Bingo.
Of course, instead he's going to go 4 month's after it's bleeding obvious that he should be sacked. Then we'll proceed to hire another bad one and watch other promising managers move on to other things. Rinse and repeat.
D-Day for Ole Saturday Nov 7th.
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Of course, instead he's going to go 4 month's after it's bleeding obvious that he should be sacked. Then we'll proceed to hire another bad one and watch other promising managers move on to other things. Rinse and repeat.
I'll have to disagree with you on the Newcastle and Chelsea games. I think we were in total control in the former and against Chelsea we played well, but the opposition was also more than decent.
More than Sancho, I feel what we lack is a midfielder who can control games. Thiago or someone of that ilk would have really elevated this team. Without such a player I feel we'll struggle to ever really gain the consistency to mount a title challenge. I know Liverpool did it in the last couple of seasons but they are an aberration with their style of play being so dependant on their marauding full backs.
Well anyway, don't want to digress to much. To summarise, I still think we ought to stick with Ole, though I recognise if we lose against Everton, the pressure will be severe.
No problem. I also don't expect him to be sacked now, only if the results didn't improve that much come December. For now I think the board will be just monitoring the situation.
Should be gone win or lose, while the season can still be saved.
I still remember the time around Dec - Jan last year, when I thought he's gonna get the sack soon. But I also remember he still go for the attack in most of the matches, not parking the bus to get just a 0-0 draw like most managers would do in that situation. Ole may get sacked, but imo he's not a coward who would go back into his shell once the heat is on.
Let's see how it go this Saturday. On one hand I hope he's brave enough to go there attacking. On another hand I hope he's wise enough to go there with a counter approach and save his ass. Funny me.
Let's see how it go this Saturday. On one hand I hope he's brave enough to go there attacking. On another hand I hope he's wise enough to go there with a counter approach and save his ass. Funny me.
I do believe that ole isn't the man to manage utd. But he has had some great results. He somehow managed to do a job on most of the top 6 last season. I hope poch if he comes in can beat the top6 more regularly than when he was at spurs. Ole getting the sack is only a scapegoat though. Seems to be alot of problems at utd and alot of it ain't his fault. Matic 3yr contract recently, Jones 4 Yr contract when we were 6months from moving the waster on. Huge contract for de gea then followed by huge contract for our sub keeper(I know he's the future)shocking planning. After Rooney and then alexis you would think that handing out huge long contract to players on downward curve wouldnt happen, we seem to be non stop overpaying average players, Shaw for example earns more than robbo and trent together. Size of his chest he has all the signs of it. Then we have the deadwood that we havent move on. Romero, rojo. Romero wanted out just release him and rojo too. Then there is the whole discipline of the current utd players, maguire in greece(not 100percent his fault I know) and then greenwood in Iceland. Followed by AWB and Williams stories all over the tabloids and socials. Probably missing a few. Thank god for rashford. Media really love destroying us and since the sevilla game we have non stop helped them. Whole joke of transfer window then and the truly strange last day. Cavani and diallo deals mind-boggling. Ed is great at earning the money.. He tries to be tight with transfer fee but then pays the asking prices, he overpays wages. He's shocking at budgeting or saving the money he's brought in for the club. He claimed to klopp we were Disney land for adult. He told the media we can do things in the transfer market that no other club could. Then he had to pay 80m for harry. He needs to be as accountable as ole if not more. Yet he won't. Club will just go round and round in turmoil with Ed still calling the shots.
I don’t think people want us to lose as such. I want us to win every game we play, but for this one, I wouldn’t mind if we lose, although as aforementioned, a United win is obviously my preferred result. Win-win situation.
Win = 3 points
Lose = Ole sacked, Pochettino in
Win = 3 points
Lose = Ole sacked, Pochettino in
If we’re talking about a d-day, it’s probably already time.
This is almost certainly going to be the case.
You can put your house on it.
Even if he gets sacked today, he'll have over achieved as United manager considering his experience prior to that.
I agree mate! The club just spent 80million on him and stuck by him after his greek misdemeanours. Unfortunately he is here for a long time!
I think a draw or loss and he is gone. We need upward movement in the table and with a game in hand .... not coming away with 3 points will be the nail in the coffin.
Super great guy but maybe a bit too nice. SAF would never let this team be lazy on the pitch.
Super great guy but maybe a bit too nice. SAF would never let this team be lazy on the pitch.
From the Glazer's perspective this is the best time to sack Ole. Pochs might move to PSG so we have to move fast and OT is empty which means no backlash whatsoever. Ole isn't completely at fault here. However he should be carry part of the blame as well. We spent 130m on two defenders that were completely owned by Ba. Let that sink in.
I feel like Bill Murray. People fighting about whether it's ok to hope United lose so we can get rid of our useless manager. Alarm clock goes. We're 2 years down the line, arguing whether it's ok to hope United lose so we can get rid of our useless manager. Etc. How did Bill break the cycle? Maybe we should give Bill Murray the gig. I'll bet he does a cracking press conference.
You are right. The Cafe reaction (at least the whiners) is pathetic.
https://theathletic.com/news/manchester-united-solskjaer-sacked-latest/F1TWv9uquth2
The athletic with an obvious brief that even if he loses at Everton he will be supported.
The athletic with an obvious brief that even if he loses at Everton he will be supported.
I can understand that, lose a battle to win a war. Lose a game now in order to win many in the future. Or win now and lose more in the long run.
I dont expect him to get sacked or else it wouldve happened last season.
Personally think he looks even more lost than last season and don't see a January signing saving him this time
I'm sorry but if you see our performances against PSG and Leipzig as counter attacking negative football, then I'm afraid our view of football is vastly different, and there's no point of a discussion amongst us.
At this point, I don't really care about the odd 'plucky underdog richest team on the planet pulls off giant killing win' scenarios. I'll celebrate them of course... be gutted when we lose - but it won't change my mind that Solskjaer isn't the right man for the job.
We're two years in and have no ethos or style of play. We're terribly coached offensively and defensively. We play half our games at walking pace and it seems like nobody on the bench cares. It's a ludicrous situation.
I've given up on false dawn results. Three points at Everton, zero points at Everton...it changes nothing in the grand scheme of things.
We're two years in and have no ethos or style of play. We're terribly coached offensively and defensively. We play half our games at walking pace and it seems like nobody on the bench cares. It's a ludicrous situation.
I've given up on false dawn results. Three points at Everton, zero points at Everton...it changes nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Bang in. Stated it a few times. Bruno introduction fuelled our performances. No Bruno & we would have 10 to 14th.
The coaches & OGS in game mgnt are carp. Even his pre game set up is now carp. PL teams have worked us out.
Everton could allow the grim reaper in under covid rules.
Eddy Woody will not risk losing a spot in CL next season. We took a 100mil+ loan recently and covid is here to stay. Once he sees that we are not making it into top 4, Ole will be gone. Dropping points against Everton will be one of the nails in the coffin.
Yeah Ole's in trouble. I still think he's done a good job, both in how he has created the current team and lifted the mood around the club, but his amateur mistakes are starting to show, and at the highest level, you can't afford for that to happen. The biggest sign of this was our start to the season. The complete lack of preparation was evident, both in the fitness of the players and tactically. It almost looked all the good work he had done at the end of last season was torn to shreds, somehow this season we have been forced to revamp our system completely which is shocking.
Ole has the squad to challenge. It has some inconsistencies here and there, but its clearly enough to at least challenge. What is on display at the moment is a team that doesn't know how to play together, and that is on the manager. We are in his second season, and despite the improvement in the quality of players we have access to compared to the start of last season, we are still struggling to press teams, still struggling to break teams down and still don't have a preferred method of attack. My biggest problem with him, and maybe the reason he should go, is that he doesn't have unique tactical ideas or even the write knowledge of tactics to be able to skilfully maximise what he has at his disposal. What he is doing and has been doing is copying the tactical ideals of other managers. But since its a full copy, he hasn't been able to make the necessary adjustments to it to suit the team. For example, in AWB you have one of the best defensive full backs in the world, an advantage in this position that most teams do not have. Instead of finding ways to alleviate him of too many attacking responsibilities in shape and who he is playing with, Ole has simply just used him like any other modern full back. We struggle to bring the ball out of defence which causes us to waste too much time in our build up play and lose advantages created from any forward movement, yet Ole forces us to play out from the back. We have some of the fastest most aggressive attackers in the league, yet we have a weak press.
As at this moment we have a midfield that can be really aggressive, creative attacking midfielders, fast forwards, good defensive full backs and depth. Most teams don't have that level of quality. In fact, I honestly believe that we have a better first xi and squad than Arsenal or Spurs, maybe even Chelsea. I think, even with some of our players lacking consistency, this is on Ole.
Ole has the squad to challenge. It has some inconsistencies here and there, but its clearly enough to at least challenge. What is on display at the moment is a team that doesn't know how to play together, and that is on the manager. We are in his second season, and despite the improvement in the quality of players we have access to compared to the start of last season, we are still struggling to press teams, still struggling to break teams down and still don't have a preferred method of attack. My biggest problem with him, and maybe the reason he should go, is that he doesn't have unique tactical ideas or even the write knowledge of tactics to be able to skilfully maximise what he has at his disposal. What he is doing and has been doing is copying the tactical ideals of other managers. But since its a full copy, he hasn't been able to make the necessary adjustments to it to suit the team. For example, in AWB you have one of the best defensive full backs in the world, an advantage in this position that most teams do not have. Instead of finding ways to alleviate him of too many attacking responsibilities in shape and who he is playing with, Ole has simply just used him like any other modern full back. We struggle to bring the ball out of defence which causes us to waste too much time in our build up play and lose advantages created from any forward movement, yet Ole forces us to play out from the back. We have some of the fastest most aggressive attackers in the league, yet we have a weak press.
As at this moment we have a midfield that can be really aggressive, creative attacking midfielders, fast forwards, good defensive full backs and depth. Most teams don't have that level of quality. In fact, I honestly believe that we have a better first xi and squad than Arsenal or Spurs, maybe even Chelsea. I think, even with some of our players lacking consistency, this is on Ole.
Don't get this would a win on Saturday then do something? Draw, win or defeat shouldn't matter really. The start to this season has been nothing short of appalling and his failure to win trophies last season means he has no buffer to work with.
There is a better manager available at this moment and could jump in right away. The results in Saturday shouldn't have any impact on the fact that last night should be the final nail in Ole's managerial spot at Utd.
There is a better manager available at this moment and could jump in right away. The results in Saturday shouldn't have any impact on the fact that last night should be the final nail in Ole's managerial spot at Utd.
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Will put on yet another tactical master class against a manager that is generally thought to be top top manager and we'll be "on track" again.
Nevermind that the issue is not that Ole has not shown the ability to get great results against other top quality managers and not only results but, often performances but, issue is that he is not able to muster top level performances for an extended run regardless of who the opponent is.
Nevermind that the issue is not that Ole has not shown the ability to get great results against other top quality managers and not only results but, often performances but, issue is that he is not able to muster top level performances for an extended run regardless of who the opponent is.
Bingo. This is the post!
Why do we have to support the manager against the interest of the club? Are we Manchester United supporters or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer supporters?
Yea, they're in my accum this week now
Unfortunately I think this is true. We will wait until it’s mathematically impossible to finish 4th.
We won't wait till it's mathematically impossible and that's purely because of Corona, we won't take the risk of not having CL football next season, the money is too important.
I doubt Ole is on the kind of money Jose was on, or for the length of time. I don't think they will keep him around because of a CL release clause. If they ditch him it will be because fan loyalty to him is used up. He was always mainly a lightning conductor.
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We won't want to spend £10m+ on paying Ole off either. Changing manager doesn't guarantee CL football, far from it.
Agree with the second paragraph. We need someone who can get through the press more than anything.
Inevitable really.
Have to respectfully disagree here. Where you say that not enough time has passed for something significant to have taken place, that right there is the problem. There is no change and there won't be with Ole. Last night was us performing as usual against a team that didn't attack with more numbers like RB and PSG.
The major problem is systemic, it has been for most of Ole's reign, he can only play well on the break because he has no cohesive, well rehearsed attacking moves like the coaching teams of Bayern, Liverpool, City etc. He appears to let the players improvise, which given space against a team throwing numbers at us, and with our pace, they can do and look devastating.
But it's a different story against teams who are more cautious and we don't have those well rehearsed moves that become second nature to allow our attacking game to be quick enough to create the spaces needed.
Ole seems a great guy and his commitment is beyond doubt. I believe he's got a vision of what a good team looks like but he's not good enough to know how to get there. Sad but true.
With regard to blaming the players not following instructions, well of course that looks bad on them and appears true but it also reflects terribly on Ole too.
A manager's principle tasks are to motivate the team and structure them to get a sum better than that of the individual parts..... he's falling well short on both counts which is a shame as I really like him and his stint in charge only adds to his legend (there have been positives and high points) but it's time to call this as done.
Very much doubt it. He'll get till January/February next year and by then it'll be too late and we'll just be trying to salvage a Europa League again.
Totally agree with this post and worth remembering that Tom Cato is finding this even hard to swallow than most as he is Norwegian as well
Probably true because the vote of confidence leak usually comes out about six weeks before the sacking if you follow the same pattern as what happened with Jose in 2018