

Yes, there was. I remember Cole getting terrible stick when he missed a sitter. This was on the old Man Utd Forum.

I remember the zombie football thread

but these things are still remembered, these days it’s just a free for all of shit slinging.
Guess it’s just a mix of where united are and the current internet trend of picking sides with no intention of changing your mind, only reinforcing your stance.

Yeah, I said it in my first post in this thread - as the more time passes with us being unsuccessful, the more the general mood and football opinions would be shaped and changed as well. That's without even thinking about the size of the forum (i dont have any stats, but i would guess the forum has also grown a lot over the last 2 decades?) and how that demographic is shaping the general opinion as well.

 

[Suv666]

Were you not around during LVG and Mourinho? This is vanilla compared to that

 

[Ish]

Classic.

Honestly, I can remember people chanting 4-4-2 at the dugout and actively demanding Carlos Quieroz be booted out of the club back in 2006 time. Not just on the internet. In person, at games. And that was having gone one, single, season without winning a trophy.

I actually think, all things considered, United fans have been pretty measured in their responses to the past seven years.

We might have stewed and ranted but compare our muted reaction to Sporting fans launching a full frontal assault on their training ground, attacking players, attacking the club President etc.

It could be worse, we could be waiving our green and gold hankies, and do a 3-peat!

But yeah, all those things would have a big impact on the mood and general opinion - how well United are doing, the size/demographic of the forum etc.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

I agree it's not as bad as other places but the level seems to be rising, and I mean that outside (or before) Spurs trounced us.

Fans are rightly aggrieved about performances, results and even the transfer window, but the disgusting way people talk about the manager, players and anyone else in the firing line is way over the top for me.

You are probably right though. How quickly things can change because I remember people being so positive this summer. Although it feels like not getting Sancho has increased the frustration a lot.
Feels like everyone gets judged harshly on the last game. Like selling Maguire post and all the attacks on Pogba.
Lindelöf was the target before, but now it moved.

 

[RUCK4444]

Ooooh, I don't like fans criticising the manager or the players despite our once great club staring in the abyss after getting comprehensively thumped 3 Premier League games in a row. Give over. If you expect things to all be hunky dory after that, then maybe it's not the forum for you.

Or ya know, you could try and not let your own hurt feelings hinder other peoples experience of the forum. Children trying to shout the loudest neither helps the situation nor improves the forum experience.

 

[MileStolar]

Insert astronauts meme "Always has been*

 

[youngrell]

You are probably right though. How quickly things can change because I remember people being so positive this summer. Although it feels like not getting Sancho has increased the frustration a lot.
Feels like everyone gets judged harshly on the last game. Like selling Maguire post and all the attacks on Pogba.
Lindelöf was the target before, but now it moved.

Yes, 3 dismal league performances and that magnificent run post lockdown has completely vanished from people's minds.

In reality, it takes a lot less than these 3 performances to bring the mob out, though. 1 loss, even if it wasn't deserved, is enough for some to grab the pitch forks.

 

[Class of 63]

Tottenham showing us our backside at the weekend may well be the best thing that happens to United this season, but 99% will disagree, therein lies the problem.

 

[Superden]

opinions are now facts. that's a fact.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

The few months of Moyes was mad craic in here, I got my name changed for moaning about him.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I don't even read the forum any more. Or reply to threads like this.

Yes you do

 

[MancFanFromManc]

Venting on our clubs footy forum is as good a place as any. My wife doesn't like it when I kick her cat (joke!!). Personally I always tried to be positive with my posts, but leaving all our transfer dealings til the last minute had me raging. I think in the main the majority of United fans (more so of a certain age) are pretty patient when it comes to us getting back to winning ways. It makes us appreciate all Fergie did for us all the more. But... after the way we finished last season optimism was really high. We had a decent set of opening fixtures from which we could build confidence and our front 3 (and indeed first 11) could batter anyone. So to find ourselves floundering our way through the first few games is eye gougingly frustrating. Its no surprise people take to the RedCafe to let off steam.

 

[Green_Red]

Its Therapy

The world is fecked!

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Yes, 3 dismal league performances and that magnificent run post lockdown has completely vanished from people's minds.

In reality, it takes a lot less than these 3 performances to bring the mob out, though. 1 loss, even if it wasn't deserved, is enough for some to grab the pitch forks.

I still can't understand how we look so poorly now. It feels like a different team.
Fitness might be a small part, but we don't run and work together well as a unit at all.
Yet it is largely the same players.
I have never thought Ole was the right man for us long term. Although he is better than this with his management.
I wonder if things behind the scenes are worse than we think. Has he lost part of the squad?

 

[Enfant terrible]

I tend to choose topics I want to participate in but often find myself in the wrong kinds of threads ussualy defending some player or coach or calling out people for obvious bs threads/opinions.

I get where all the negativity is coming from. Inability to change the dreadful reality that surrounds us can easily trigger depression, anxiety and various other negative emotions. Covid and it's economic and health impacts are serious triggers for most of us.

An internet forum is a relatively safe place to release your frustration but I think that it's counterproductive.

I must admit that I still enjoy the forum, but, as I said, I choose topics I participate in.

 

[PoTMS]

The few months of Moyes was mad craic in here, I got my name changed for moaning about him.

What was your name before? It feels like you've always been @KiD MoYeS.

 

[Crustanoid]

As others have said, if the ownership of the club wasn’t in such a dire situation, half of the toxicity wouldn’t be there. It is only going to get worse in fact. The internet might be a tiny bit of the issue but there are opinionated screaming fans in every type of fandom. This is not a Redcafe problem. It is a Glazer problem which will continue to get worse

 

[KiD MoYeS]

What was your name before? It feels like you've always been @KiD MoYeS.

I was reading a Cantona biography when I joined so Kid Canto.

 

[Bestietom]

I still can't understand how we look so poorly now. It feels like a different team.
Fitness might be a small part, but we don't run and work together well as a unit at all.
Yet it is largely the same players.
I have never thought Ole was the right man for us long term. Although he is better than this with his management.
I wonder if things behind the scenes are worse than we think. Has he lost part of the squad?

Same players who beat City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs a few months ago.

 

[Reapersoul20]

It has become RAWK a decade ago in here

Edit: With less fanfiction.

 

[westmeath]

Can’t say I agree with the OP. If we can’t vent here among our own then where can we do it.

It’s pretty much accepted that our club has multiple problems at the moment so it’s natural to expect a lot more complaining.

I remember the anti SAF stuff and I posted a few anti SAF posts shortly after I joined in 2006. In fact, I think my frustration with SAF (after three years with no title) was a big factor in me signing up. Just goes to show that our opinions are all wrong most of the time.

 

[Denis79]

When the Ad hominem argumentations stop I'm sure the forum will be a lot better. At the moment some posters choose to attack the person instead of the argument, instantly derailing any possible discussion. This in turn makes that person fortify his position even more, it becomes personal and creates a even wider divide in the fanbase.

Then we have the 'smarter' posters who have picked this up and use it for their own amusement, trolling reactions from others that easily go on a rant. It is very entertaining I admit but it can also derail a discussion at times.

 

[Tiber]

Won't someone please think of the Glazers?

 

[sugar_kane]

It has become RAWK a decade ago in here

Edit: With less fanfiction.

....or poetry

I find the forum almost impossible to enjoy nowadays as every thread gets derailed by anger and negativity

Honestly think it's a case of there being too many users these days, the newbie system was relaxed a couple of years ago I seem to recall and things got worse from then on to the point where it's like a marginally less insane Twitter.

It's great to hear all sides but it's impossible to keep up with and often it's just the same shit repeated over and over again in every thread, it's just a bit heavy going.

 

[Foxbatt]

I wonder what happened to Moyesforpresident?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Not too sure where to put this, but I enjoyed coming to this place over the years and only lately have started to post more.

Hmm.. can't quite.. put a finger.. on it.

 

[#07]

It has become RAWK a decade ago in here

Edit: With less fanfiction.

And poems. Don't forget the poems.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

I wonder what happened to Moyesforpresident?

Joined West Hams forum?

 

[meamth]

The only solution for this is Redcafe to create new subforum for knee jerk threads.

 

[johanovic]

Are we supposed to stand by while the club we proably all love is being taken apart by the Glazer family? The decline in management at this club+owners sucking money out of it has made it a shitshow. I´ve supported United since Ron Atkinson was the manager and will continue to do so. But being able to drag the brand Man Utd this far down the drain is just astounding. Woodward and co are clueless and need to be replaced, of course I would hope the "right" owner comes along and buy´s the club but I´m not counting on that. United have spent a lot of money on players since Fergie left but how many of thoses have been successful? Look yourselfs on the transfer history since 2013 and the plain truth is we have a couple of Ok ones in Martial,Fernandes,Bissaka but the rest of them can hardly be decribed other than flops or underperforming at best. We have spent shitload of money but done that like fecking amateurs. Compare that to Liverpool,Bayern and other clubs and it´s astounding to see the difference in the succes rate of players they signed vs ours. But those thinking that not critising the club´s and pretending we are moving forward must live in a fantasy world. The stupidity of the owners not doing this better is baffling as it´s clear that a highly successful United would bring the bloody owners more money than this model....this has got to be starting to hurt the club in terms of earnings and sadly you are seeing other team jerseys on the back of young kids more often...But despite critizing the way the club is run I will always continue to be a United supporter.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yup, you have these two groups of stauch Ole in/Ole out posters who constantly throw shit at each other and skew stats to suit their agendas. Both offer zero nuance or perspective and it makes reading Ole threads an arduous task.

 

[RedDevil@84]

A lot of the toxicity just originates from a sect of our fans having a cult like devotion to whoever our manager is. This was there under Moyes, Van Gaal and especially under Mourinho too.

Whenever the cult leader is under any type of pressure, the sect will burn down the entire club to deflect attention away from him.

We had a very small set of caf who were supportive of Jose and bulk of people were all over the press conference thread and other threads wanting Jose to be kicked off, because he said that and not this. Some wanted him gone after 1st season.
And I don't even see an Ole in cult here. While there are many fans who believe he is well out of his depth and Poch coming here will magically set everything alright

 

[RedDevil@84]

RedCafe is in danger of becoming a toxic place to be for Man Utd fans and we need to get back to how it used to be. A fun place to discuss, everything Man Utd related.

The club is being run like a circus. It is chaotic in there.
Hence the fanbase is also chaotic. Not everyone can pretend "All is well" when things are obviously not well.

 

[Robbie Boy]

For me, the worst offenders on here are the patronising posters who get on their moral high horse at the mere sight of any Ole critique. Instead of debating, they resort to put downs and condescending rubbish. Their lack of self awareness towards the perceived 'toxicity' is mind boggling or just plain cognitive dissonance.

 

[RedDevil@84]

For me, the worst offenders on here are the patronising posters who get on their moral high horse at the mere sight of any Ole critique. Instead of debating, they resort to put downs and condescending rubbish. Their lack of self awareness towards the perceived 'toxicity' is mind boggling or just plain cognitive dissonance.

Pretty much the same goes for Woodward critique or Glazer critique. Immediately a bunch of posters are on moral high horse talking about money was there and everything was there, its only the manager that is the problem. Or worse, how the fans complaining about Woodward/Glazers are plastic fans and not "real" fans like them

 

[Robbie Boy]

Pretty much the same goes for Woodward critique or Glazer critique. Immediately a bunch of posters are on moral high horse talking about money was there and everything was there, its only the manager that is the problem. Or worse, how the fans complaining about Woodward/Glazers are plastic fans and not "real" fans like them

Unfortunately, some can't debate the topic at hand and need to realise that everything isn't mutually exclusive. For example: I can say Ole isn't doing a great job. That doesn't mean I think the Board sufficiently backed him and it's plausible that I think that both are doing a bad job. But it doesn't mean I need to mention it in a thread on Ole.

 

[RedNed77]

Yup, you have these two groups of stauch Ole in/Ole out posters who constantly throw shit at each other and skew stats to suit their agendas. Both offer zero nuance or perspective and it makes reading Ole threads an arduous task.

I think you've touched on something there. Maybe rather than allowing a proliferation of Ole threads which all turn into an in/out shit flinging fest, as they appear the mods could just merge them into one Perfomance thread for him which I could just put on ignore.

Edit: same for Woodward.

 

[prateik]

If venting on the caf made any difference or had an impact, I would be all for it..

It doesnt.

The caf has become like those fake manufactured "rant" videos on youtube where the whole point is people logging in to should and abuse.
There is no fun.. no discussion. its just angry.

 

[el3mel]

Unbelievable. You are the same poster who posted the thread about our fan base being toxic on Sunday because they dare to asl for sacking:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/for-all-the-ole-iners.457941/

3 days later and you post another thread about exactly the same thing. 2 threads about exactly the same thing in 3 days. Fecking hell.

Just leave the forum.

 

[youngrell]

I still can't understand how we look so poorly now. It feels like a different team.
Fitness might be a small part, but we don't run and work together well as a unit at all.
Yet it is largely the same players.
I have never thought Ole was the right man for us long term. Although he is better than this with his management.
I wonder if things behind the scenes are worse than we think. Has he lost part of the squad?

I think we underestimate the fine margins of what it takes to perform at this level. You see when a team wins the league or has secured their position in the league by avoiding relegation, they drop mentally a couple of % and they suddenly look far easier to beat. I think if you're not close to 100% and your opponents are, the game gets very tough at the top.

You might be right about losing some of the squad, though. Very few players outside the fist XI got a look in for the last 10 games or so last season, it probably leaves a bad taste, particularly for players such as Fred who worked his ass off all season and played really well, only to be cast aside. I am a fan of Pogba but it's quite clear he shouldn't be playing right now, he is one of the players who suffers the most when not on it 100%.