2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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decorativeed said:
Ugh. How does someone become this? What terrible thing has to happen to you?
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I think the problem is not enough terrible things have happened to him. I reckon if you punched him in the face once a day every day for the next ten years he would come out looking a lot less smug.
 

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calodo2003 said:
Who is this guy?

This seems to be the prototypical picture one would find in the dictionary under ‘incel.’
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He looks like the absolute cnut that gets angry at his girlfriend for hugging her cousin Tom at her birthday party.
 

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ChaddyP said:
im not sure if you know but all Black Jamaicans are decended from slaves. The indigenous people of Jamaica were Arawak indians. They were all killed off by colonists. West Africans were then imported on to the island like cattle to work sugar cane plantations. So if her father is Black and Jamaican he a descended from slaves thus...she was as well. The man is from Browns Town St Anne. He like 90 percent of Jamaicans are of African Heritage
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Fun fact, my surnames Brown which I think traces back to Hamilton Brown, an Irish slave owner, who apparently is also an ancestor of Kamala Harris.

We're potentially (very) distant cousins, me and Kam.
 

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horsechoker said:
I wrote it jokingly but her mother is Indian and her father is Jamaican.

Now if you're definition of African-American is black then yes she is. However, if it's either somebody who descended from slaves or a more recent African migrant then she wouldn't be "African-American".

None of this should really matter, I'm not somebody who tell her what she is or isn't, her background doesn't invalidate her as a black woman or a woman of colour (whichever nomenclature you prefer).

I think this is something which is beyond the scope of this thread and perhaps something that I might be out of my jurisdiction commenting on but here we are.
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No problem, it’s just that we (the forum) had this out this week so it was top of mind. Basically she self identifies as AA (check her senate Bio) so I am going to go with that.
 

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Watching CNN and the reporter in LA is walking with someone behind him wearing a “feck Trump” shirt :lol:
 

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:lol: random bloke on the streets with a "F**k Trump" tee walking behind the CNN reporter. Think the cameraman kept trying to cut him out of the picture but he keeps reappearing :lol:
 

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horsechoker said:
I'm aware and I didn't want to cone across as some sort of authority on the subject. Anecdotally I've know carribean/West Indian people who don't think of themselves as Africans but that's by the by.

What I think is more is at what point to people stop being one thing and start being another?

As time passes African-Americans become further separated from Africa. I think labels such as African-American can be dangerous in that they make black Americans seem non-American when in fact they're some of the most American people there are owing to their long history in America. To use a cliché "they're American as apple pie".

I would apply the same logic to many Americans of European descent. How Anglo-Saxon are the supposed WASP Americans?

If we go back far enough we can claim heritage from Africa but would that be right?

Again, I don't want to tell people what their identity is but eventually groups become so distant from their origins that the people begin to bear less resemblance culturally from their origins.

We just also bear in mind how much of the African diaspora's history has been stripped from them through slavery.

As I said before, this topic is beyond the scope of this thread.
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I dont think we are far apart in our views. Its just that if your definition of "african-american" is " either somebody who descended from slaves or a more recent African migrant "

then Harris is part of the former. I however do find the label of "african-american" quite odd and would personally reject that label if it were me, But im from a different culture and cant begin to understand why its used. I would just call myself American if i was born there. I call myself Jamaican ...simple , but im not from a hugely diverse country with the kind of history that America has. Really hope this post doesnt piss anyone off . I just dont get certain things. Like Ilhan Omar as an african american is totally different from Jim Clyburn as an african american and also Kamala Harris as an african american. I guess its like calling all people from spanish speaking countries Hispanic.
 

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horsechoker said:
I'm aware and I didn't want to cone across as some sort of authority on the subject. Anecdotally I've know carribean/West Indian people who don't think of themselves as Africans but that's by the by.

What I think is more is at what point to people stop being one thing and start being another?

As time passes African-Americans become further separated from Africa. I think labels such as African-American can be dangerous in that they make black Americans seem non-American when in fact they're some of the most American people there are owing to their long history in America. To use a cliché "they're American as apple pie".

I would apply the same logic to many Americans of European descent. How Anglo-Saxon are the supposed WASP Americans?

If we go back far enough we can claim heritage from Africa but would that be right?

Again, I don't want to tell people what their identity is but eventually groups become so distant from their origins that the people begin to bear less resemblance culturally from their origins.

We just also bear in mind how much of the African diaspora's history has been stripped from them through slavery.

As I said before, this topic is beyond the scope of this thread.
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How can african-amercian seem non-American, when the clue is in the name, half of the phrase is "American". Seems a strange perception you have.
 

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unchanged_lineup said:
That was Giuliani. Trump was golfing then went hiding at the WH after.
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Oly Francis said:
This is what happened :

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I'm off to frantically search for a video of Rudy talking about the Deep State ballot conspiracy, with a brief intermission to talk about some great half price deals on white chip stones.
 
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