I'm not entirely sure you can call a bad start to the season and subsequently playing catchup for the remainder of it a strategy. Not a legitimate one anyway.
Need to clean the thread but there's a particular abusive full time member who gets away with posts like that on every page. Of course newer members are going to read it and think that's what the place is about
Then when they start knocking in goals regularly again the same people will spout the same shite about how he improved them as players conveniently forgetting that goal scorers need confidence which is hard to get when we're coached as an underdog team.
It's not helped by our former manager being near the top of the table. Real slap in the face if Jose leapfrogs us in 6 months while we tell ourselves we can't expect a title push till Greenwood is in his prime or whatever future metric comes to pass. That's if there's even any at all. There seems to be no concrete timeline. Fletcher once suggested we should wait for Klopp to leave England which is bonkers
This post is a wanker.
not saying it will be but it’s more than possible so I don’t get the hysteria
I don’t think we were devoid of ideas it was more a case of being devoid of strikers who can’t finish chances they should eat for breakfast. We won the game. His tactical nous has been more than good enough to beat a lot of the top managers and teams in the prem and Europe
I’m sure he will do in time
Are these the two teams that are currently below us having played one match more than us?
Most of the complaints are about performances. They have been terrible for a while now. We look like a team that has just met.
Absolutely. And he’s available. I’ve now switched to fully Ole out. I like what he’s done in terms of squad composition but Poch would be an immediate upgrade. Oles had enough time now, regardless of league position, it’s the complete stagnation of progress. Same problems and no obvious solving of them.
Arsenal, Leeds and City aren't managed by Ole so it's not currently in fashion to be criticising them while drowning in one's own tears.
Nobody hates Ole. That is exactly why the Glazers put him in despite his obvious lack of qualifications. And why they keep him.
Do I think we will finsh better than 9th? Yes, of course I do. I think panicking after 8 games of a season is something we should all be big enough and ugly enough to know better than by now.
Without doubt. Word on the street is that we're looking closely at Ant and Dec to replace him at some point. Everyone loves them. A fantastic PR move from the club
City fans have been slaughtering Pep regularly on their forum this season.
Confused, are you calling my post wank, or are you calling me a wanker, in either case, the ER is misplaced. I guess literacy levels are also similar as with Trump supporters.
That’s as may be, but a ton of people bemoaning the start to our season would be happy too see Pep take over for Ole. City fans making sense is in no way a part of my argument.
I can’t disagree with any of your post but our football is just appalling and shows barely any sign of improvement. So what? We just keep scraping through into the CL spots? Semis in the cups? All the while playing stodgy and uninspiring football?
Because Pep is a better manager than Ole in general ? His cycle with City just seems to be reaching its end like Poch with Spurs. Both are better managers than Ole regardless, and will have higher chance of success in their first 2-3 seasons than Ole. I won't say this is confirmed but they have higher chance of that because they're simply better managers.
You keep telling yourself that.
Nobody could have enjoyed that. Awful. Boring. Uninspiring.
This is what exasperates me most about the staunch Ole defenders.
Your intelligence is on Trump levels if you didn't get what the poster insinuated.
I just can't agree that things are that bad. In the last half dozen or so games we've played very well to beat Everton, Newcastle, PSG and RBL.
Criticise the post, not the poster.
I'm unconvinced our fortunes will have changed enough to see us amongst the CL places by the turn of the year. The players look uninspired and lacking energy and enthusiasm. Reminds me of Jose's last season in charge and we all know how that turned out.
Again, I’m not going to disagree with your post. We have the odd game where we show what the sum of our parts are capable of. Unfortunately those games tend to be sandwiched between a few games of dross. From my armchair manager position we look like a pretty easy team to set up against and aside from Bruno we don’t have many keys to unlock teams that sit deep.
One thing that's been noticeably missing the last few weeks has been the comparisons between Ole, Klopp and SAF. Have to admit those did annoy me. Klopp got time to make his squad into champions so why shouldn't Ole? Like there's any comparison to be made. Little by little the excuses are running out and how anyone can, "celebrate" yesterday's win is beyond me but that makes me a plastic fan because I'm not deliriously happy because we just about beat one of the worst teams in the league.
And this is why it’s such a difficult discussion. On the face of it he’s done well.Can't be doing too bad, since he's got us above two elite managers, a world class manager and one with potential greatness
So what you're saying is because Arsenal and City have been rubbish it makes it OK for us to be as well? Believe it or not winning trophies gives managers a little bit more leeway even though I'd bet a considerable amount of money that come the end of the season (possibly before) Arteta will be picking up his P45, unless they're like us and against all the evidence they decide to keep him because they don't have a clue on how to run a football club. Sentiment seems to be the new excuse for not doing the right thing.
All I’m saying is that people throw out stats about our start to the season and raw numbers as evidence that Ole’s out of his depth, and he’s been trying to steady a massive ship that’s had incredible stability at a high level. If Pep, who arrived in a situation where he had a strong title winning core and a lot of spending opportunities, is struggling, then how’s Ole meant to be mounting a challenge? Not to mention that it’s a feeding frenzy whenever United lose, it’s fair to say that Ole’s been doing decently in a far tougher situation.
