Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Volumiza]

Would be interesting to see how many times these votes were changed since the thread was opened...

Mine has changed a million times or more

My default position is that I don’t think he can take us on to win trophies

However, I love the squad he’s assembled and I get carried away when we perform well and the think he could be the one. I’ve been a terrible flip flopper over Ole.

 

[Tom Cato]

This is the type of reply you only post online when you can be anonymus, and not to your employer. I'm sure you see the irony related to your previous response in this thread.

 

[Threesus]

De Gea has been in decline for years and imo most of our fans dont see the wood for the trees with him.

His kicking and dealing with high balls has always been suspect/poor, but we accepted that because he was hands down the best shot stopper in the world. Its been a while since he was that and honestly he hes not really been top of the pile since 17/18 when he admittedly was insane and must have single handedly won us about 12 points.

While I do think that some of his mistakes have been exaggerated, I agree that he has regressed from his 17/18 season. It's just that for so long, he was the only world class player we had and I just absolutely love him, you know. Even after the failed transfer to Madrid, he kept his head down and performed. I don't want to believe that his stint here would have to end on a low note. He deserves to lift the PL trophy man, more than any other player in the squad in my opinion. Maybe that's a pipe dream, but I would really love for that to happen.

On the other hand, there is Dean Henderson who has come through the academy and has gone through the grind, starting from League 1, I think. Why can't we have problems like this in the midfield and attacking areas?

 

[Champ]

De Gea has been in decline for years and imo most of our fans dont see the wood for the trees with him.

His kicking and dealing with high balls has always been suspect/poor, but we accepted that because he was hands down the best shot stopper in the world. Its been a while since he was that and honestly he hes not really been top of the pile since 17/18 when he admittedly was insane and must have single handedly won us about 12 points.

Why select the stats showing one aspect of his game in a select 21 games?
Why not look at the saves to save percentage for example, whereby he was 5th in that season, or goals conceded per 90 mins on average where he was 4th,
Stats can be twisted to suit any narrative.
Whilst De Gea has not been as superlative as his previous seasons, to say he is on the decline is wholly incorrect based in nearly every aspect of his game.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

De Gea does not get into City, Liverpool, Spurs, Leichester and Mendy looks a really good keeper so id say Chelsea as well
Baily has talent but plays like a weasel on cocaine so what CL club would trust him?
Henderson has talent and should imo replace De Gea as our #1 but its too early to say with him
Lindelof does not get into City, Liverpool, Spurs, Leichester, Chelsea. Hes a typical Arsenal defender.

no @Bobcat, go through their squads and rate them as title winning, top 4, top 8, midtable.
Do it for Leicester, Spurs and Chelsea, you’ll be surprised when the likes of Werner and Ziyech have to be put into your “top 8 category”, Abraham and Reece James into your midtable etc.
I’d imagine Kante is the single player that makes your “title winning” category from the chavs.

As for Lindelöf, I’m no big fan but Spurs have been playing with Dier at the back for fecks sake, tells you everything and their manager bought Lindelöf because in his own words ”he knows the Portuguese league”.

 

[crossy1686]

Pretty sure I'll be sadly proven right.

Nah, you won't. He's already proven he's the man to take us forward. We've made massive strides despite not supporting him with the players he's asked for. Playing the best football since Fergie and looking like something resembling a football team again. Anyone that can't see it is spending too much time listening to rival fans talk about our club.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Nah, you won't. He's already proven he's the man to take us forward. We've made massive strides despite not supporting him with the players he's asked for. Playing the best football since Fergie and looking like something resembling a football team again. Anyone that can't see it is spending too much time listening to rival fans talk about our club.

fecking hell @crossy1686, you know which players he asked for? Who didn’t he get?

It was Ole himself that couldn’t convince Haaland that United was currently a better option than Dortmund and time has proven Haaland correct, the Dortmund move was perfect for him at this stage in his career.

So if this boils down to Sancho, I’m gonna argue you’re off your tits if you think 100m+ for him would have been anything other than a stupid move of desperation, a Barca-esque move. Or dare I say it, Mourinho with Lukaku.

Our money has been much better spent on the shrewd signings, rather than the Lukakus or the Pogbas. Telles, Bruno, DvB and Cavani will all end up looking like very shrewd buys in time.

 

[Bobcat]

no @Bobcat, go through their squads and rate them as title winning, top 4, top 8, midtable.
Do it for Leicester, Spurs and Chelsea, you’ll be surprised.

I dont have the time, the will, nor the info to do that

But broadly speaking
Leichester: We have a better defense, they have a better midfield, we have a better attack, but they have Vardy
Spurs: Defense is pretty equal, midfield is pretty equal, they have a better attack
Chelsea: They have a better defense, a better MF and a better attack imo

We have Bruno who is outstanding
Rashford, AWB, Maguire, Fred and Greenwood are all CL quality players. DvB and Cavani might be it, but its to early to say

But the likes of Shaw, Lindelof, McTomminay, Martial, Would they be regular starters for City, Pool, Spurs or Chelsea? I doubt that

I said it earlier, but ill say it again, the reason the entirety of the United fanbase is losing its mind over Fernandes is because hes genuine world class and its been quite some time since we had that here. Most of these players have been here far longer than Ole, and its not like they were pulling up trees elsewhere or under different managers and then turned to shit

 

[crossy1686]

fecking hell @crossy1686, you know which players he asked for? Who didn’t he get?

It was Ole himself that couldn’t convince Haaland that United was currently a better option than Dortmund and time has proven Haaland correct, the Dortmund move was perfect for him at this stage in his career.

So if this boils down to Sancho, I’m gonna argue you’re off your tits if you think 100m+ for him would have been anything other than a stupid move of desperation, a Barca-esque move.

I think it was pretty well reported by those in the know that he wanted Grealish, Haaland, and Sancho as first-choice options. I'm not saying he didn't want who he's got now but they're not in the same bracket we can agree and they weren't the first choice.

We don't know all the details and I feel like we've talked them to death surrounding those transfers, or lack of so I won't go into it again. But we could have done more to land one of those players last summer (or January), even if that meant selling Pogba or anyone else who doesn't really want to be here. Hopefully, we do manage to sign one of those next summer, I'd love to see Haaland or Grealish in a United shirt next year.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

But the likes of Shaw, Lindelof, McTomminay, Martial, Would they be regular starters for City, Pool, Spurs or Chelsea? I doubt that

Diet starts every week for Spurs. Bergwijn is a regular starter.

Zouma for Chelsea, and Abraham is their main forward for fecks sake.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I think it was pretty well reported by those in the know that he wanted Grealish, Haaland, and Sancho as first-choice options. I'm not saying he didn't want who he's got now but they're not in the same bracket we can agree and they weren't the first choice.

We don't know all the details and I feel like we've talked them to death surrounding those transfers, or lack of so I won't go into it again. But we could have done more to land one of those players last summer (or January), even if that meant selling Pogba or anyone else who doesn't really want to be here. Hopefully, we do manage to sign one of those next summer, I'd love to see Haaland or Grealish in a United shirt next year.

The club sent Ole on a private plane to try and convince the Norwegian to join us yet somehow they didn’t support him in it? That makes no fecking sense whatsoever.

Haaland made a superb decision for his career clearly, it was neither Ole’s nor the clubs fault. But the club did clearly support Ole in his attempt.

Grealish... meh. Our dutch man has proven a shit tonne more and was a much wiser move, fairly certain Ole green lighted him over Grealish due to the disparity in price.

Grealish and Sancho alone were gonna cost 200m quid and would they have made us a better side than Cavani, Telles, DvB who cost a combined 54m euros... not for me.

Supporting a manager isn’t being stupid cnuts and overpaying for any name, it’s working together for plans and multiple targets and finding the best solutions.

 

[crossy1686]

The club sent Ole on a private plane to try and convince the Norwegian to join us yet somehow they didn’t support him in it? That makes no fecking sense whatsoever.

Haaland made a superb decision for his career clearly, it was neither Ole’s nor the clubs fault. But the club did clearly support Ole in his attempt.

Grealish... meh. Our dutch man has proven a shit tonne more and was a much wiser move, fairly certain Ole green lighted him over Grealish due to the disparity in price.

Haaland: "I want more money please".
Woodward: "But we sent Solskajer out on a private plane to see you..."

I'm saying we could have done more to ensure one of those transfers got done. They were all available at one time and we could have sold players to fund it.

Grealish is one of the best players in the PL. It doesn't have to be VDB or Grealish.

 

[RashyForPM]

I’ve never been this conflicted over whether I wanted a manager in or out since I began supporting United. Fergie was obviously in all the way, Mourinho too, and Moyes and LvG I wanted out. With Ole, the good points are the sudden periods of straight wins and good football, comprehensive defeats of the top sides and managers across Europe and England and the fact that the players like and are playing for him, an invaluable trait. However, there are also the periods of tumescent football, defeats against worse teams like Palace and Basaksehir and the general feeling that he’ll never find the consistency to win us the big titles.

At the moment, I’m on the fence, probably leaning towards in as he has at least, as proven by yesterday’s comeback, built a team of likeable lads with the balls to fight against all the odds, even if their skill levels aren’t on the same level as City, Liverpool, Bayern, PSG etc etc. Hopefully this run of straight wins can continue for a prolonged period of time.

To finish though, I’m just going to say that he is a far superior manager to Arteta. Even though they beat us (Pogba’s fault that was, what could Ole have done), just compare the results and performances of both teams since Arteta took over.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Haaland: "I want more money please".
Woodward: "But we sent Solskajer out on a private plane to see you..."

feck me that’s just stupid.
If you can’t see what a great move Dortmund was and how it opens us a entire continent of options and insane money in 2 years, you’ve got your head buried firmly in the sand.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Grealish is one of the best players in the PL. It doesn't have to be VDB or Grealish.

Yes it does when you already have Bruno as a AM.

 

[lysglimt]

De Gea has been in decline for years and imo most of our fans dont see the wood for the trees with him.

His kicking and dealing with high balls has always been suspect/poor, but we accepted that because he was hands down the best shot stopper in the world. Its been a while since he was that and honestly he hes not really been top of the pile since 17/18 when he admittedly was insane and must have single handedly won us about 12 points.

Schmeichel in 2 games last season gave away almost as many goals as DDG did the entire season - but its easier to remember DDG's big mistakes because he is compared to how insane he was a few seasons earlier. And even if we remove DDG, I would still take Henderson over Schmeichel

And besides - this stat really doesn't say all that much. Nick Pope and Patricio are not worse goalkeepers than Guaita and Fabianski

 

[theklr]

I generally think that many people underestimate what a good job Ole has done with the players mentally (which he is always been good at mind) after getting hammered by Spurs, losing against a mid table CP, losing against an even worse team in Istanbul.

Yes - you could argue they werent right mentally to lose those games, but the lack of preseason really did us in.

As we saw last year he steadied the ship, grinded out results, and then today the team showed real character and perseverance when fighting back a 2-0 score halfway.

Yes you can argue Cavani did most of that but it never seemed like any of the players lost faith, which is one of the biggest factors in football, just look to Fergie.

You can argue tactics all day long but if he can keep the players belief like that it is a very good trait.

 

[Bilbo]

I get that some people say that Ole is living off individual player brilliance

This has long been one of the most, if not the most, ridiculous criticisms invested by the cafe

 

[OleBoiii]

I generally think that many people underestimate what a good job Ole has done with the players mentally (which he is always been good at mind) after getting hammered by Spurs, losing against a mid table CP, losing against an even worse team in Istanbul.

For seemingly everyone who works with football it was blatantly obvious that we were at a physical disadvantage for the first couple of games since we didn't have a preseason. Most teams that played European football this summer clearly struggled more than usual when their respective seasons started. Some Ole out-posters choose to view the first two losses as games we'd lose regardless of context, because it suits their agenda.

Legendary Norwegian coach Nils Arne Eggen said(roughly translated): "Confidence comes from good experiences". After catching both Chelsea and Leicester last season our players already knew that they can do better than this(losing to CP and Spurs). And for the players, the fatigue thing is very obvious. They know the importance of a preseason. They know how brutal the first couple of weeks are in a regular season. This brutality was only compounded by the lack of preseason.

So all in all I'm not surprised that we "bounced back". In fact, I'd say that we were never out of it. If you exclude the first 2-3 games(i.e the period of visible fatigue) our stats are just as good now as they were in the last season from Bruno's arrival and until the end.

BUT! Ole definitely deserves credit for making the team mentally stronger. Our comebacks and our wins versus big opponents are both clear signs of great mentality. Arguably the two greatest signs. If we keep going at the Bruno era pace(beginning of February and up until now), then we are likely to end up with around 80 points(+/- 2 points). That is generally enough to be considered a title challenge. The crucial part is whether or not we can avoid unnecessary draws and losses to weaker teams. We need to score from our chances, basically. Cavani has given us some extra hope in this respect.

 

[Bobcat]

Diet starts every week for Spurs. Bergwijn is a regular starter.

Zouma for Chelsea, and Abraham is their main forward for fecks sake.

Dier is decent and Bergwijn is a typical Jose player. Limited, but hard working

Zouma is imo as good as Lindelof if not better and is Abraham really that much worse than our options? Last year he got touted as the next big thing a lot, and even though i dont buy all the hype about him hes still a decent player. 15 league goals last season. Besides, they added Werner to their attack this year who is undeniable quality

 

[crossy1686]

feck me that’s just stupid.
If you can’t see what a great move Dortmund was and how it opens us a entire continent of options and insane money in 2 years, you’ve got your head buried firmly in the sand.

So if Haaland could have got that deal when he left Salzburg do you think he joins Dortmund just to get the same deal in 2 to 3 years time anyway?

Haaland is coming to the PL after Dortmund anyway, he's already working on his brand for an English speaking market. He's changed his name and everything.

 

[crossy1686]

Yes it does when you already have Bruno as a AM.

What happens when Bruno doesn't play? Where do our goals and assists come from?

 

[OleBoiii]

This has long been one of the most, if not the most, ridiculous criticisms invested by the cafe

It's actually shockingly stupid.

 

[NJM78]

Glad to see the majority who voted out have not flipped back to in after 4 wins.

 

[Striker10]

People hiding behind the idea they want him gone because he can't or won't win us trophies....are the same kind of people that if we bought someone else in and they did, those posters would want to take some of the credit and say see! We told you so. The amount of ego on these forums is funny. Some people act as if we've a board that spend the cash no problem. They bought into a model of success and can't quite recapture it because it wasn't theirs to begin with and they can't quite back Jose or Ole in the market so let the manager take the heat.

Now maybe Ole won't win any trophies. Who knows. You need luck to see that far ahead in such a crazy world but in 99 I doubt anyone would have said Ole would score the winner in the Champions League final. And I would say in 96, very few players would reject first team football to fight for their place. Don't be so arrogant in your assertions that Ole can't win anything. Even Sir Alex took years to win the league at United but it's harder now. The quality of the leagues risen. Other teams have money. It's difficult to get deals done. But yesterday was an example to people because we watch games and question everything.

We forget the knocks players get. We moan after 45 minutes and yet rejoice at 95 minutes. There were times over the last 7 years when a shot on target felt like coming up from under water. There were moments when if we conceded, the game was already lost. Yesterday was a witness to the improvements we're making but some people are out of their tiny mind. We are not quite where we want to be but you have to build up the belief. That can be helped by competent owners but it can also be done by results like yesterday which boost the belief and determination to go the whole game. You moan but Oles doing a far better job then you ever could.

 

[Eriku]

So if Haaland could have got that deal when he left Salzburg do you think he joins Dortmund just to get the same deal in 2 to 3 years time anyway?

Haaland is coming to the PL after Dortmund anyway, he's already working on his brand for an English speaking market. He's changed his name and everything.

I think Haaland is more concerned with the right team for his development, not his paycheck.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Only Liverpool have taken more pts since Bruno joined. And even that narrowed over weekend. Still not good enough for our fans though. Pathetic.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

So if Haaland could have got that deal when he left Salzburg do you think he joins Dortmund just to get the same deal in 2 to 3 years time anyway?

Haaland will get 300k /week when he leaves Dortmund at this rate, maybe more. And a ridiculous signing on fee of 20m+ due to how “cheap” he will be.
You think United or any club buy a guy from Austria who has played a handfull of games and give him a 300/week + 5 year contract?
Think McFly @crossy1686

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

What happens when Bruno doesn't play? Where do our goals and assists come from?

The idea is that they come from DvB or Pogba
in Bruno’s role.
We have 3 of the top attacking midfielders in Europe in our squad, adding another for 80m would’ve been a stupid move.

 

[OleBoiii]

Only Liverpool have taken more pts since Bruno joined. And even that narrowed over weekend. Still not good enough for our fans though. Pathetic.

As we all know, United managers post Fergie are not allowed to have good players. Especially Ole, because of reasons. He must win major trophies with Lingard and Pereira or gtfo!

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Werner to their attack this year who is undeniable quality

Werner is undeniable quality yet DvB is top 8 quality.

Can you not see what you are doing Bob?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

As we all know, United managers post Fergie are not allowed to have good players. Especially Ole, because of reasons. He must win major trophies with Lingard and Pereira or gtfo!

That’s one strange post.

People expected a better start to this season because the manager has better players. Hopefully now we’re seeing some form that can be sustained from this quality group of players.

 

[OleBoiii]

That’s one strange post.

It's not, though. The Ole out crowd fall consists of 3 main camps:

1. Ole has done well since Bruno arrived but it doesn't matter
Translation: he ought to have done better with a subpar team that features Lingard and Pereira as our creators.

2. Ole did well when Bruno arrived, but is not doing well this season
Translation: let's completely ignore the lack of preseason. Let's also ignore that we have been doing just as well as we did last season after since the Tottenham game.

3. Ole is actually doing well, but there is something else that bothers me
Translation: my football manager background has allowed me to analyze our football to the point that I feel confident that we will drop off or fail to take the next step in the future.

 

[Volumiza]

People hiding behind the idea they want him gone because he can't or won't win us trophies....are the same kind of people that if we bought someone else in and they did, those posters would want to take some of the credit and say see! We told you so. The amount of ego on these forums is funny. Some people act as if we've a board that spend the cash no problem. They bought into a model of success and can't quite recapture it because it wasn't theirs to begin with and they can't quite back Jose or Ole in the market so let the manager take the heat.

Now maybe Ole won't win any trophies. Who knows. You need luck to see that far ahead in such a crazy world but in 99 I doubt anyone would have said Ole would score the winner in the Champions League final. And I would say in 96, very few players would reject first team football to fight for their place. Don't be so arrogant in your assertions that Ole can't win anything. Even Sir Alex took years to win the league at United but it's harder now. The quality of the leagues risen. Other teams have money. It's difficult to get deals done. But yesterday was an example to people because we watch games and question everything.

We forget the knocks players get. We moan after 45 minutes and yet rejoice at 95 minutes. There were times over the last 7 years when a shot on target felt like coming up from under water. There were moments when if we conceded, the game was already lost. Yesterday was a witness to the improvements we're making but some people are out of their tiny mind. We are not quite where we want to be but you have to build up the belief. That can be helped by competent owners but it can also be done by results like yesterday which boost the belief and determination to go the whole game. You moan but Oles doing a far better job then you ever could.

There is also a category in the middle. Neither 100% Ole in or 100% Ole out.

Although my vote is Ole out, I understand also that there aren't any 100% ideal, gamble free candidates out there and I have flip flopped constantly over the last 6 months. My default position is out but that doesn't accurately describe my view and I'm sure a lot of others. I don't just want him out regardless. but nor does he get a free pass regardless just because of who he is and the good things he has done while being in charge. Our current state cannot be our limit, we will need to see more from him.

Ole took on a fecking massive project here, no one should doubt that. We've seen managers with huge reputations get swallowed up and spat out since SAF left. So while I genuinely still think Ole will struggle to become what we all see as a top, top manager (The Pep's, Klopp's, Joses' etc) nor will I ignore what an excellent job he's done in terms of squad composition and nor will I hope he can't prove me wrong. My continuing issue is this fine line between him doing enough to win games, some good performances and us being inconsistent. At some point, the inconsistency has to come to an end. He has to be able to get over that step and get us performing as well as we have seen we can on a more regular basis.

I'd still love to see him succeed, his effect on the squad and the quality of the team he has built is not lost on me but now I want to see him getting the very best out of that squad, that is his responsibility. I want to see improvement in the consistency of Rashford and Martial's performances, Ole has to have some say on that. I want to see him stick to his guns regarding Pogba and not revert to letting him near the team unless he is going to contribute. So although technically I think we can probably do better than Ole, as long as he keeps taking these steps forward I am happy to let him carry on.

It's just not as black or white as some on here make out. Some just seem to want him out regardless and others seem unable to see his current weaknesses and flaws.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

It's not, though. The Ole out crowd fall consists of 3 main camps:

1. Ole has done well since Bruno arrived but it doesn't matter
Translation: he ought to have done better with a subpar team that features Lingard and Pereira as our creators.

2. Ole did well when Bruno arrived, but is not doing well this season
Translation: let's completely ignore the lack of preseason. Let's also ignore that we have been doing just as well as we did last season after since the Tottenham game.

3. Ole is actually doing well, but there is something else that bothers me
Translation: my football manager background has allowed me to analyze our football to the point that I feel confident that we will drop off or fail to take the next step in the future.

Translation: strawman always wins.

For 1. my default position (and for many others) was that Lingard and Andreas needed to be nowhere near that team. Fred, McTom & Matic meant Pogba should have been playing there more often than not. He had better options but chose not to use them and to place his trust in the academy lads. Hell there were games with Fred and Matic on the bench where he opted to play Andreas in DM for fecks sake.

Ole missed a trick there in my eyes, but eventually he got Matic back in (in December) and our results started turning even before Bruno.

He learnt his lesson though, so fair play to him.

2. Plenty of teams had no pre-season and did better. It doesn’t excuse the start, but hopefully it was significant enough and that we’re past it now.

3. That’s just you being silly now.

 

[Gasolin]

There is also a category in the middle. Neither 100% Ole in or 100% Ole out.

Although my vote is Ole out, I understand also that there aren't any 100% ideal, gamble free candidates out there and I have flip flopped constantly over the last 6 months. My default position is out but that doesn't accurately describe my view and I'm sure a lot of others. I don't just want him out regardless. but nor does he get a free pass regardless just because of who he is and the good things he has done while being in charge. Our current state cannot be our limit, we will need to see more from him.

Ole took on a fecking massive project here, no one should doubt that. We've seen managers with huge reputations get swallowed up and spat out since SAF left. So while I genuinely still think Ole will struggle to become what we all see as a top, top manager (The Pep's, Klopp's, Joses' etc) nor will I ignore what an excellent job he's done in terms of squad composition and nor will I hope he can prove me wrong. My continuing issue is this fine line between him doing enough to win games, some good performances and us being inconsistent. At some point, the inconsistency has to come to an end. He has to be able to get over that step and get us performing as well as we have seen we can on a more regular basis.

I'd still love to see him succeed, his effect on the squad and the quality of the team he has built is not lost on me but now I want to see him getting the very best out of that squad, that is his responsibility. I want to see improvement in the consistency of Rashford and Martial's performances, Ole has to have some say on that. I want to see him stick to his guns regarding Pogba and not revert to letting him near the team unless he is going to contribute. So although technically I think we can probably do better than Ole, as long as he keeps taking these steps forward I am happy to let him carry on.

It's just not as black or white as some on here make out. Some just seem to want him out regardless and others seem unable to see his current weaknesses and flaws.

But we have already shown that since he's in charge:
1/ We are 3rd in points per game and total points over 68/69 games or 2.5 season. Something like 1.79 pts to compare to Liverpool at 2.49 and City at 2.20, or Chelsea at 1.74 and Spurs at 1.62.
2/ Since Feb 2020, we are now second, at 2.05 over 22/23 games, without counting Southampton win. To compare to Liverpool at 2.13, City and Chelsea at 1.91 and Spurs at 1.96.

So we are getting consistent, no?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

That’s one strange post.

People expected a better start to this season because the manager has better players. Hopefully now we’re seeing some form that can be sustained from this quality group of players.

The Ole‘s doubt group like to jump into conclusion without thinking what was the reason we had slow start, we weren’t the only one had slow start in European top league competition. Season wasn’t even 10 league games and people already doubt in him. Were people even watching us last season when we turned things around under Ole? Not only that, our form became like title challenger since February and Ole‘s doubt group ignored that fact.

Our squad is still below Liverpool but we can go toe to toe with Spurs & Chelsea. They are above us right now means jack shit, Leicester was 2nd and almost 20 points off us in November and they finished below us end of the season.

 

[Volumiza]

But we have already shown that since he's in charge:
1/ We are 3rd in points per game and total points over 68/69 games or 2.5 season. Something like 1.79 pts to compare to Liverpool at 2.49 and City at 2.20, or Chelsea at 1.74 and Spurs at 1.62.
2/ Since Feb 2020, we are now second, at 2.05 over 22/23 games, without counting Southampton win. To compare to Liverpool at 2.13, City and Chelsea at 1.91 and Spurs at 1.96.

So we are getting consistent, no?

Well let's hope so eh? If Ole can do this, then surely it benefits everyone, even the most ardent Ole out-ters doesn't it? It's all he needs to do.

 

[OleBoiii]

Translation: strawman always wins

These are the only 3 arguments I've seen for being Ole out. Even the Ole outers can't fault our results since Bruno's arrival, so they typically go for one or more of the 3:

1. The football pre Bruno
2. The first 3 PL games this season
3. Something else(which rarely makes sense, but this is the rarest argument anyways).

If you belong to the first one, then you're basically saying that the job of a United manager means doing well with subpar teams. I personally find that to be a poor argument. It becomes hilarious when people claim that Bruno has saved Ole.

If you belong to the second one, then you severely underestimate the importance of fitness.

If you belong to the third one, then I'm curious to read what you have to say. The 'consistency argument' got debunked many pages ago. The "Bruno bounce" argument is lost as well, since it's been 38 games now.

 

[Lentwood]

I don’t see how nearly half of this forum want Ole gone. So short-sighted.

We’re now in a position whereby we are a CF and possibly an AMR/F away from being and absolutely world class side.

Remember when Jose left? We were 7th I believe at the time and regularly fielding the likes of Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Sanchez, Ashley Young, Lingard etc...

For our squad to be in the shape its in now in comparison should mean Ole gets at least this entire season - when you factor in that we achieved our 2nd best post-SAF finish in a transitional season last year should mean this conversation is over for now