MNF with Pochettino

[Random Task]

This is where I'm struggling. I can't really tell. You can level the same arguments with Ole if you want to shift it to the players, so how is Poch going to change that with the players we don't really believe in right now.

That's true.

I think it's a comination of the two where United are concerned; the players and the manager sharing an equal portion of the blame for various reasons. But we haven't challenged for the league or CL title at any point post-Fergie so it's difficult to say.

Not sure about Poch and Spurs, but if his tactics were good enough to get them in a position to challenge for titles and trophies in general, I seen no reason why they wouldn't be good enough to carry them all the way.

 

[Castia]

Not his problem that he decided in spend it on Lindelof or Pogba or Lukaku. Yes, he was not backed in one summer but you can't blame him for not giving a CB because he already had that the previous year. You should be willing to work with what you have. Not everyone gets what they want.

Just come of that delusional side that every manager needs a strong backing.

He also bought Bailey didn’t he? So he already had 2 new cb’s costing around 70m

 

[Strelok]

The fact that there is only a handful of clubs that will pay big money to managers. Barca, Bayern, City, Real, Juve are the big players really.

After that, the English clubs come in and managers know United, Chelsea and City will spend money so they can get certain players.

Poch and Allegri have been out of a job for a while now and they are the fan favourites?

We should keep in mind that unlike us, all of those clubs are run with serious football people. So if they all don't bother to approach an out of job big manager then there should be some reason behind. They should know much more about the football world than us common folks I think.

There's no getting rid of the real issue. Glazers are the owners and they aren't going anywhere. The Glazers would have sacked Ed long ago if they didn't think he was doing a good job for them. What then do you propose we do when we are stuck with the real issues at the club? Are we fecked for as long as the Glazers are alive?

I've accepted that we'd never win anything big again under those scumbags. Unless there'd be some bloody miracle. Like all the title contenders suddenly turn shite for a season. Or we strike gold, got someone better than SAF. Because imo even SAF would not survive three years under those current circumstances.

So yes, we're fecked mate. The sooner you accept that the better for your mental health.

 

[mitchmouse]

Do you not care about the style we play at all? Allegri would be a horrible choice.

How the hell do you know what he'd do with United? What I do now is we are playing horribly at the moment and losing. Poch has very little pedigree to make me think he can change that. A strong boss can get what he wants from the idiots on the board

 

[mitchmouse]

I see where you are coming from, but then again LVG and Mourinho both fit that criteria. While I would definitely have Allegri over Ole, I am kind of intrigued by the idea of a hungry Pochettino stepping into the position.

And I see where you are coming from.. my worry is "intrigued" might no be the best reason to appoint someone. And it's can't be coincidence that the only place Jose did have a huge amount of success was at OT where he was stopped from getting the players he wanted. Not for one moment do I think we've moved forward since he left

 

[Lash]

That's true.

I think it's a comination of the two where United are concerned; the players and the manager sharing an equal portion of the blame for various reasons. But we haven't challenged for the league or CL title at any point post-Fergie so it's difficult to say.

Not sure about Poch and Spurs, but if his tactics were good enough to get them in a position to challenge for titles and trophies in general, I seen no reason why they wouldn't be good enough to carry them all the way.

Probably right about the combination of blame.

Don't get me wrong, I think Poch has done way more than Ole has and would be happy to have him as our manager, but I'm not bowled over by him as others seem to be and think he's going to be the answer to the issues we have.

 

[Andersonson]

Is he a good manager? Yes, surely

Do we need to sack Ole? No
Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time. I know a few in here keeps mentioning Barca/Real etc who keeps sacking managers, but I aint a fan of that approach.

We have a few problems at the club, and I dont think Ole is one of them. Atleast not yet.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

I honestly can't believe our fanbase at times. They will throw every manager under the bus, even a former club legend, but not Ed Woodward for some bizarre reason. Fans like you deserve the Glazers and Ed Woodward.

Throw every manager under the bus? Once again I don't understand.

Should we have stuck with Moyes? Every man and his dog wanted Van Gaal out after spending close to £300m which was before the prices were inflated. Mourinho self destructed when the club refused to buy him Maquire and in general was leaving a toxic atmosphere around the club and apparently Ole is being thrown under the bus because he didnt get Sancho? Ole has spent £300m in 3 transfer windows. Other than the oil rich clubs name me another club that's spent that much?

Getting rid of managers isn't throwing them under the bus if they're underperforming or causing a toxic atmosphere. What's so difficult to understand about that?

And for any future reference I can't stand our parasite owners or his lacky but saying they haven't backed every manager (other than Moyes) just isn't true. If you said to me it's their incompetence in hiring managers not fit to be at United then that I could agree with.

 

[Maluco]

I love how football fans like to change history. Roll back about 12 to 13 months and loads of Spurs fans were calling for Poch's head. They just had a really a poor start to the PL and were getting embarrassed in the CL. Bayern scored 7 on their own patch.

Not good enough for Spurs and not trusted to be the man to finally win them a trophy but he's good enough for us which is a much much tougher job???

Rather stick with Ole.

Spurs fans were calling for his head because of the position his board had put him in through constant under investment and a failure to refresh the squad. In short, they took it for granted how good they had it.

The same players were burnt out after 5 years, but they were just that, the same players. It was Spurs and he had them consistently on the top 4 and took them (Spurs!) to a CL final! Spurs!!

If I were him, I would be absolutely baffled at people downplaying the job I had done at a club like Spurs. How could he possibly have done anymore at a club like that, being run the way they were? With such tight restrictions?

His net spend, wage budget and club reputation were absolutely dwarfed by the bigger teams in the league and he competed with them every season.

It’s ridiculous that a quality job like that can somehow be downplayed.

He has elevated the clubs profile and enabled them to spend more nowadays, and it remains to be seen whether they can even get back into the CL once, nevermind year after year.

Also, losing 6-1 at home to Spurs is worse than any possible loss to Bayern Munich. Bar a win at PSG, Ole’s season start is what got Poch sacked at a lesser club that he had overachieved at for 5 years.

 

[romufc]

So yes, we're fecked mate. The sooner you accept that the better for your mental health.

I have accepted this, does not stop me supporting the team. I have given up a long time ago. I am not interested in CL either.

The only way things will change is if we do not finish top 4 on a consistent basis.

 

[Judas]

Is he a good manager? Yes, surely

Do we need to sack Ole? No
Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time. I know a few in here keeps mentioning Barca/Real etc who keeps sacking managers, but I aint a fan of that approach.

We have a few problems at the club, and I dont think Ole is one of them. Atleast not yet.

You want to waste peak years of some brilliantly talented players on a manager who has been consistently inconsistent since he stepped through the door? It’s brave dedication to man who probably simply doesn’t quite have it, he’s done his bit, but I doubt there’s another level he can take this team to.

 

[stevoc]

The signings don't come into it. Ole has been given money and chose to buy Maguire and James .

He could have signed Partey but he didn't.

Can he play centre back or right wing?

 

[Strelok]

I have accepted this, does not stop me supporting the team. I have given up a long time ago. I am not interested in CL either.

The only way things will change is if we do not finish top 4 on a consistent basis.

Yeah I don't stop supporting us either. Tbh now I just enjoy and be happy if we win. And stay away from the caf or come here to moan after a lost depending on the mood . Like most of the fans on this planet I guess. We're no longer in the 'we are/will be a title contender' elite bracket. As you said, we've become a club that top 4 is our target.

It's sad but reality is often sad isn't it.

 

[stevoc]

So this is where we're at:

Max Allegri: Won trophies, but don't want because his football isn't entertaining and he's pragmatic.

Mauricio Pochettino: Plays entertaining football but hasn't won trophies so don't want.

Get a fecking grip.

Well....

 

[Berbasbullet]

I liked paddy powers cheeky tweet says he is awaiting feedback after his television interview for man united.

 

[Adam-Utd]

How the hell do you know what he'd do with United? What I do now is we are playing horribly at the moment and losing. Poch has very little pedigree to make me think he can change that. A strong boss can get what he wants from the idiots on the board

Well considering he played a boring style of football at Juventus who were practically guaranteed to win the league title no matter what they did, maybe he'd chose the pragmatic approach here too?

Some people are happy to win, but win boring,. Others want something a bit funner.

 

[Foxbatt]

I am not a huge fan of Poch but for sure he is much better than Ole. His net spend at Spurs was around 50 million I think. That says a lot.

 

[Pav1878]

Can he play centre back or right wing?

Nope but he can play centre mid better than all of our centre mids so....

Sometimes you just need to get quality players in when they are available.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Hire manager

Sack manager

(Ed Woodward gets away with it)

Hire manager

Repeat....

 

[bosnian_red]

Is he a good manager? Yes, surely

Do we need to sack Ole? No
Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time. I know a few in here keeps mentioning Barca/Real etc who keeps sacking managers, but I aint a fan of that approach.

We have a few problems at the club, and I dont think Ole is one of them. Atleast not yet.

I don't understand this logic. You go through players if they aren't quite good enough and keep striving for more. Manager is the same. Just because someone isn't Fergie doesn't mean they failed. Ole took us as far as he can. We're in a position where moving on from him to Pochettino would be beneficial as we need better coaching. Every football club changes managers regularly. We are no different, just because that's how life in sport is.

 

[stevoc]

Top 4 looks pretty more nailed on for Poch if you look at his record st Spurs who many class as a nearly club.

Ole going to have to take another course in coaching if he wants to be here that long or learn by his mistakes pretty quickly.

Which course?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

I am not a huge fan of Poch but for sure he is much better than Ole. His net spend at Spurs was around 50 million I think. That says a lot.

Daniel levy and Spurs have turned to Jose over Poch despite how explosive and disruptive Jose can be at a football club. Why is that?

I actually think Poch could be a success at United but it wouldn't be under this regime and in these circumstances.

 

[Wilt]

I am not a huge fan of Poch but for sure he is much better than Ole. His net spend at Spurs was around 50 million I think. That says a lot.

QFT

 

[Judas]

Daniel levy and Spurs have turned to Jose over Poch despite how explosive and disruptive Jose can be at a football club. Why is that?

I actually think Poch could be a success at United but it wouldn't be under this regime and in these circumstances.

Woody and the Glazers are going nowhere, so you’d rather watch us go nowhere on a football level with Ole than at least try a manager with a better ability? Isnt It a bit cutting your nose off to spite your face to stick with what we have.

Ideal world the whole board and club gets a big shakeup, but it just isn’t happening, so why waste the players we already have on a manager who has taken us as far as he probably can.

 

[stevoc]

Nope but he can play centre mid better than all of our centre mids so....

Sometimes you just need to get quality players in when they are available.

So in this scenario you describe we would have a slightly better midfielder (debateable I’m not sure personally).

But we’d be a centre back down and probably relying on one of Jones rojo or Bailey staying fit. Interesting.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Woody and the Glazers are going nowhere, so you’d rather watch us go nowhere on a football level with Ole than at least try a manager with a better ability? Isnt It a bit cutting your nose off to spite your face to stick with what we have.

Ideal world the whole board and club gets a big shakeup, but it just isn’t happening, so why waste the players we already have on a manager who has taken us as far as he probably can.

I don't think he has though. I think there's more to come from Ole and he should be afforded more time. And the majority in the vote above agree too clearly. He's done some great things that go unnoticed too.

The start of the season was an absolute shambles for 2 reasons. Firstly the rest period from Sevilla to Palace was a joke. Half the team didn't even play a single friendly game. Not Ole's fault.

Secondly the transfer window was an even bigger joke. I don't think any of these signings were close to Ole's targets. I don't even need any more convincing that DVB was a club signing as why would a manger not play his star signing more? And Cavani was clearly not an Ole signing. Only last season he spoke out about moving away from such players yet because Woodward couldn't deliver Haaland and Sancho etc we panicked and got Igahlo n Cavani on deadline days.

Ole hasn't got everything right and he has made mistakes of course. Guess what? Every coach does and so will Poch if it is him who takes over. But Woodward will continue to harm this football club way more than Ole is doing.

 

[Amir]

And I see where you are coming from.. my worry is "intrigued" might no be the best reason to appoint someone. And it's can't be coincidence that the only place Jose did have a huge amount of success was at OT where he was stopped from getting the players he wanted. Not for one moment do I think we've moved forward since he left

Mourinho got most of the players he wanted in the first two years, but after those seasons I - and many - thought it wasn't going anywhere. It wasn't about lack of signings of money to spend. It was about him.

Mourinho's career at United actually mirrors his tenures in previous clubs. His second season, as always, was the highlight, but City were far and beyond anything we've seen in the PL up to that year.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Not good enough for Spurs yet he was there for 5 years and took them to a CL final? You clearly have some wild delusions about how football management works. Ancelotti has been sacked, is he a shit manager? Presumably not good enough to manage Chelsea or even Napoli-level teams since they both sacked him. What an idiotic notion.

Even if your nonsense about his record was true and it did mean Poch isn't qualified for the United job, why are we persisting with someone as underqualified as Ole, WHILE he's spending hundreds of millions and achieving nothing with it other than ceding 6 goals to teams managed by Mourinho, no less?

Why is Poch more qualifed? He's won nothing as manager and won less than Ole as both a player and manager. Why are you so certain he's the man?

Ole has done enough for me to warrant further backing. Some brilliant results in big games, two very good runs where we looked very good. This team is a work in progress.

 

[Judas]

Why is Poch more qualifed? He's won nothing as manager and won less than Ole as both a player and manager. Why are you so certain he's the man?

Ole has done enough for me to warrant further backing. Some brilliant results in big games, two very good runs where we looked very good. This team is a work in progress.

What’s our style of play? What sort of team are we?

 

[Amir]

Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time. I know a few in here keeps mentioning Barca/Real etc who keeps sacking managers, but I aint a fan of that approach.

It's not just Real or Barca. Do you see any big club in europe having this approach of 'let's give the manager a few seasons and see'? No, because a smart club doesn't need years to realise if the manager is doing a good job or not.

 

[Amir]

Why is Poch more qualifed? He's won nothing as manager and won less than Ole as both a player and manager. Why are you so certain he's the man?

So if Pochettino wins the CL final - a change of the result of just one match in his career - would that put him ahead of Solskjaer?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

What’s our style of play? What sort of team are we?

You see this is where I get annoyed with our fans. We're a very good counter attacking side that is trying to transition into a good attacking side and yes it's taking us time to adjust. It's not easy and it will take time.

Arteta is getting hailed as a genius. He came and played 5 at the back like Lampard did the week before. Ole has done this, got us results, and gets crucified for being too defensive. Our fans want to see more attacking football and then we don't get the results they moan.

 

[Amir]

Not good enough for Spurs yet he was there for 5 years and took them to a CL final? You clearly have some wild delusions about how football management works. Ancelotti has been sacked, is he a shit manager? Presumably not good enough to manage Chelsea or even Napoli-level teams since they both sacked him. What an idiotic notion.

I'll tell you who the real idiots are: Aberdeen, for hiring in 1978 a manager who was just sacked from St. Mirren. I

 

[Nou_Camp99]

So if Pochettino wins the CL final - a change of the result of just one match in his career - would that put him ahead of Solskjaer?

Did you do any research into Spur's CL run by any chance?

8pts they got in the group stage. The joint lowest any team has ever qualified with.

Did you see some of their games in the knockouts? City n Ajax looked levels above them for large spells. And they got some incredibly lucky calls with VAR.

And the dippers played them off the park anyway in the final so it mattered not one bit.

 

[bond19821982]

Is he a good manager? Yes, surely

Do we need to sack Ole? No
Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time. I know a few in here keeps mentioning Barca/Real etc who keeps sacking managers, but I aint a fan of that approach.

We have a few problems at the club, and I dont think Ole is one of them. Atleast not yet.

So.at what point would you sack Ole ?

 

[Amir]

Did you do any research into Spur's CL run by any chance?

8pts they got in the group stage. The joint lowest any team has ever qualified with.

Did you see some of their games in the knockouts? City n Ajax looked levels above them for large spells. And they got some incredibly lucky calls with VAR.

And the dippers played them off the park anyway in the final so it mattered not one bit.

Did you see our match in the San Siro in 1999? Or the final? Or getting out of that group with four draws while beating only Brondby? That's football for you. Maybe we should have written off Ferguson for riding his luck to win it.

 

[bond19821982]

He also bought Bailey didn’t he? So he already had 2 new cb’s costing around 70m

Very true. Missed him completely. Thanks!

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Did you see our match in the San Siro in 1999? Or the final? Or getting out of that group with four draws while beating only Brondby? That's football for you. Maybe we should have written off Ferguson for riding his luck to win it.

I was at a few of those games so yeah I did. We had Barcelona n Bayern Munich in our group. Easy eh?

I'm not basing it off just that either. You're all painting Poch to be the saviour and I'm just saying it might not be the case. I think he's a talented coach but I do think there's something missing with him. Levy clearly thinks so too. And I have no doubts that Poch n Woodward is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[croadyman]

Woody and the Glazers are going nowhere, so you’d rather watch us go nowhere on a football level with Ole than at least try a manager with a better ability? Isnt It a bit cutting your nose off to spite your face to stick with what we have.

Ideal world the whole board and club gets a big shakeup, but it just isn’t happening, so why waste the players we already have on a manager who has taken us as far as he probably can.

Yeah the next manager shouldn't be appointed by Woody that I agree with the Ole supporters on,however as I said before he is the jewel in the Glazers crown and therefore will go nowhere

 

[Andersonson]

You want to waste peak years of some brilliantly talented players on a manager who has been consistently inconsistent since he stepped through the door? It’s brave dedication to man who probably simply doesn’t quite have it, he’s done his bit, but I doubt there’s another level he can take this team to.

Is it the manager who has been inconsistent or is it having a lot of youth players making everything inconsistent ? With top talents who are inconsistent with a mix of average and some good players I think he has done quite well. Almost won us two trophies last season.

I don't understand this logic. You go through players if they aren't quite good enough and keep striving for more. Manager is the same. Just because someone isn't Fergie doesn't mean they failed. Ole took us as far as he can. We're in a position where moving on from him to Pochettino would be beneficial as we need better coaching. Every football club changes managers regularly. We are no different, just because that's how life in sport is.

I don't think he's done or has taken us as far as he can. I think there's more to come from both staff and players. Building a team and culture takes time. Not sure Poch would've done any better than Ole so far.

It's not just Real or Barca. Do you see any big club in europe having this approach of 'let's give the manager a few seasons and see'? No, because a smart club doesn't need years to realise if the manager is doing a good job or not.

Some teams are set up differently. Some clubs has a structure with a DOF for instance. We dont. Did Liverpool sack Klopp after two seasons? Did City sack Pep before this season? Tuchel hasnt won the CL yet, which is their goal. Sacked? Nagelsmann hasnt won anything yet, with a team thats the second richest team in the league. Sacked?

All of the clubs I've mentioned was deemed better than us when Ole took over. Some still are, some aint. Progress?