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Yes but we still had a job to do, a very difficult job and we still did it.We only got in the top 4 because Leicester bottled it in my opinion
Yes but we still had a job to do, a very difficult job and we still did it.We only got in the top 4 because Leicester bottled it in my opinion
But let’s go with OleSo this is where we're at:
Max Allegri: Won trophies, but don't want because his football isn't entertaining and he's pragmatic.
Mauricio Pochettino: Plays entertaining football but hasn't won trophies so don't want.
Get a fecking grip.
It was arranged before that fixture so yes, I expect so mate
At this point I hope we hire him just to shut you up
I'm not really sure he does either, we bemoan that we depend on individual brilliance to win our games, but I'm pretty sure that's what Kane, Son and Alli (for one season) did for Poch.Does he though.
Maybe I'm harsh on his football because I find him as a bloke just completely uncharismatic and boring.
amadaues could well be Poch!Disappointed that Amadaeus wasn't with him in the studio
Disappointed that Amadaeus wasn't with him in the studio
https://www.goal.com/en-ie/amp/news...d-red-devils-crazy-/6cb0l4ouw9y41byr0p01z7lfd
Yes, but not the ones who are good enough to win titles. Such ones would only come to clubs where winning titles are the first priority. Ours simply is money.
For Chelsea their top priority was and always has been football, to win titles. I don't mind changing manager. But it would be the same for the last seven years. Rinse, repeat. So I was surprised at the fact there is still people who believe just changing managers will somehow magically make us come back to our glorious days. We need much much more than just a new manager to do so. I don't think I'm naive, such people are.
Btw do you realise how low was Rafa's career when he came to Newcastle? do you know where he's working now? China mate.
Clubs sure pick managers. But managers, they pick club too. Especially good ones.
If not, he is running a damn fine campaign. Backed by science.amadaues could well be Poch!
Not his problem that he decided in spend it on Lindelof or Pogba or Lukaku. Yes, he was not backed in one summer but you can't blame him for not giving a CB because he already had that the previous year. You should be willing to work with what you have. Not everyone gets what they want.Delusional. Ed Woodward went against Jose's plans and ideas and that upset him and led to the fallout.
Why employ Mourinho if you don't him to do it his way?
It was all on Woodward. He's the biggest problem at this club and if you haven't seen that in 7 years you're in denial.
If we were to judge Poch on trophy accumulation, or lack of in this case, we'd be doing a severe disservice to what he accomplished with Spurs. Breaking into and cementing your club as a permanent fixture in the top-four elite is equally as impressive as a winning a league title. Poch not only achieved that with Spurs but he did so on a limited budget.So this is where we're at:
Max Allegri: Won trophies, but don't want because his football isn't entertaining and he's pragmatic.
Mauricio Pochettino: Plays entertaining football but hasn't won trophies so don't want.
Get a fecking grip.
We didn't come 4th though, if leicester hadn't bottled it, even then we would be in the champions league.We only got in the top 4 because Leicester bottled it in my opinion
If not, he is running a damn fine campaign. Backed by science.
Given the lack of movement ever on hiring a DoF, it's likely a moot point.Do the people who want Poch also want a director of football?
That was one of the reasons he fell out with spurs, he felt he had no control over the players he had in the squad, and there was the squabble over whether he was the manager or head coach.
So you bring him in, there is no DOF and you appoint one next year or the year after? You undermine him and piss him off and within two years you back looking for another manager.
Well the press doesn't know everything, they only know when someone inside tell them. And I wouldn't call Klopp a liar. Even if he was surely Ed could not have kept his mouth shut.Yes, an article written in 2017 when he is Liverpool manager. Its like Wenger when he comes out and says "I could have signed x,y,z". Whenever United are after someone, it is written about there and then.
Show me an article in 2013/14 showing we approached Klopp.
This is something different you are talking about now. I agree with you in terms of changing manager will make 0 difference under the current board. Like you say its the same rinse, repeat.
However; what I have realised is everyone is so money driven, they would not say no to this job, whoever is in charge because it holds so much value.
Let me give you an example. All these ex players who have criticised the board, if they got offered the job, they would no say no because the job of Manutd manager is special.
Agreed, if a very good manager had the chance of Bayern/ City / Liverpool who have a project they will chose them over United because of the lack of project but if a manager is out of a job and Manutd approach them, its a yes.
That is the reason we got Jose and LVG, managers out of a job.
Isn't this slight revisionism though? They've not finished lower than 6th in 10 years.If we were to judge Poch on trophy accumulation, or lack of in this case, we'd be doing a severe disservice to what he accomplished with Spurs. Breaking into and cementing your club as a permanent fixture in the top-four elite is equally as impressive as a winning a league title. Poch not only achieved that with Spurs but he did so on a limited budget.
As a club, Spurs were not associated with winning trophies year in year out. It was only during and after Poch's tenure did that ever become a thing, which only adds weight to his achievements.
The only mistake he made at Spurs was denying Madrid when they came in for him a couple of years back, choosing to remain at Spurs to win that elusive trophy. He got to the CL final that year, only to be let down by his team at the last hurdle.
He deserves his chance at a big club who's prepared to invest in him and his team.
Have to agree here.Do I think Poch could be a success at this club in different circumstances? Yes!
Do I think he will be a success working under Woodward like the previous 4 managers have? Absolutely unequivocally not!
What in the world would make a United fan root for this??It's like all the fans put all their hope and faith in a new manager and immediately forget the root of the problem which is harming our previous managers, Ed Woodward.
I really hope Jose Mourinho takes Spurs all the way this season. It would be the best thing to happen to Spurs for decades obviously but it will also be a great thing for this club too as it will make Ed Woodward look an even bigger fool.
No we would have been 5th if Leicester had have beat usWe didn't come 4th though, if leicester hadn't bottled it, even then we would be in the champions league.
Well we're clearly not in the running so who do you prefer? It's Spurs or Leicester for me. Or do you want the scousers or city winning another?What in the world would make a United fan root for this??
I despise Woodward as much as the next guy but cheering on a rival to somehow spite him, it won't, sounds ridiculous
Imagine having a pop at our manager over something that didn't even happen? Jesus wept. Leicester did have the chance and blew it. We beat them home and away.No we would have been 5th if Leicester had have beat us
He was sacked after 5 very good years. I honestly don't know from when did you bring "not good enough for Spurs" thing that you consistently keep mentioning. Even complaints about Woodward don't make sense considering Poch used to work under even more tighter budgets and worse targets in the market.I love how football fans like to change history. Roll back about 12 to 13 months and loads of Spurs fans were calling for Poch's head. They just had a really a poor start to the PL and were getting embarrassed in the CL. Bayern scored 7 on their own patch.
Not good enough for Spurs and not trusted to be the man to finally win them a trophy but he's good enough for us which is a much much tougher job???
Rather stick with Ole.
We aren't getting a DoF, period.Do the people who want Poch also want a director of football?
That was one of the reasons he fell out with spurs, he felt he had no control over the players he had in the squad, and there was the squabble over whether he was the manager or head coach.
So you bring him in, there is no DOF and you appoint one next year or the year after? You undermine him and piss him off and within two years you back looking for another manager.
Everton, Leicester couldn't care less really. Just can't see picture getting to a point where actively hoping for a league rival to win anything just to make the club look bad makes any sense.Well we're clearly not in the running so who do you prefer? It's Spurs or Leicester for me. Or do you want the scousers or city winning another?
I don't understand this argument. Does Woodward pick the squad? dictate our tactics? train our side? Motivate the players? Make substitutions? Of course he doesn't. What he does do is supply the manager (every manager) a shit load of money.Do I think Poch could be a success at this club in different circumstances? Yes!
Do I think he will be a success working under Woodward like the previous 4 managers have? Absolutely unequivocally not!
The fact that there is only a handful of clubs that will pay big money to managers. Barca, Bayern, City, Real, Juve are the big players really.Well the press doesn't know everything, they only know when someone inside tell them. And I wouldn't call Klopp a liar. Even if he was surely Ed could not have kept his mouth shut.
1st bold part: not those managers mate. Money surely is important to them, but football is all what matters to such ones. And titles, glory, fame. They're already very rich by then.
2nd bold part: if a big manager is out of job for a while and not wanted by any of those big clubs. I'd suggest we should stay away from those.
Didn't Poch go for over a year without strengthening the squad. He was always destined to hit the wall at some point and the CL final loss was the straw that broke the camels back.Several good years and achieved what? Qualified for the CL? Ole did that in his first full season in charge and he's not good enough for you all either.
Fair enough getting rid of Ole if there's somebody world class waiting in the wings. Is Poch that man though? Spurs didnt think he was and went for Jose of all people. That should speak volumes that they went for Jose.
I honestly can't believe our fanbase at times. They will throw every manager under the bus, even a former club legend, but not Ed Woodward for some bizarre reason. Fans like you deserve the Glazers and Ed Woodward.I don't understand this argument. Does Woodward pick the squad? dictate our tactics? train our side? Motivate the players? Make substitutions? Of course he doesn't. What he does do is supply the manager (every manager) a shit load of money.
If these managers haven't been able to make it work then maybe they weren't good enough or the right fit for us in the first place.
I think he's a good coach and could do well at the club but under much different circumstances. Poch working under Judge n Woodward will go the exact same way it always does. Until we get rid of the real issue at the club I honestly don't think it matters all that much who the coach is.Didn't Poch go for over a year without strengthening the squad. He was always destined to hit the wall at some point and the CL final loss was the straw that broke the camels back.
He made them a consistent CL side and gave them stability which we haven't achieved yet since Fergie. I too have doubts about him but we need to be realistic about where we are.
What makes me confident!Yet this place screamed that the Glazers weren't backing Ole when we had a sub-par summer transfer window.
What makes you so confident that we would give Poch the money when we seemingly were tight with the money with a club legend in Ole. If they won't give Ole the money, why would they give Poch. Come on now.....
There's no getting rid of the real issue. Glazers are the owners and they aren't going anywhere. The Glazers would have sacked Ed long ago if they didn't think he was doing a good job for them. What then do you propose we do when we are stuck with the real issues at the club? Are we fecked for as long as the Glazers are alive?I think he's a good coach and could do well at the club but under much different circumstances. Poch working under Judge n Woodward will go the exact same way it always does. Until we get rid of the real issue at the club I honestly don't think it matters all that much who the coach is.
As long as they run the club and leave Ed in charge of the day to day then sadly I think we are basically, yeah. Might win the league cup or FA cup every now and then.There's no getting rid of the real issue. Glazers are the owners and they aren't going anywhere. The Glazers would have sacked Ed long ago if they didn't think he was doing a good job for them. What then do you propose we do when we are stuck with the real issues at the club? Are we fecked for as long as the Glazers are alive?
You can call whatever you want, but for me, Spurs only became a genuine top-four club after Poch took charge.Isn't this slight revisionism though? They've not finished lower than 6th in 10 years.
The biggest mistake for me is him bottling the Leicester season, he had a far better squad than Leicester had and didn't quite do it. The CL final was impressive, but other than that, it's a bit overblown what he's done at Spurs.
"tight with the money" ?!Yet this place screamed that the Glazers weren't backing Ole when we had a sub-par summer transfer window.
What makes you so confident that we would give Poch the money when we seemingly were tight with the money with a club legend in Ole. If they won't give Ole the money, why would they give Poch. Come on now.....
This is where I'm struggling. I can't really tell. You can level the same arguments with Ole if you want to shift it to the players, so how is Poch going to change that with the players we don't really believe in right now.You can call whatever you want, but for me, Spurs only became a genuine top-four club after Poch took charge.
Breaking into a well-established top-five consisting of the rich and powerful United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool was, at the time, considered to be a near-impossible task without oil money backing you, but Poch proved otherwise.
No other manager of a club has come close to breaking that barrier in the PL era, some may have finished in the top-four, but none managed to cement themselves as permanent members of it besides Spurs. That must count for something.
Also, Spurs often failed at the last hurdle under Poch. The question is, do you attribute the majority of the fault on Poch' tactics or the players bottling it on the day?
Top 4 looks pretty more nailed on for Poch if you look at his record st Spurs who many class as a nearly club.Every manager is a gamble you are right. But for me Pochettino isn't that much of a gamble i think he would keep in the top 4 on a consistent basis but not much more.
I think we should stick with Ole and see where it leads in 2-3 years
Before this season began, we were in a great position to at least challenge (partially) the title if perhaps not winning it. We were one of the best teams in the league in the second half of last season points-wise, second only to a Liverpool side who were having the best season in the clubs history.For me it's about perspective. We simply aren't in a position to challenge, struggling for top 4 if I'm honest on current form.