That Athletic piece was a great read. He references England quite a bit...
Marco Rose | OFFICIAL: Joining Dortmund at the end of the season
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Just seen the result. We’re Shakhtar really bad or BM really good?
Poisoned chalice is too strong a word, but I think it's a very difficult challenge with a high chance to get burned, compared to some other jobs out there.
I saw a few minutes if the first half and Donestk were really bad.
It was a complete demolition. They were lucky in a couple of goals, but all in all the game was never competitive
Looking forward to the highlights though they'll be fairly short on BT!
I think both is true. Donetsk played to high a line without pressuring Gladbach's buildup enough and the latter were methodical and ruthless in exploiting the space and mistakes handed to them. Rose was hardly challenged to a master class as people call it these days, but he seems to have done his part well tonight.
I hope he stays at Gladbach for a few years. It would be nice for the Bundesliga to have 4 teams that regularly have good chance to pass the group stage.
Players like Thuram and Plea will probably be interesting to (english) clubs in the summer but Eberl (Gladbachs manager) is arguably the best manager in the league and would probably find good replacements.
Players like Thuram and Plea will probably be interesting to (english) clubs in the summer but Eberl (Gladbachs manager) is arguably the best manager in the league and would probably find good replacements.
I don't see it. Gladbach is a well run club, but they are still so far away from even thinking about challenging Bayern. At the moment it looks like he will achieve some recognition in the CL, a second good league finish seems likely as well. There's little left for him, besides hoping for a lucky cup run.
But most comparable jobs are settled already bar City, PSG and Chelsea but they most likely wont be open until the end of the season or next season. I agree that there is a chance of getting burned and it might scare off talented managers but we are still Manchester United just like Liverpool were still Liverpool when they bagged Klopp.
I hope he will be our next manager, anyone of Rose, Hasenhuttl, Poch would be very good signing.
They'll be fine. They'll probably go fro Jesse Marsch
Those are 3 different philosophies mind. Which one would you want?
Rose is the type who could really turn this club around though without a lot of disruption. The counter attacking game is already there with us, and he seems to favour the low block with lightning fast counters
I like the look of Hasenhüttl more than the rest but I have no doubt in my mind our next manager will be Poch if Ole was to be sacked anytime soon
I wouldn't say 3 different philosophies at all.
All want to press high (Poch's Southampton and Spurs except last year were very good ) and want to play on the front foot, dominate the game.
Yeah, I have same feeling. Poch will be our next manager.
All their styles reflect their personalities which impact their philosophy
Poch is easily the most visibly passionate
Rose employs a low block?
All of them share more or less same core principles. Wouldn't miss a beat if we sign them one after the other.
Poch or Rose would both be a step up in quality for us. Just feel like the Ole Project has well has truly come to a grinding halt.
Oh I do long for the days we are referred to a "well coached team". In fact I don't ever recall us being called that even during Fergie's time. We were obviously brilliantly managed but not sure about the tactical side.
I think coaching and tactics are two different things. To be coaching is about the overall strategy and approach, tactics are short term adjustments made game to game or even in game depending on the opponent's strength.
Depends on the opponent and situation
And the default setting is?
Depends on opponent and situation
They defend aggressively and proactively. The rest is situational
This is unfortunately the case because he is the safe option for Woodward. Woodward probably knows crap all about foreign up and coming managers and even if he did wouldnt compare them to having Pochettino.
He has been favouring a 4-3-1-2 has he not?Depends on opponent and situation
They defend aggressively and proactively. The rest is situational
I doubt if he knows crap all. He probably knows everything about Rose and up an coming hipster coaches. What is crap is the lack of foresight.
Poch won’t be appointed imho. But it might be too late for Rose if Woody doesn’t act quickly
Who do you see us getting?
The whole Pochettino after Ole thing reminds me of the Jose after LVG movement.
The manager may seem right on paper but its not really following on what the previous manager did and it's more a rebuilding of the squad to fit the manager rather than progressing the current squad we already have with added changes and a manager that can take the squad further.
Yes. It's his go to formation.
I'd have taken Poch if we had just said to Ole,"thanks for stepping in but we now are looking to take us forward," Then approached Poch, But the whole saga after the UCL and his demeanour after not getting the players after leaves me with doubts.
I think he sees himself at a huge club. I'd love to hear him speak about his time at Spurs near the end. What happened? Why did it go so pear shaped? Does he feel he has grown and learned from mistakes?
Otherwise it's Rose for me and I've liked him from his Salzburg days
That's literally what Poch did on MNF, discussed how Spurs progressed and why he thinks it went pear shaped.
Does use the diamond?
I'm like you my biggest doubts came on the CL final. Lucas had covered the injured Kane and scored a marvellous hat trick to get them in to the CL final and was looking to be striker for the final set.
However he bought back a semi injured Kane for the final and arguably wasnt trusting the starting 11 that got them in to the final in the first place and I felt like he lost the love of his team then.
I felt at that moment that he is one of those managers that has a preference of a single formation, a single type of striker, a single type of midfielder, wide midfielder and a single type of tactical set up.
I dont see him as a manager who even if he had a great false 9 at his disposal would ever use such a tactic. I dont see him as a manager who would prefer using Scholes and carrick type player in a single formation over a hard strength based midfielder like Sissoko, Ndombele and Dier.
I wouldnt exactly cry about him coming here like I felt about Mourinho joining us but I have my doubts over him. I'd rather have a manager who looks at the players he has and is able to build a tactic that gets best of them rather than need a certain type of player he targets for his desired single formation in his head.
The wanyamas, the sissosko, the ndombele, the schneirderlin type for midfield, the Osvaldo, the Lambert, the Kane, the Jenssen and Llorente type for his preferred type of striker.
Do I see him getting the best out of players like Rashford, Martial and Greenwood? Do I see him adding some further creativity or more strength type to our midfield over players like Fred, Mctomminay, Matic and Pogba aswell? Can he even get the best out of defensive minded fullbacks which should be possible for any flexible manager or will he just dump them for attacking ones? Would he have kept defenders like Smalling due to his defensive ability over ball playing abilities?
I'm not saying what he chooses is wrong or right - but I have my doubts over him.
I would say no - he generally allows four attacking players to go with one box to box midfielder, and one holder.
I suppose that sounds diamondish but its definitely not an Ole diamond!
I wouldn’t have though so either. With a player like Zakaria, you can beat a press
He used a diamond when he beat Bayern earlier this year.
He generally plays with 3 mobile forwards(unless Stindl is considered an attacking midfielder? He's kinda a bit of both. Still. His role is that of a forward at least). Formations are meaningless talk. They do use staggered diamonds to advance the ball quickly. Not too dissimilar to atalanta in that regard. And yes, in the build up from the back they will often use a midfield diamond
That's true.
But he reverted to a 4231 in the second half as they were being outplayed...
That's true aswell and in the second half he turned the tables on Bayern and won the tactical battle by occupying the half spaces which affected Bayern's build up from the first phase of the build up.