Regulus Arcturus Black
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Nope, as you well know, top managers are few and far between.Lucky for us then that Klopps are 10 a penny round these parts. Let's get two of them, just in case one catches Covid
Nope, as you well know, top managers are few and far between.Lucky for us then that Klopps are 10 a penny round these parts. Let's get two of them, just in case one catches Covid
I’m sure we’d all hate a manager that wins the league at least once every second year on average.Wait until our new SAF doesn't win the league every year though - which the the previous one didn't sometimes, with far better players than what we have now.
Thats not an unfair suspicion. He has it all to prove, and only trophies are going to do that, but does anybody really think we are ready to compete with City and Liverpool over 38 tough league matches? Further to that, does anyone think that we can get a manager that can suddenly make us that good?My accusation isn’t that Ole is doing a terrible job. My accusation is that he’s had long enough for us to see some bigger improvement than we have. My suspicion, and it’s only a suspicion because no one knows for sure, is that he’s reached his limit.
Indeed, and none of those are available to us, so why not give our guy a chance of becoming one?Nope, as you well know, top managers are few and far between.
Trying that one again? Didn’t you get laughed out of here last time you tried it.How is improvement measured? By so many metrics we have improved. League position. Goals scored and conceded. Points totals. Those are set in stone. They are what they are.
Some are available that have shown a shit load more potential than Ole ever has at Molde, Cardiff or two years at United.Indeed, and none of those are available to us, so why not give our guy a chance of becoming one?
Not true. Criticising SAF was always blasphemous on here. Doing so was always a good way to get tracked and lynchedI’m sure we’d all hate a manager that wins the league at least once every second year on average.
I know I used to hate it.
This place was swimming with people asking for him to be sacked every year we didn’t win.
Regardless of whether you think Ole should stay or go, the whole club was in the pits when he took over. Mourinho had driven us into the ground and ultimately wasn’t a very good coach for us. Hence why he was sacked and had very few people defending him.Trying that one again? Didn’t you get laughed out of here last time you tried it.
The side Ole took over finished second, scored more, conceded less. And if the squad and depth looks better as you say, why has Mourinho still outperformed him with a worse squad at all of those “set in stone” metrics?
Keep comparing Ole against himself though why don’t you.
I'm not saying Ole does but you don't know any of this.Comment from Mark Lawrenson on the BBC website after Liverpool’s win tonight.
“Since Jurgen Klopp has arrived, he has completely turned the football club around.
Not that it was in any precarious position, but the standard of the teams he puts out, week in, week out, is outstanding.”
I just can’t see Ole leading us to the same level. He is not a strong enough character and he lacks the technical knowledge the rebuilding work requires.
You don’t get sarcasm @Greck?Not true. Criticising SAF was always blasphemous on here. Doing so was always a good way to get tracked and lynched
We had a worse start last year to when Mourinho got sacked @Zen86, and we’re on course to do it again this season.Regardless of whether you think Ole should stay or go, the whole club was in the pits when he took over. Mourinho had driven us into the ground and ultimately wasn’t a very good coach for us. Hence why he was sacked and had very few people defending him.
And where did we finish last season?We had a worse start last year to when Mourinho got sacked, and we’re on course to do it again.
With a better and happier squad. Go figure.
Hiding? Have a look where I was, I was active and pleased for Ole, hoping we’d kick on.And where did we finish last season?
Not surprising that you’ve come out from under your rock again, you were spouting the same shit this time last year and went into hiding from January onwards.
How can someone get laughed out of an Internet forum exactly? Stop being a drama queenTrying that one again? Didn’t you get laughed out of here last time you tried it.
The side Ole took over finished second, scored more, conceded less, on much higher points. And if the squad and depth looks better as you say, why has Mourinho still outperformed him with a worse squad at all of those “set in stone” metrics?
Keep comparing Ole against himself though why don’t you.
Yes. There is certainly a Glaston-like feel to our RABs sudden return to the battlefield. He'd pretty much admitted to being wrong by the end of last season.And where did we finish last season?
Not surprising that you’ve come out from under your rock again, you were spouting the same shit this time last year and went into hiding from January onwards.
There is no chance many here would have the patience to give a manager time to build a team to compete regularly. First sign of struggle there would be calls for him to go and start over again.I’m sure we’d all hate a manager that wins the league at least once every second year on average.
I know I used to hate it.
This place was swimming with people asking for him to be sacked every year we didn’t win.
Please. You practically disappeared from this thread after being so overwhelmingly vocal beforehand.Hiding? Have a look where I was, I was active and pleased for Ole, hoping we’d kick on.
And my reply to the “set in stone” stats is just the truth. Ole’s best season was worse in every metric than the season before he came in.
I haven’t been away, stop making up shit. Check the link.Yes. There is certainly a Glaston-like feel to our RABs sudden return to the battlefield. He'd pretty much admitted to being wrong by the end of last season.
https://www.redcafe.net/search/285064/?page=4Please. You practically disappeared from this thread after being so overwhelmingly vocal beforehand.
Thats bullsh*t. I've been here come rain or shine throughout, in all of the same threads. Havent noticed any of your posts for ages, and they are generally hard to miss.I haven’t been away, stop making up shit. Check the link.
“Wrong” I wasn’t, our points total was an utter embarrassment. I simply thought that he deserved the Summer window and to start another season after showing improvement from Jan.
That’s a pretty level headed flexible view I’d say, rather than your permanent excuses.
Indeed. It would be fun to see a timeline of his thread activity last seasonYes. There is certainly a Glaston-like feel to our RABs sudden return to the battlefield. He'd pretty much admitted to being wrong by the end of last season.
https://www.redcafe.net/search/285076/Thats bullsh*t. I've been here come rain or shine throughout, in all of the same threads. Having noticed any of your posts for ages, and they are generally hard to miss.
I struggle with people who only ever seem to want to score points on a forum. 'Laughed out of the forum' is a great example. Who says that? Are you 12?
Perception is reality.I'm not saying Ole does but you don't know any of this.
There 14 pages of my “vanished”, go wild.I struggle with people who only ever seem to want to score points on a forum. 'Laughed out of the forum' is a great example. Who says that? Are you 12?
I'm almost invested enough in this to make an effort to find some of your posts before you vanished. Almost.
Bored of this already. If I wanted to argue I've got two teenage girls much more readily available. They only disappear when its chore time.There 14 pages of my “vanished”, go wild.
You have 14 pages too since Jan.
Zen has 8.
Fantasy World from you pair. Expected though consider you live in a World where Ole suddenly turns into one the games best managers cause “time”.
What do you mean by 'turn things around'? The season has barely started. We're the outsider for top 4 with Chelsea and Spurs stealing an early march on us but of course he has it in him as proved last season.At this point anyone who thinks Ole can turn things around is simply delusional. He just does not have it in him.
I do but don't keep track of usernames on here or people's views. I keep having to dispute notions that SAF and Ole's doubts aren't similar. Thought you were one of those who compare them with a straight faceYou don’t get sarcasm @Greck?
With Liverpool and City, most of us are not expecting him to win. We expect him to bridge the gap and hopefully compete in 2-3 years. Yes, he made the team young but there is no system in place. His best strategy is counterattacking football, that's why he does well with big team but struggle like weak team. He will yet be beaten by Southampton, Leicester, Wolves, Burnley and etc. Losing to weaker teams can happen once in while but Ole's team is consistent at doing that.I’m sure we’d all hate a manager that wins the league at least once every second year on average.
I know I used to hate it.
This place was swimming with people asking for him to be sacked every year we didn’t win.
Can't see this board being that ruthless. Chances of pep being sacked before him is high.3 nasty PL games ahead I see.
Southampton away
WHU away
City home
Moyes might get him the sack, feck me how depressing.
you see @ Regulus Arcturus Black. I wasn't the only oneWith Liverpool and City, most of us are not expecting him to win. We expect him to bridge the gap and hopefully compete in 2-3 years. Yes, he made the team young but there is no system in place. His best strategy is counterattacking football, that's why he does well with big team but struggle like weak team. He will yet be beaten by Southampton, Leicester, Wolves, Burnley and etc. Losing to weaker teams can happen once in while but Ole's team is consistent at doing that.
ha ha.you see @ Regulus Arcturus Black. I wasn't the only one
We lost 6-1 to Spurs, City lost 5-2 to Leicester, Liverpool lost 7-2 to Villa... one-off results say feck all. We also had ten players for most of the match.That's right yeh, good point. I mean we both lost to Spurs, and the manner of our respective defeats was absolutely definitely exactly the same as well..
Even allowing for the titles he's won there, if Guardiola finishes out of the top four this season, new contract and all, he's going to be sacked. Because unlike us City still have ambition.
Hold up, didn't you start this thread below?Klopp will not take over and pep is also not possible. My preferred choices to take over would be:
Poch
Tuchel
Ralph Hasenhuttl
Have to say Tuchel's stock has gone down. Poch seems the only logical choice.
It's not really going to prove anyone as clueless idiots either way. You think we'd definitely do better with a new manager in those next 3 games and beyond, I'm not convinced. We'll never know.3 nasty PL games ahead I see.
Southampton away
WHU away
City home
Moyes might get him the sack, feck me how depressing.
Surely Bilbo, Zen, Leftback et al understand that this start is fecking depressing for us all, we’d all love to be proven clueless idiots and I for one was delighted we clinched top 4. I wanted nothing more (and still do) for Ole to start well and have a cracking season.
If Ole smashes it from here on out and Bilbo wants to gloat about RAB the moron, fecking awesome, I’m game.
I just wanna see United play good football more often than not, with our expensively assembled squad it really is the least we should expect.
How do you finish 3rd & suddenly fans accept being ‘outsiders for Top 4’; the excuse can’t always be to buy our way out of trouble.What do you mean by 'turn things around'? The season has barely started. We're the outsider for top 4 with Chelsea and Spurs stealing an early march on us but of course he has it in him as proved last season.