He's running out of people and organisations to blame now. Give it another 6 months and the Proud Boys will be under attack for not supporting him strongly enough.
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Thats what I will never get about all of this - he demands loyalty but he has shown to be absolutely incapable of giving it back. Every single person who gets an in with him gets discarded somehow. The fact that Biden apponted a chief of staff who he has known for decades while Trump has had an revolving door says plenty in that regard. Though of course the Trump fan would say that that's just because Donnie wants the best and when they're not the best anymore they get fired or some bs.
Again- if just about any of us knew someone like him in our own lives we d hate the guy's guts - no two ways about it. We wouldn't want that kinda person as a friend, boss or family member.
Whats his plan for January 20th? I mean he's he can't shithouse this transition forever, eventually he'll have to vacate the WH once his 9000 lawsuits between now and then all predictably get thrown out. Is the plan to sow enough doubt and outrage to give him a chance for re-election in 4 years? Or does he have something a lot more sinister planned before then?
Still worried this will spiral out into violence. Especially if he cites Jesus and commands the MAGA idiots to defend their country against 'leftist Tyranny' or whatever hyperbolic nonsense he could conjure up.
Still worried this will spiral out into violence. Especially if he cites Jesus and commands the MAGA idiots to defend their country against 'leftist Tyranny' or whatever hyperbolic nonsense he could conjure up.
I still don‘t think there is a plan, insofar as an mentally and emotionally stable adult human is capable of requiring introspection and strategic thinking.
He is a child, who got his toy taken away from him by Dad and is complaining to Mom about the unfair treatment who has no intentions of granting his wishes because she knows he’s full of it. The adults in the GOP are hedging their bets whilst stringing him along knowing they need the Senate seats from Georgia.
From WaPo yesterday.
I heard someone say the "plan" will be to go to Mar-a-Lago for the hols and then just not return. Which seems not unlikely.
I'm thinking that the possibility that Trump is plotting a coup perhaps deserves it's own thread, rather than the topic being buried in this one ... but I'll leave that decision up to the mods.
Consider this article in The Guardian, of which this is an extract:
"[The] continued leaks about the Trump team’s long-shot strategies for overturning the election result, and references such as one by the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, on Tuesday to a “smooth transition to a second Trump administration”, fed a sense of alarm that America was witnessing more than just hardball politics, cynical fundraising or Trumpian sour grapes.
'What Donald Trump is attempting to do has a name: coup d’état,' said Timothy Snyder, a history professor at Yale University specializing in authoritarianism, on Twitter. 'Poorly organized though it might seem, it is not bound to fail. It must be made to fail.
'Coups are defeated quickly or not at all. While they take place we are meant to look away, as many of us are doing. When they are complete we are powerless.'
... Simultaneous to the Trump campaign’s move against election results in six key states, Trump was installing loyalists in the defense department and in other key security-related government posts. That was activity that might have prompted a warning from the United States about an authoritarian takeover if it happened in Turkey or the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Trump fired the defense secretary, Mark Esper, by tweet on Monday and appointed as chief of staff Kashyap Patel, a key Republican operative during the Russia investigation. Trump also replaced the heads of intelligence and policy inside the Pentagon with political apparatchiks, while a fourth Republican political operative, Michael Ellis, was installed as general counsel of the national security agency. A further move by Trump to fire the FBI director was also reportedly under consideration.
'That is dangerous,' said Corey Brettschneider, a professor at Brown University specializing in constitutional law and politics, of the 11th-hour personnel changes. 'We have other checks, and I don’t believe that the military would go along with a coup, but we need to have people at the top of those departments willing to say what democracy demands.' ..."
‘It must be made to fail’: Trump's desperate bid to cling to power
Consider this article in The Guardian, of which this is an extract:
"[The] continued leaks about the Trump team’s long-shot strategies for overturning the election result, and references such as one by the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, on Tuesday to a “smooth transition to a second Trump administration”, fed a sense of alarm that America was witnessing more than just hardball politics, cynical fundraising or Trumpian sour grapes.
'What Donald Trump is attempting to do has a name: coup d’état,' said Timothy Snyder, a history professor at Yale University specializing in authoritarianism, on Twitter. 'Poorly organized though it might seem, it is not bound to fail. It must be made to fail.
'Coups are defeated quickly or not at all. While they take place we are meant to look away, as many of us are doing. When they are complete we are powerless.'
... Simultaneous to the Trump campaign’s move against election results in six key states, Trump was installing loyalists in the defense department and in other key security-related government posts. That was activity that might have prompted a warning from the United States about an authoritarian takeover if it happened in Turkey or the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Trump fired the defense secretary, Mark Esper, by tweet on Monday and appointed as chief of staff Kashyap Patel, a key Republican operative during the Russia investigation. Trump also replaced the heads of intelligence and policy inside the Pentagon with political apparatchiks, while a fourth Republican political operative, Michael Ellis, was installed as general counsel of the national security agency. A further move by Trump to fire the FBI director was also reportedly under consideration.
'That is dangerous,' said Corey Brettschneider, a professor at Brown University specializing in constitutional law and politics, of the 11th-hour personnel changes. 'We have other checks, and I don’t believe that the military would go along with a coup, but we need to have people at the top of those departments willing to say what democracy demands.' ..."
‘It must be made to fail’: Trump's desperate bid to cling to power
Was about to link this article. There's a few good pieces over at the Graun that, at a level, make depressing reading.
Good idea
Not criticizing, but that is an amazing use of a double negative. I had a Beautiful Mind moment trying to unpack it.
"Not unlikely" is a commonly used expression here. I take it it isn't not not in the States then?Not criticizing, but that is an amazing use of a double negative. I had a Beautiful Mind moment trying to unpack it.
Not really, but then again I spent the last 20 years in Alabama and Louisiana, so who knows what is normal english or not.
I've seen a few FB peeps flocking to post about OANN and Newsmax, also a few social media sites. Drew up this meme for them. Terrible placement of wording but oh well.Hmmm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/media/fox-news-newsmax-reliable-sources/index.html
Edit: it says one of the shows is Spicer & Co.. Holy shit - in case anyone thought Sean Spicer wasn't completely bat shit.
Lets see if Murdoch is gonna go nuclear on him or not.
If Murdoch 'properly' turns on Trump, that will put Hannity, Tucker and Ingraham in a funny old position as you can't have Fox attacking Trump all day then at 8pm it is roles reversed.
How unvery not dare you!Not criticizing, but that is an amazing use of a double negative. I had a Beautiful Mind moment trying to unpack it.
They’ll play the team game. Earn far too much money on fox to throw it away for the orange lump
Also Hannity, Carlson and Ingram are only interested in President Trump, they will quickly wash their hands of plain old Donald Trump.
Yes. It is not.
They will lose all credibility (not that they had much to begin with) if they keep associating with him. He's an embarrassment to the GOP and if he is allowed to keep spewing lies it'll do them more harm than good.
My not unhead not does unhurt.
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There are indeed faithless electors that can be turned and vote Biden.
Dude is crazy enough that if he had a heart attack he would claim it was a hit ordered by Mayor McCheese.
First one could be true and can't wait to see that.
Second one I think the best punishment for him would be he gets to live through the Biden Presidency. He needs to watch and burn. Killing him would be showing mercy and he does not deserve an ounce of mercy.
I agree 100%
He fully deserves his comeuppance and if the world was fair, that would mean going to jail, being stripped of all his assets and being completely humiliated in front of the entire world.
Sadly, I can't see that happening though.
Hopefully it will be somewhere in-between.
I think he’s finished as a businessman post-presidency. He’s up to his neck in debt and will no longer have the political leverage to service it and his money laundering days are over. He won’t be able to buy a Big Mac without an investigation into where the funds came from.I agree 100%
He fully deserves his comeuppance and if the world was fair, that would mean going to jail, being stripped of all his assets and being completely humiliated in front of the entire world.
Sadly, I can't see that happening though.
Hopefully it will be somewhere in-between.
He’s also going to be fighting some very expensive legal battles against various states who will outmuscle him financially and won’t be bullied into dropping the case like his other victims are.
Now you know why he's doing what he's doing. He going to get a full pardon before he concedes.
There are two savings graces if he does slime his way into a pardon:
1. It ONLY covers federal crimes, so NY can keep going full bore at him.
2. It ONLY covers past crimes. So after the pardon is issued when the idiot opens his mouth and spills classified info, and he will because he can't stop himself, then those actions are not covered by a pardon.
it was crossing my mind when he was inciting all the carnage someone might actually shoot him. if it didnt happen then, it wont now. Public humiliation is what he deserves and will likely get
He doesnt have to concede for Biden to become president?
I’d be amazed if he has any cash trouble, trouble laundering it maybe but that’s where his dodgy bank deals come in. Depends if Deutsche etc still wanna take the risk I guess.
Yeah this is what I'm wondering. Everyone keeps saying he is in debt but is there any actual evidence of this?
Probably not the same kind of debt as you, me or the average Joe has and I'd be surprised if he had no cash flow considering all the MAGA merch (proving that the emoluments clause is worthless) and his followers donate on a regular basis to "campaign funds" which obviously has been redirected.
I do think DB will come after him for the loan but just sell a few American secrets and he'll pay that right off.
Random thought just popped into my head. When Biden takes over there will likely be a fair bit of debt on the books owed to Trump org, wonder if it’ll get paid
John oliver covered it when trump's re-election team sending letters out to supporters asking for donations to help his re-election but when they looked deeper the money from supporters was being used to pay off his debt from previous campaign.
My gran used to say "I don't dislike it" when she didn't like something that much. Kind of damning with faint praise.
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