Ole has done pretty well bringing in players who suit the team in the long run, bar Dan James. It’s time to go though and bring someone in who knows his tactics, Ole is clueless in too many games. The defending in the first goal was inexcusable, even by sunday league standards.
We are an awfully coached team
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Are.....you suggesting we hire Poch in a caretaker role till the end of the season?
No ‘might be‘ about it
Well, that's the kicker. That's why we're 15th in the league and just deservedly lost to some Turkish team.
It’s unexplainable how the 1st goal tonight happens when we were so tight and solid at the back v PSG
Game plan went out the window tonight
It the whole thing though isn’t it, poor management, poor coaching, poor effort. It’s been going on so long it’s now ingrained into us and it takes about 10 games to ingrain it into new players.
This is the 'we are an awfully coached team' thread. If you think the players are getting a pass have a quick look at a few threads in the Player Performance Forum.
Yep! 5th & 6th isn’t acceptable. My point is, despite their shortcomings, I could see their plan in every game. I can’t see Ole’s plan unless we’re looking to counter attack.
Poch got sacked. Was he not a good manager?
As others have mentioned, Liverpool also used to get famous results against teams that were, on the whole, better managed, better coached, and better ran as football clubs. Beating PSG, Leipzig but being so completely inept in at least 50% of our other games is not a sustainable way to become one of the elite clubs again. It just isn't good enough for United.
Were you awfully coached against PSG though? Thats my point, the 2 goals tonight were from individual errors not because you were done by a tactically better team.
Well, I am not saying Poch is the best option and I rate Rose and Hassenhuttl higher but we need a change
He was probably my favourite manager behind Martin Jol but he was still infuriating at times. Stubborn, refusal to drop under performing players and daft/late subs.
I think Rose is gonna be the next WC manager, Hassenhuttl I'm not sure with regards to consistency. I also think if were going down a coaching line Potter could be really good.
There is no consistent tactical plan from one game to the next. Slow, tumescent football seems to be our identity these days. It hasn't changed much since LVG. Wtf are Ole, Carrick and Mckenna working on with these players through the week? Even our talisman, Bruno, looks like he's had the ambition knocked out of him.
I can't see Ole turning this around and making us into a team which challenges for trophies once more. It's a shame because I really thought he could.
I can't see Ole turning this around and making us into a team which challenges for trophies once more. It's a shame because I really thought he could.
Ole can't beat teams that come to defend and counter.
Facts
Facts
We haven’t been for years now. This ain’t a shock.
My point is the coach is getting nailed in the relevant threads while the players are sure as hell getting nailed in their threads too. It's not the case the manager is being 100% blamed while the players get a pass, there's lots of bile to go around unfortunately
I do take your point though; it's unfair to say the coaching is irredeemably terrible when we've shown we can do the business in one-off games. On the other hand it is surely a poorly-led team that seems to have as little consistency, with no notion of building on what went before and learning from mistakes, as this United side. We can talk all night from afar about exactly who is at fault for what mistake or tactical flaw but I find it difficult to blame anybody but the leadership of this team for our almost goldfish-like mental acuity.
What can we expect from a coaching team that consists of a manager who was sacked by Cardiff City and two head coaches that are both in their first senior coaching roles?
Awfull team built from brilliant individuals. We're a black hole that sucks the life and talent out of each and every one of them regardless of the manager
Apparently.. It's a broken system these guys are put into. But this is tried with Ole it won't improve.
Yep, you're right about the slowness of play. When we scored, it was a quick incisive move, with everyone moving forward at pace, early cross in and bingo. So many times we get the ball wide and then it comes back to one of the CB's, then more often than not, across the pitch to the other side, and back again, then we try little one two's around the edge of the box, but they had so many players there, one of them always got a touch. We need to be getting both fullbacks buzzing down the line, and whipping those crosses in, get one striker near post and one far post, and midfield players just outside the box to pick up the ball if it's cleared. Our strikers are far too static for my liking, need to make runs in front of defenders.
Wait for all of the excuses from Steven Howson, the resident top reds and ex-players ready to excuse Solksjaer.
Every pussy reason will be given as to why nothing should disparage Ole.
I love Ole, but I love this club more. Maybe he could pull a rabbit out of the hat and publicly come down hard on the team, Jose style. And I couldn't give a feck as to how that would 'affect' the squad, they're playing shite anyway do who cares. Toughen the fck up.
Every pussy reason will be given as to why nothing should disparage Ole.
I love Ole, but I love this club more. Maybe he could pull a rabbit out of the hat and publicly come down hard on the team, Jose style. And I couldn't give a feck as to how that would 'affect' the squad, they're playing shite anyway do who cares. Toughen the fck up.
Hah, very true.
It's not the coaching that's the issue, it's the motivation and desire to win.
We stink of a team that turns up when it wants to. Big occasion and they're all up for it, brilliant performances across the pitch. When we have to grind or we have to dig deep everyone hides or puts in a 5 out of 10 performance. Completely lack of intensity.
Under Fergie if you dare put in a 5 out of 10 performance you wouldn't see the first team until someone got dropped, these players hang their hats on mediocre performances. There's no consequence for being shit anymore, they get benched (like Pogba), and then when we're losing they're thrown on in the hopes to salvage something. I bet that taught him a lesson, didn't it?
Now, who's fault is it? 60% the manager and coaching staff. The players should fear being dropped for a youth player or any squad player for that matter. Squad players/youth players should be chomping at the bit ready to take their chance when it comes. At the moment, the worst thing that happens is you sit on the bench for 60 minutes and watch your colleague's phone in a performance.
The other 40% lies with the board for allowing the squad to be this weak outside of the first 11 by failing to strengthen the first 11 this summer.
Solskajer won't see the end of November with this set of players. He'll be gone.
We stink of a team that turns up when it wants to. Big occasion and they're all up for it, brilliant performances across the pitch. When we have to grind or we have to dig deep everyone hides or puts in a 5 out of 10 performance. Completely lack of intensity.
Under Fergie if you dare put in a 5 out of 10 performance you wouldn't see the first team until someone got dropped, these players hang their hats on mediocre performances. There's no consequence for being shit anymore, they get benched (like Pogba), and then when we're losing they're thrown on in the hopes to salvage something. I bet that taught him a lesson, didn't it?
Now, who's fault is it? 60% the manager and coaching staff. The players should fear being dropped for a youth player or any squad player for that matter. Squad players/youth players should be chomping at the bit ready to take their chance when it comes. At the moment, the worst thing that happens is you sit on the bench for 60 minutes and watch your colleague's phone in a performance.
The other 40% lies with the board for allowing the squad to be this weak outside of the first 11 by failing to strengthen the first 11 this summer.
Solskajer won't see the end of November with this set of players. He'll be gone.
We are regularly getting outplayed by and losing points to teams that consist of players who are less talented than ours. Your point in this thread is that this is simply because the players aren't giving their all and that it is not because of the coaching, is that right?
Is launching a long floater for Maguire to nod down at the back post our only truly identifiable training ground tactic?
We have not been devoloping a style of play this whole time. We're just so awful now it's embarrassing
I agree.My point is the coach is getting nailed in the relevant threads while the players are sure as hell getting nailed in their threads too. It's not the case the manager is being 100% blamed while the players get a pass, there's lots of bile to go around unfortunately
I do take your point though; it's unfair to say the coaching is irredeemably terrible when we've shown we can do the business in one-off games. On the other hand it is surely a poorly-led team that seems to have as little consistency, with no notion of building on what went before and learning from mistakes, as this United side. We can talk all night from afar about exactly who is at fault for what mistake or tactical flaw but I find it difficult to blame anybody but the leadership of this team for our almost goldfish-like mental acuity.
We've also got occasionally committing every player aimlessly forward so we can get done by a simple ball over the top down to a T.
I'm saying quality players have had 2 experienced managers and they played well at times but in the end things turned sour, either these managers are the cause or the players are. Basically Im saying its not on one specific group of management of players but the 2 goals conceded tonight have nothing to do with tactics, individual errors were the cause.
changing a manager now will start the cycle all over again unless your board are gonna spend on proven quality, Pogab is the last proven talent you signed in my opinion.
Edit sorry Bruno is quality and so is VdB (but not what u needed).
People always get excited at the prospect of a new manager, then get brought back down to earth when things dont go well.
Don't get me wrong, Poch could be the right fit for United, but people will conveniently forget the poor performances Spurs displayed under him in his latter stages.
The squad has the talent. Our best XI is a match for anyone. And our bench is amongst the best in the league.
When the opposition come onto to us and the onus is taken away from United, we're almost unbeatable. But when United are required to play as a team, it all falls apart.
So if it's about our cohesiveness, you have to put the blame on the coaching staff and the manager. I like a lot of what Ole has instilled in the club. But his methods on the pitch are falling way short.
For me, it comes down to reactive versus proactive team dynamics. We react well to adversity that's coming from the outside. But we fail to be proactive when implementing instructions being communicated internally. Ole needs replacing, imo.
When the opposition come onto to us and the onus is taken away from United, we're almost unbeatable. But when United are required to play as a team, it all falls apart.
So if it's about our cohesiveness, you have to put the blame on the coaching staff and the manager. I like a lot of what Ole has instilled in the club. But his methods on the pitch are falling way short.
For me, it comes down to reactive versus proactive team dynamics. We react well to adversity that's coming from the outside. But we fail to be proactive when implementing instructions being communicated internally. Ole needs replacing, imo.
I've just watched Başakşehir manager's post match press conference and he said that he couldn't understand how United conceded the first goal. Even the Turkish pundit in studio said "why United manager didn't get up & tell his defenders to stay back and decided to sit on his seat instead?"
He's getting found out as a fraud by all over the world bar some of his fans.
He's getting found out as a fraud by all over the world bar some of his fans.
I totally get it, I still have my doubts about Jose and I get you always have to have hope, but with hope you need time. As a Spurs fan I know this.
I don't think we can do that. Poch wouldn't accept a caretaker position the same way Ole would.
What do you mean by fraud. That indicates Ole is corrupt in some way which he is not. Think about what you are going to write.I've just watched Başakşehir manager's post match press conference and he said that he couldn't understand how United conceded the first goal. Even the Turkish pundit in studio said "why United manager didn't get up & tell his defenders to stay back and decided to sit on his seat instead?"
He's getting found out as a fraud by all over the world bar some of his fans.
These are his players. The time for blaming only players has gone.
Ferguson was a master coach. He motivated players to the core and I think it was one of the reasons Ferguson’s teams were so successful.
You know our training and tactics are utter shit when we keep trying to play it out from the back.
Disagree. If you send out 11 players who don't have a plan, they will inevitably tire and lose motivation relative to 11 who know what they're doing.