Definitely the latter IMO. Vaccinations are already a common VISA requirement.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I'd be perfectly happy with that. All the conspiracy nutters can go even crazier with their theories while I will be able to travel wherever I like. That'd be awesome.
I’d be interested in the Venn diagram that displayed anti-vaxxers against routine global travellers.
Wibble? How close are we to a vaccine? i heard we have a couple in stage 3 testing..... How long would a stage 3 test last for before rolling it out to the masses?
Pogue is more cautious and he is right that vaccines are a complex things and don't always make it to market when phase 3 testing fails or shows a vaccine isn't worth the cost of taking to matket e g. a vaccine for a non-fatal infection where the effectiveness is low, even if enough to pass minimum regulatory standards.I swear I have reached the point in this thread when I know who the poster is without checking the username
Now for Pogue to reply to this and state that we are all fecked.
Anyways, thanks for your posts, Wibble, you are bringing some much-needed positivity into this. I mean it.
I'm largely playing a probability game knowing the number of vaccines in development means we are very likely to get multiple ones even if some aren't as effective as we would like and others fail.
I just hope we don't have a high profile failure first as moral isn't great in many countries and a failure would be a huge mental blow even, if later vaccines succeed.
Yeah I thought it seemed old-fashioned looking! Couldn't see the source. Cheers.
From what I've read the two most advanced would be ready for licencing for emergency approval in the US in late November as you need at least 2 months after a vaccine is administered to check for side effects. So they can still fail and I'm only going from the mainstream press reports which sometimes aren't that accurate.
I don't know what emergency approval means and what the time frame for distribution in various countries would be - to complicate things some countries will have agreements for one or both of the two vaccines nearing the end of phase 3.
For example, Australia has agreement to make the Oxford vaccine and our own UQ one that is much further off potential final approval but not the Pfizer one as far as I know.
Does anyone actually believe China's reporting?
cool, thanks for the info - A confirmed vaccines would be the best xmas prezzie ever!
It really would.
That will be a massive problem for the EU though surely with freedom of movement.
Ah well that's probably not going to be such a high proportion. Good point.
So let's say a vaccine is made, how long after its available will stuff go back to "normal" ?
That isn't that simple a question I suspect especially as manufacture, distribution and administration could take some time given how many people there are in the world.
If we went into Christmas 2021/22 with a world well on the way back to something like normality I think that would be a major victory
My guess would be 2 years but I doubt we will see a return to the old normal.
Maybe, but I'm talking about Italy here. It was everywhere before we even knew it had left China. Nobody will be caught out like that again, or at least they shouldn't be. We can all see it coming now.
Surely, once those deemed to be at high risk have been vaccinated we can be back to normal, no? For everyone else its just another illness, without the need for hospitals and so on???
Thought you were talking about BoJo et al.
I certainly dont.
Of course we will return to a normal.
We might have to consider the idea of hand hygiene more and be much more aware of our surroundings.
Hopefully the efficiencies we have developed last and the world takes what ever learning we can from this.
Not for everyone it isn't. But I think vaccination of high risk people will come first but I think it may take far more than that to return fully to normal sadly.
I think the roll out of the vaccine and its impact will take longer than some might think. The logisitics of it are going to be somewhat complicated. This is in our local newspaper here today but some of whats written in this can be broadly applied elsewhere. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-b...-vaccine-roll-out/P7HIVKGYOGVMOMI6XLWK3DIUOU/
They went crazy with their lockdowns when they first realized it was bad..
We havent seen anything since.. There is no way they are locking down whole cities with the word not getting out..
And they are smart enough to know leaving it unchecked means it can get out of hand pretty quickly..
There is no reason to doubt that China have it under control. Unless you love a conspiracy.
Oh no. The UK couldn't see it if it were a freight train coming towards them.
The concentrated efforts will certainly speed up the process. To think in 12 months we could be on the way back to life is good.
I really think putting an end to this in sight will help people.
This made me giggle far too much.
I am skeptical that we will see a return to the freedom of travel and ease of movement we have been enjoying for the last 40 years. Airlines have been battered by this, the travel industry has been routed. Going forward portions of the former travelling population will be more conservative, travel insurance will be more complicated, all borders will open again but with a variety of restrictions. There will no doubt be discounted airfares for example to try and lure the travelling public back but those can only last for a short time before the reality of making air travel between countries viable. The cost of flying around the world I think will increase and with that there will be fewer people travelling. I just dont see a return to the normal we got used to.
I agree and why I really hope a vaccine gets approved before one fails - world moral really needs it
Interesting to read in this link about the percentages of people who will be willing to take the vaccine. I would initially have been against being vaccinated, but they can inject me with whatever they want right now, i just want to go back to normal.
I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread about the consequences of choosing against having the vaccine - no travel etc. I think things like that would say more people to be willing!
While I have been proven to be laughably incompetent when it comes to medical stuff and am therefore refraining from making any further guesses, I must say that I think that most people would rather have their life expectancy cut by 10-15 years than live in a way resembling the way they currently do for the rest of their lives.
Here here
10-15 years? I wouldn't trade 10-15 months.
Luckily we almost certainly won't have to live like we are of course.
Speak for yourself! Wash your hands a bit more than normal and dont go out as much? Its hardly World War 3.
I think maybe the situation Im experiencing has me lacking in the experience others are having to deal with elsewhere. Hopefully I am wrong with what Im expecting going forward.
So you would actually rather live to, say, 86 but be unable to go to a cinema, attend public events or a wedding than live freely to 85? Really?
Yes. Not that that is the choice where I live as those things are all allowed (or will be soon).
You only have to look at the turnover of businesses that sell products that collectively considerably shorten the lives of our populace to see that people would prefer an early death over living a subjectively "worse" life. The alcohol industry, the fast food industry, the tobacco industry, hell even the automotive industry; the list goes on.
You could also point to the (lack of) worldwide response to the best part of half a million flu deaths per year.
Given your willingness to sacrifice the enjoyment of life to moderately increase your life expectancy you must be the healthiest person alive.
This was actually the point I was going to make. And in this case, the difference in quality of life is absolute unless you are a shut-in
Why?
If there was a guarantee that this thing wasn’t going anywhere, we’d change society.
It would be better.
The only conclusion I can reach is that you'd have to have a miserable life to begin with if you'd be comfortable living this way perpetually in order to merely survive another 10 months.