Trump made it all the way to POTUS, so he might not be as unintelligent as you infer. Well, wanker does refer to a person, so yeah, it's a bit confusing, but also I was having a bit fun since you all seemed to be real butt hurt over my, perfectly valid, observations.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Is it acceptable if we end up 6th and City 7th?
Yet in our last game against Everton this teams fight and energy was very clear for all to see. We went a goal down and responded perfectly. We had energy, fight, class. Not a lot of that was on show last night.
There is no point labelling this team as anything when we seem to have several levels of performance that we can produce on any given occasion. Some people may see that as a coaching deficiency. I personally don't, but who can say. We don't see behind the scenes.
I just think we are a maddeningly inconsistent group of characters trying to find the answers to this.
Not for me.
Pep is the new comparison
I’m increasingly concerned, as this season is already shaping up to be another lost season. There’s been no progression in our performances over last season and players we’ve come to extent much better from are severely underperforming.
Bruno’s pk’s and De Gea’s excellent saves are what’s keeping us out of a relegation battle. Still early in the season, but as of this moment the case for Ole remaining on as manager going into next season is not particularly strong.
Bruno’s pk’s and De Gea’s excellent saves are what’s keeping us out of a relegation battle. Still early in the season, but as of this moment the case for Ole remaining on as manager going into next season is not particularly strong.
No one is butt hurt, apart from you it looks. You come across a bit sensitive like your idle, Trump.
Anyway I won't bother entertaining your posts much longer, assuming you last here of course!
ProgressCan't be doing too bad, since he's got us above two elite managers, a world class manager and one with potential greatness
And I'm saying Pep isn't getting a free pass from their fans either, even after all success he has had with them. He's also criticized for their poor start of the season by them.
Ole has done decent and I'm not from those who want him to leave tomorrow, but at the same time I honestly think top 4 and a minor cup good run is the best he will get us to.
City parted away with Pellegrini while he was doing decently well and won a league title with them because they thought Pep will be much better for their future. Parting away with managers isn't always just because they are crap in general.
If comes the end of the season and we are still nowhere other than just a top 4 team, it's perfectly time for us to thank Ole and move on.
we need to have some consistency that’s it. Maybe hard to achieve but that’s what we need. We are 7 points off the top with 1 game less. So not THAT bad. People just make it sound like it’s the end for united. Yes, we expect more, but Ole shouldn’t be sacked!
you are spot on. The media barely talks about pep and arteta but keeps highlighting issues at united. That’s the pressure that comes along with managing this club!
There will always be underperforming teams, why do we so often end up as one of them?
It's the same that happened under LVG in his 2nd season, we finished above a Chelsea team that had just won the league and were on par with City and also above Liverpool. They were all underperforming though and it was another lost opportunity for the club to take advantage of.
It's the same that happened under LVG in his 2nd season, we finished above a Chelsea team that had just won the league and were on par with City and also above Liverpool. They were all underperforming though and it was another lost opportunity for the club to take advantage of.
That's another new norm around the caf nowadays. Teams xyz are failing so that makes it OK for Ole to fail as well. We really are fecked.
I'm going to take another shade at Ole and say one reason for our inconsistency is because our style of play is inconsistent. I honestly don't know what style of play to expect to see when we play Istanbul and then Southampton. Are we going to counter attack? Lethargic build up play? Or Quick transitions? I don't know.
Could also be the reason we don't start most games with any urgency because we don't have a consistent style of play we follow in most games and so waiting to see how the opponent plays before knowing whether to take risks
Big No.
I’ve already said I’m not interested in what City fans do, all I want is for people on here to consider whether they’re being consistent.
No quarrel with the rest of your points, we ought to be showing more consistency by the end of this season.
Why the sudden obsession on the Caf to compare our league position to other top sides? I see some relevance in doing so but ultimately, if you have watched United this season you will know a few things:
We have not improved since last season - we have regressed.
The standard of football is some of the worst since SAF stood down. Worse than Moyes at times.
Without dodgy VAR decisions we would be sat on about 9 points. We have been beyond lucky.
We have some amazing players and far too many fail to provide anything of at note on match day.
OT has become the new go to place for points in the PL.
Rival fans want us to stick with Ole forever.
let’s stop comparing league position and say how it is: we are garbage under Ole and he has not got the clout to manage United successfully.
We have not improved since last season - we have regressed.
The standard of football is some of the worst since SAF stood down. Worse than Moyes at times.
Without dodgy VAR decisions we would be sat on about 9 points. We have been beyond lucky.
We have some amazing players and far too many fail to provide anything of at note on match day.
OT has become the new go to place for points in the PL.
Rival fans want us to stick with Ole forever.
let’s stop comparing league position and say how it is: we are garbage under Ole and he has not got the clout to manage United successfully.
A post can't be a wanker, so pardon my confusion. Considering how upset, some of you were, with my original assertion, I was honestly wondering. Not that I mind being called a wanker by a stranger on the internet.
It's not, and punctuation is not my superpower either.
The question for me though is 'how does another manager get more out of this team?'.
We may get the new manager bounce, but over time the same problems remain. No real right winger in the squad. A natural tendency from our players to attack down the left. A striker unsuited for defensive sides. A star midfielder who we could really use in the team, but he switches off and makes mistakes (Pogba).
We are still an imperfect squad of players, but far less flawed than we were when Ole was hired IMO. It just goes to show how bad things were that we have solved a lot of problems and yet many still remain.
These are issues that mostly cannot be coached into, or out of, these players. Recruitment is the solution, and I have great trust in Ole to make the right decisions there.
Now to be fair most other teams could point to deficiencies in their squads and use those as excuses. Im not trying to do that. Im doing that to point out why we don't yet play as well as Liverpool and City have been doing. They had far fewer issues, and yet as an example City haven't been close to the same side since Kompany left, and even a coach as brilliant as Pep cannot solve that on the training pitch. They have to find a replacement for him.
Ultimately Ole still has to deliver something. Thats the pressure of the job. I think its unrealistic to expect free flowing consistent football every week. He managed to navigate this imperfect squad to a 3rd place finish last season, and he'll need to do similar again. If he does, he gets another summer to solve another couple of those problems and make us a better team.
I don’t think any of that is useful and we are not garbage at all. Inconsistent yes but let the season play out. General consistency over a season is what we need.
It's another excuse in the Ole book of excuses. Endless pages. It reminds me of Pogba. Thankfully the Pogba excuses are coming to an end. We've played him in different positions,played him with a good team, and he's still inconsistent which has opened alot of people's eyes(mine included). Now we wait for Ole to have the best squad and depth before we can criticise him for underperforming after 8 league games
A new manager doesn't have to get more out of this team just as Ole didn't have to get more out of Fellaini, Lukaku, Young and the other centerpieces of Jose's team. A new manager will be tasked with getting more out of his own version of this team. It's not quite starting from scratch but also not quite using the exact same team
As a general rule, if numerous posters all take exception to one of your posts, it's fairly likely the problem lies with your post and not them.
Bu being more experienced, being better tactically, being better at motivating. From what I’m seeing our players just aren’t in the game at times. Why is that?
Thats all well and good. We can all look at anybody and say 'we need to replace that person with someone better in every way' but finding that person is another matter entirely. We simply don't know if another manager would be a better fit for this club and this squad, so essentially its all a gamble.
Sticking with Ole is a gamble, and replacing him is a gamble. We've gambled a lot recently and it hasn't worked. The managers haven't worked. The player recruitment hasn't worked. Its only since Ole come in that we've looked to be heading in the right direction, at least as far as I'm concerned.
Without question it hasn't been a straight line of progress, though in 2 years I see a club with a much better squad of players, that finished higher than the season before, scoring more & conceding less, and so far putting up a good show in the CL. For the time being, that'll do for me. Removing all bias and emotions, that manager that delivered that situation deserves more time, whoever he is.
Not about table position for me. City are below us in the table, but the performances of the teams are night and day from a coaching perspective. They will recover from this slump as they have the quality and the coaching to do so. I'm not so sure about us getting back to the top with this management.
I actually agree. I’ve been a massive flip flopper with Ole and if Poch wasn’t available I would more than likely still be Ole in. It is a gamble either way.
Weird how Klopp has injuries left, right & centre yet still has no problem finding solutions and getting his team performing.
Cause that’s what top managers do.
SAF did it constantly.
Wake up some of you, Ole is clearly not a top manager.
Cause that’s what top managers do.
SAF did it constantly.
Wake up some of you, Ole is clearly not a top manager.
Honestly couldn't care less where City or Liverpool are. We aren't on the same trajectory point as those clubs. A team regressing after winning the title is different from a team stagnating after winning nothing
I like Poch, but theres no way that anybody could ever convinced me that he's a surefire winner for this club. No trophies. A really poor big game record. So-so player recruitment.
I get that there is a counter argument for most of that, and i honestly wouldn't mind him coming here if Ole was fired, but he isnt a compelling enough option to derail the project and go the Poch way for. He just isn't.
The guys been fired and out of work for a year. Nobody is falling over themselves to hire Poch. He'll likely get a big job next but only when it suits the club, not because hes a 'can't afford to miss out on' option.
Lucky for us then that Klopps are 10 a penny round these parts. Let's get two of them, just in case one catches Covid
That’s all well and good, and I can’t fully disagree with any of it. But I think our football would be better and we would be better. We’d have an identity. Trophy or not, Poch has had a good career.
Why not just get another Fergie instead. Another 20 year stint of success would probably be good for this club. Just imagine how much more spoilt and entitled our fanbase could be
Wait until our new SAF doesn't win the league every year though - which the the previous one didn't sometimes, with far better players than what we have now.Why not just get another Fergie instead. Another 20 year stint of success would probably be good for this club. Just imagine how much more spoilt and entitled our fanbase could be
I agree replacing Ole is a gamble but some of us (me Included) think it's a bigger gamble sticking with him. Ole has been given plenty of resources to get us ticking over and while I agree he has put together a good squad he doesn't seem to have the knowledge to put it all together . His method seems to be signing the most expensive players and see if he can work out a system to suit them and this for me is where he's failing.
Many are blaming the club for not signing Grealish and Sancho for Oles deficiencies this season (among other excuses) but looking at it logically if he needs to sign the best players for every position to get us competing is he really the right man for the job?
I think everyone understands the days of having a manager like SAF are gone but that doesn't mean we have to be a passive club hiring people for years at a time hoping they'll be the one when at least in Oles case it's pretty obvious he won't be or it least it's pretty obvious to me and if we need to hire and fire a manager every year until we find someone suitable then that's what we should do because he is out there.
Pochs had a decent career, and he may well end up having a great one. His football under Spurs was never particularly eye-catching though, not so much that you could pinpoint a Pochettino style of play, and he lost so many big games. United fans would not be happy with that. He'd have to step up, and there's no guarantee that he would do that.
I cant say that he do any better than Ten Haag, or Tuchel, or Simeone, or any number of the other possibilities that are out there. None of those guys are sure things. The question is, do you think that Ole is doing such a terrible job that its now best for this club to take that leap of faith and gamble on one of those? Many seem to think that he is, but i dont.
That's right yeh, good point. I mean we both lost to Spurs, and the manner of our respective defeats was absolutely definitely exactly the same as well..
Even allowing for the titles he's won there, if Guardiola finishes out of the top four this season, new contract and all, he's going to be sacked. Because unlike us City still have ambition.
My accusation isn’t that Ole is doing a terrible job. My accusation is that he’s had long enough for us to see some bigger improvement than we have. My suspicion, and it’s only a suspicion because no one knows for sure, is that he’s reached his limit.
Who is the manager that doesnt want or need the best players to dominate their league?
I'm sure Ole wanted Sancho and Haaland and Grealish. We all did. We'd undoubtedly be a better team with those three. Playing better football, and with better results. We might be top of the league right now.
Thats the barrier that Ole is working behind though. If we had that he wouldn't get the credit. It would be because we'd spent fortunes to get the best. The same Ole haters also hate the board for being incompetent in the market and not backing the manager. Its a no-win situation.
Yes, but who, managers have been hired with a winning history and not been kept here. Two of them won trophies but not the United Way. I’m not totally convinced by Ollie, time will tell has a limit, but appears to be signing good prospects for the future.
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